I understand that the C6 guys have been strung along for a very long time. But at the time it just wasn't justified.
Trust me, I have spent dozens of hours on the phone with both Ken and Jim argueing that it is a viable project.
Now FINALLY that the financial numbers are in, and the market justifies the COMPLETE redesign of a manifold, KB has agreed to fund the project.
Your talking about 100's of thousands of dollars to make new castings, perform R&D, write a 300+ page manual, design a custom hood for mass production, Tool up for multiple units, all in the hopes to make a ROI.
On behalf of the CF I have hit those guys with everything i've got. I promised that if they came out with a kit that was worthy, the C6 guys would be all over it like stink on sh!t..
Dont give up now...
The check signer has FINALLY signed the check.
Now just sit back and watch what KB does best. Thats build the BADDEST twin screw blowers in the world. Theres a reson why they dont make a kit for everything on 4 wheels..
One of these days, if your ever talking to Jim, ask him if he'll do a kit for a Jag. (Inside joke)
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Not the first time we hear this, but lets wait and see I guess.
1) Maggies whine just as loud under heavy boost. In most cases, you can not tell the difference.
2) Although the Maggie is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper to manufacturer, the KB is actually cheaper on the retail side. So the customer is the one keeping the money in their pocket, not the manufacturer.
Case in point. In order to upgrade from a MP112 to and MP122, it a little over 3000 bucks. (Thats going from a 1.8L to a 2.1'ish L)
Upgrading your 2.6L KB to a 2.8H KB is less than 500 bucks..
The difference??? 2500 bucks in your pocket, and about 500 more rwhp.
Not a very difficult decision to me..
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Magnachargers are Roots type blowers. Kenne Bell utilizes Twin Screw blowers. Twin screw blowers compress the air internally. The *practical* difference is that their thermodynamic effciency is MUCH higher (some of the highest of any compressor), meaning a lot more boost with much less heating of the intake charge.
Unfortunately the complex machining required to produce these special rotor lobes means twin screw units also cost a lot more than their simpler roots counterparts.
Also the internal compression of the air charge creates a small "pop" with each 1/3rd rotor turn. These pops add up into a distinct, very noticeable "blower whine" that can be heard on twin screw cars.
HAHA, no that wasnt a stock motor by any stretch of the imagination.. It was a forged 402 LS2 @ 9.5:1cr, 16psi, 91 octace California gas, and a single nozzle methanol system (for fuel help)
On a stock LS2 with your standard F/I supporting components, you can expect right around 600rwhp. This is with no tuning tricks, just someone who knows what their doing.
On the LS3, my guess is in the mid 650-660rwhp range.
LS7's.......Who the hell knows..
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Whoa! Those numbers are ungodly! Hard to believe that is from a stock LS2, there's gotta be some sort of mods to allow this massive breathing...exhaust, intake, valve lift (not necessarily a cam, but rockers), etc., right? Sheesh, I've been saving for the Maggie!
Hopefully the KB customer service will get better---i highly doubt it!!!!----and this is from a GN and 03 cobra customer who has called them several times on both cars
Pitiful.
I'm thinking the KB tq might be a bit much for the A6 cars I know eventually we will have upgraded tranny options from companies such as RPM Trans but how do you guys think the A6 and Twin screw would work as a combo?
Including the hood, retail should be somewhere around 7600.00 (In polished version) 7,000 for black (This includes injectors, I/C, BAP, Hood, etc..)
This is assuming the production costs and runs are in line wth the C5.
DO NOT quote me on pricing. I am mearly comparing this to the C5 version.
If you have the blower, hood, all hardware and around 600 rwhp without doing extensive internal engine work for less than 8000$ then you have another customer!
Whoa! Those numbers are ungodly! Hard to believe that is from a stock LS2, there's gotta be some sort of mods to allow this massive breathing...exhaust, intake, valve lift (not necessarily a cam, but rockers), etc., right? Sheesh, I've been saving for the Maggie!
700+tq @ 2,000rpm? I see a rise in tire stock...
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2005 Mag Red,A4,3.15's,F55,AFR 225's,GT-11,VARARAM, Ported F.A.S.T.,LG Lontubes,NPP(with NPP in a box), 2400stall tq conv. HP Tuners, ZO6 sways, Baer rotors, ZO6 widebody with ZO6 Chromies,275/345 PS2's 435rwhp/420tq - Still not enough
They are currently waiting for CARB to call them back to find out if they need an A6 or Manual for testing..
As of right now, the kit is in full swing..
We now have 2 donor cars that will most likely be getting a blower very soon (Thanks CF memebers)
I will update as soon as I find out what CARB says. We will be using the 08 for the CARB testing. This will give us the exemption for ALL corvettes from 1997-2008.
HPT just released their newest version which KB has.
There is over 400 parameters for the A6.
There should be no issues at all with the tranny. They have already been pushed in excess of 550rwhp without issue.
With the new software, it wont be an issue..But I am confident, that PRM will have everything taken care of for you A6 guys.
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I'm thinking the KB tq might be a bit much for the A6 cars I know eventually we will have upgraded tranny options from companies such as RPM Trans but how do you guys think the A6 and Twin screw would work as a combo?
I know eventually we will have upgraded tranny options from companies such as RPM Trans but how do you guys think the A6 and Twin screw would work as a combo?
700+tq @ 2,000rpm? I see a rise in tire stock...
