worries about the 08's
07-24-2007, 04:29 PM
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07-24-2007, 04:42 PM
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I'm with the thread starter on this one. That's why I steered clear of OnStar on my Z.
07-24-2007, 04:50 PM
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Safety Car
I would like it if they would tie the service into the price of the car. For example, I believe the OnStar on my 07 was something like $695. Make it $1000 or so and give me a lifetime subscription to the safe and sound package. I would purchase it on every new GM product that I bought.If someone doesn't want the package, they should be able to delete it when ordering. I did not have a choice as I bought my car from stock.
07-24-2007, 04:51 PM
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Melting Slicks
As far as the paranoia over OnStar tracking you goes, gimme a break! Yes, I know it's possible. Hell, they have been doing the same thing with cell phones for a few years now. However, it takes a court order and I don't believe any reputable judge is going to sign one unless the same burden of suspicion is proved just like in the cases of judges signing search warrants. I'm sure there's an attorney or two on here who could educate us all more.
However, if you got things to hide or are selling drugs or something, I believe you can probably disable the system pretty easily.
07-24-2007, 04:55 PM
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Melting Slicks
No - someone is "dispatched" when you get in trouble. Then they investigate and then you end up with civil or criminal problems. Then they look at your past behavior and see how frequently you speed, brake hard, swerve, etc. - Then your pattern of reckless driving is used against you - Mr. Corvette driving defendant.
I'm with the thread starter on this one. That's why I steered clear of OnStar on my Z.
I'm with the thread starter on this one. That's why I steered clear of OnStar on my Z.
07-24-2007, 04:56 PM
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No - someone is "dispatched" when you get in trouble. Then they investigate and then you end up with civil or criminal problems. Then they look at your past behavior and see how frequently you speed, brake hard, swerve, etc. - Then your pattern of reckless driving is used against you - Mr. Corvette driving defendant.
I'm with the thread starter on this one. That's why I steered clear of OnStar on my Z.
I'm with the thread starter on this one. That's why I steered clear of OnStar on my Z.
07-24-2007, 05:01 PM
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It's not about language. It's about civility and respect. Reading some of the nasty posts on the Forum lately, I wonder it we are "all adults".
07-24-2007, 05:25 PM
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Onstar or no Onstar, all the cars have a black box that records data at the moment of impact when the air bags go off. None of the cars capture past history data that can determine how frequently you speed, brake hard, swerve, etc. There is no hard drive or remote storage servers at the Onstar network accumulating data as you drive. It doesn't exist.
I believe the black box does record a few seconds before impact, but agree that it does not record a history of previous driving.
07-24-2007, 07:04 PM
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07-24-2007, 07:11 PM
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EXACTLY, if they call and you are too drunk to tell them you are fine, then they should call the cops on you so you don't wake up and forget that you had a wreck and kill someone else. If you don't like onstar, that's one thing but your example is not a good one.
07-24-2007, 08:39 PM
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... Friends of mine got a call on OnStar to tell them their young son had a very serious accident. They were on the way to Maine in an area where no regular cell would work. Because of OnStar they were in fact able to get home quickly and make some very tough medical decisions. I don't have OnStar and think it should remain purely optional. I don't like certain types of intrusive technology crammed down my throat! OnStar does in fact have many legal ramifications and opportunity for mischief when lawyers get involved. Yea I know all about the black box but that’s also another step in the wrong direction IMO. There is nothing wrong with technology per say only how officials and lawyers may abuse it............
07-24-2007, 09:43 PM
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Le Mans Master
You need to be concerned about both. Whether you "activate" it or not, OnStar is always working if it powered up (i.e., actually connected inside the car). OnStar's central computers can produce a record, on demand, of your every movement and the time of day - the car is always reporting to cell phone towers, so your location can be very easily determined.The "black box" in your car is the other piece of "1984"-esque technology that will rat you out. If the cops pull it, they will see speed, g-forces, seatbelt use, airbag use, braking action, and a bunch of other stuff. It is getting used more and more frequently in legal action.
I am not overstating it when I say that these kinds of things will, eventually, turn us into a dictatorship. You might laugh, but the more we accept these kinds of things in the name of "safety" and "security," the more freedom we lose.
07-24-2007, 09:49 PM
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07-24-2007, 09:51 PM
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07-24-2007, 09:53 PM
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