Why Use Super Chargers??
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Why Use Super Chargers??
Anybody can slap a super charger on their car..and and any auto manufacturer can do the same. But to make a powerful fuel efficient engine, thats street friendly takes ENGINEERING. I think NA big displacement is the best way to go..old school!
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Exactly, screw technology. We should also forget about advances in gearboxes like CVTs, DSGs, etc. because old school shifting is more important than performance.
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I'm not overly concerned with fuel efficiency in my Corvette but I agree....I prefer a fully built, naturally aspirated motor rather than putting a SC on a stock, cast-piston engine.
That said a lot of people use FI without issue (unless they get too greedy). I definitely think nitrous should be limited to drag racers at the drag strip (I have a low opinion of nitrous on street cars). You don't have to watch too many episodes of Pinks to see some rather nicely built cars being torn to shreds. I've seen it myself with a couple guys I know....professionally installed systems too.
That said a lot of people use FI without issue (unless they get too greedy). I definitely think nitrous should be limited to drag racers at the drag strip (I have a low opinion of nitrous on street cars). You don't have to watch too many episodes of Pinks to see some rather nicely built cars being torn to shreds. I've seen it myself with a couple guys I know....professionally installed systems too.
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I've only ever seen hacked together junkers that they don't mind losing.
Back to the topic, why not use a supercharger? If done correctly, it can be lighter and more tightly packaged than a bigger NA motor. If you want to add more power to your existing car, then it's a LOT cheaper to add a S/C than it is to pull your entire motor and replace it with a bigger one.
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St. Jude Donor '08
Without being offensive the idea that Superchargers or Turbos are not a good way to go is crap ... Some of the fastest most expensive supercars use some form or another of FI . The Bugatti Veyron is the prime example . I agree to get to 500 to 600 HP NA is prefferable ( albeit more expensive ) - But has anyone seen a 700 or 800 HP natrually aspirated motor that you would want to cruise in or drive on a day to day basis ?? ( I didnt say could , I said want ) - Me personaly , I drive my car everday and need it to transport clients , and carry out conversations on the phone . My car with just the bolt on Procharger is whisper quiet ( a little TOO quiet ) and gets great gas milage ( avg 18-20 mpg ) in a great streetable package .
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I don't know. I guess well over 500rwhp with factory idle and fuel economy while running the a/c on the way to the grocery store is not for you.
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Would also like to add that my we returned my 06 to stock when trading in with less than a days work and reinstalled the mods on the new one in less than 5 hours. The 06 passed a GM overhaul and was sold as certified product.
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When it comes to Hp, you must consider your ultimate goal as to performance. I for one think that 500rwhp in a C6 (naturally aspirated)will more than satisfy even the most hardcore street enthusiast with moderate reliabilty. If 500rwhp on a 3200lb c6 is lack luster for some, then, Forced induction be it "turbo, supercharging, or NOS" would be the prudent approach.
With the choice in rwhp greater than 500, one must assume that other parts need to be modified in order to maintain a reliable and everyday daily driver. For example tranny and clutch assembly, rear differential, tires, and for many but not the exception, the stock bottom end or short block. These are the basics when High hp applications are in order, not for all but for the ****.
Some other basic mods and additional costs recommended but may not be required (why wouldn't you) when forced induction is the choice of power adder are as follows.
First and foremeost a great tune, then boost, fuel, exhaust temp , and most important air fuel gauges to monitor all parameters of your engine, to ensure all is well with your beloved Ls1, LS2, LS3 and the venerable LS7. So the bottom line, how much hp will satisfy you, what are your expectations in terms power and reliabilty, and finally how much are you willing to spend given your budget.
With the choice in rwhp greater than 500, one must assume that other parts need to be modified in order to maintain a reliable and everyday daily driver. For example tranny and clutch assembly, rear differential, tires, and for many but not the exception, the stock bottom end or short block. These are the basics when High hp applications are in order, not for all but for the ****.
Some other basic mods and additional costs recommended but may not be required (why wouldn't you) when forced induction is the choice of power adder are as follows.
First and foremeost a great tune, then boost, fuel, exhaust temp , and most important air fuel gauges to monitor all parameters of your engine, to ensure all is well with your beloved Ls1, LS2, LS3 and the venerable LS7. So the bottom line, how much hp will satisfy you, what are your expectations in terms power and reliabilty, and finally how much are you willing to spend given your budget.
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I just think its a cheat... but thats me. I think engines like the LS3 and LS7 are cool because they are getting back up there in power via displacement. Remember boys, "There is no replacement for displacement"
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If you bring a knife to a gunfight it's not cheating when the other person brings a gun.
I am not a big fan of Nitrous, but that's only because I don't like the drawbacks associated with it. Supercharger and Turbo's are AOK with me. :thumbup:
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When it comes to Hp, you must consider your ultimate goal as to performance. I for one think that 500rwhp in a C6 (naturally aspirated)will more than satisfy even the most hardcore street enthusiast with moderate reliabilty. If 500rwhp on a 3200lb c6 is lack luster for some, then, Forced induction be it "turbo, supercharging, or NOS" would be the prudent approach.
With the choice in rwhp greater than 500, one must assume that other parts need to be modified in order to maintain a reliable and everyday daily driver. For example tranny and clutch assembly, rear differential, tires, and for many but not the exception, the stock bottom end or short block. These are the basics when High hp applications are in order, not for all but for the ****.
Some other basic mods and additional costs recommended but may not be required (why wouldn't you) when forced induction is the choice of power adder are as follows.
First and foremeost a great tune, then boost, fuel, exhaust temp , and most important air fuel gauges to monitor all parameters of your engine, to ensure all is well with your beloved Ls1, LS2, LS3 and the venerable LS7. So the bottom line, how much hp will satisfy you, what are your expectations in terms power and reliabilty, and finally how much are you willing to spend given your budget.
With the choice in rwhp greater than 500, one must assume that other parts need to be modified in order to maintain a reliable and everyday daily driver. For example tranny and clutch assembly, rear differential, tires, and for many but not the exception, the stock bottom end or short block. These are the basics when High hp applications are in order, not for all but for the ****.
Some other basic mods and additional costs recommended but may not be required (why wouldn't you) when forced induction is the choice of power adder are as follows.
First and foremeost a great tune, then boost, fuel, exhaust temp , and most important air fuel gauges to monitor all parameters of your engine, to ensure all is well with your beloved Ls1, LS2, LS3 and the venerable LS7. So the bottom line, how much hp will satisfy you, what are your expectations in terms power and reliabilty, and finally how much are you willing to spend given your budget.
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Until you've owned a GOOD aftermarket supercharger, you don't understand. I started out with a new '94 Camaro with 275 horsepower, and for $5000 it ran as fast or faster than my '05 Z51 C6, and with reliability. (12.41 @ 116.58)
The key is to do it by the book, always use the best fuel, use a timing retard control in the cockpit for when you aren't running 100 octane gas, do not hit the limiter, and keep the boost level conservative. Mr. Detonation is not your friend.
And boost is not "cheating." I used to be accused of "cheating" in bike racing because I had superior equipment, and I trained harder.
The key is to do it by the book, always use the best fuel, use a timing retard control in the cockpit for when you aren't running 100 octane gas, do not hit the limiter, and keep the boost level conservative. Mr. Detonation is not your friend.
And boost is not "cheating." I used to be accused of "cheating" in bike racing because I had superior equipment, and I trained harder.
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Most new car makers are offering some sort of boosted motor on one or more models except GM. As usual, they're well behind the curve. I shopped for a blown car when I bought the vette. I have and 03 Ford Lightning with a facory blower and and I love it. At 5000 lbs and smaller ci displacement it runs with my vette. If the Ford dealers weren't greedy retards I would be driving a Shelby 500 right now. Easy to get the HP way up and very fun. Superchargers rock. If GM ever puts a SC on a V8 for less the 100K, I'll buy it.
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Ouch, this is a good argument to buy new. No offence, I would do the same thing.
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