Why Not A Z06
05-30-2007, 03:52 PM
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If the Z06 was a targa or vert, one would be in my garage right now....
But it isn't and never will be which is why I am modding my vert
When I am done, I will likely have more money in the vert than I would have had in a Z06 (cept, I'd likely mod that too)
But it isn't and never will be which is why I am modding my vert
When I am done, I will likely have more money in the vert than I would have had in a Z06 (cept, I'd likely mod that too)
05-30-2007, 03:56 PM
#42
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5 seconds with my plasma cutter to remove the tabs, 5 minutes with the TIG to reinstall. I don't think the Z06 bolted in targa panel adds much rigidity compared to the latched in targa of the ordinary C6 coupe. True, with either one removed there is a bit more body flex, but body and frame are isolated by rubber donuts on the Corvette. It isn't a unibody like the Camaro. So neither one does much to stiffen the chassis against suspension loads.
I don't think the Z06 bolted in targa panel adds much rigidity compared to the latched in targa of the ordinary C6 coupe. True, with either one removed there is a bit more body flex, but body and frame are isolated by rubber donuts on the Corvette. It isn't a unibody like the Camaro. So neither one does much to stiffen the chassis against suspension loads.
05-30-2007, 04:16 PM
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If I could afford a Z06 I would have one, you get a lot of technology for a little (relatively speaking) money. You can’t just strap a supercharger on Z51 and compare it to a Z06.
I wish my current car didn't have the removable top, that’s what convertibles are for.
I wish my current car didn't have the removable top, that’s what convertibles are for.
05-30-2007, 04:16 PM
#44
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You can't just take the roof off the Z and convert it to a targa without significant frame work. That's one of the biggest pieces to the work and price that one conversion company that is doing it the right way. They instrumented up a Z without the roof and found all kinds of excess chassis flex without the roof in place. So they made chassis modifications part of their package.
I think that guy who just took out his Z roof with no chassis stiffening is going to find out what aluminum fatigue means. One day that roof is not going to drop into the opening, and why won't these doors open?
The roof on a Z plays a big structural roll, take a peak at the size of those brackets and mounting bolts.
I think that guy who just took out his Z roof with no chassis stiffening is going to find out what aluminum fatigue means. One day that roof is not going to drop into the opening, and why won't these doors open?
The roof on a Z plays a big structural roll, take a peak at the size of those brackets and mounting bolts.
05-30-2007, 04:22 PM
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The Z06 is an entirely different car then a coupe or vert.
There are so many differences, it's like comparing apples to oranges.
This is not to say any of the models are better or worse, just that there are differences.
That being said, there are many who are attracted to the Z06, but that ultimately chose to coupe or vert.
There is no right or wrong choice - just the one that makes you happy.
So consider what you want, and then go for it.
There's no way you can make a bad decision.
There are so many differences, it's like comparing apples to oranges.
This is not to say any of the models are better or worse, just that there are differences.
That being said, there are many who are attracted to the Z06, but that ultimately chose to coupe or vert.
There is no right or wrong choice - just the one that makes you happy.
So consider what you want, and then go for it.
There's no way you can make a bad decision.
05-30-2007, 04:28 PM
#46
Le Mans Master
So you can't remove the top on a Z06....I'll relay a funny story. I had lunch with another CF member a couple weeks ago. He told me he saw a new Z06 at a gas station and while observing the Z06 he noticed something different....this Z06 had the roof panel removed.
In his conversation with the owner of this targa-top Z06, the guy said he paid a local shop $1,900.00 to do the work. The work was first rate but the owner of the Z06 didn't have any idea about the structural problems inherent with cutting out the roof....or the fact he probably just cut the value of his Z06 in half.
What does a Caravaggio targa-top conversion cost on a Z06....something like $20,000.00?
It just goes to show that the Corvette Forum should be required reading for every Corvette owner.
In his conversation with the owner of this targa-top Z06, the guy said he paid a local shop $1,900.00 to do the work. The work was first rate but the owner of the Z06 didn't have any idea about the structural problems inherent with cutting out the roof....or the fact he probably just cut the value of his Z06 in half.
What does a Caravaggio targa-top conversion cost on a Z06....something like $20,000.00?
It just goes to show that the Corvette Forum should be required reading for every Corvette owner.
05-30-2007, 04:31 PM
#47
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The Z06 is an entirely different car then a coupe or vert.
There are so many differences, it's like comparing apples to oranges.
This is not to say any of the models are better or worse, just that there are differences.
That being said, there are many who are attracted to the Z06, but that ultimately chose to coupe or vert.
There is no right or wrong choice - just the one that makes you happy.
So consider what you want, and then go for it.
There's no way you can make a bad decision.
There are so many differences, it's like comparing apples to oranges.
This is not to say any of the models are better or worse, just that there are differences.
That being said, there are many who are attracted to the Z06, but that ultimately chose to coupe or vert.
There is no right or wrong choice - just the one that makes you happy.
So consider what you want, and then go for it.
There's no way you can make a bad decision.
I started with a coupe, went to a vert, now a Z06. Like a woman I love them all.
05-30-2007, 04:41 PM
#49
You can't just take the roof off the Z and convert it to a targa without significant frame work. That's one of the biggest pieces to the work and price that one conversion company that is doing it the right way. They instrumented up a Z without the roof and found all kinds of excess chassis flex without the roof in place. So they made chassis modifications part of their package.
I think that guy who just took out his Z roof with no chassis stiffening is going to find out what aluminum fatigue means. One day that roof is not going to drop into the opening, and why won't these doors open?
The roof on a Z plays a big structural roll, take a peak at the size of those brackets and mounting bolts.
I think that guy who just took out his Z roof with no chassis stiffening is going to find out what aluminum fatigue means. One day that roof is not going to drop into the opening, and why won't these doors open?
The roof on a Z plays a big structural roll, take a peak at the size of those brackets and mounting bolts.
One day he won't be able to open or close the doors with the windows up. This will be a few months before he discovers that the doors don't want to open and close correctly, even with the windows down.
5 seconds with my plasma cutter to remove the tabs, 5 minutes with the TIG to reinstall. I don't think the Z06 bolted in targa panel adds much rigidity compared to the latched in targa of the ordinary C6 coupe. True, with either one removed there is a bit more body flex, but body and frame are isolated by rubber donuts on the Corvette. It isn't a unibody like the Camaro. So neither one does much to stiffen the chassis against suspension loads.
I don't think the Z06 bolted in targa panel adds much rigidity compared to the latched in targa of the ordinary C6 coupe. True, with either one removed there is a bit more body flex, but body and frame are isolated by rubber donuts on the Corvette. It isn't a unibody like the Camaro. So neither one does much to stiffen the chassis against suspension loads.
I admit, I had to laugh out loud at this post.
I can just picture this guy spending 75K on a Z06 and then going out into his garage and taking his plasma cutter and TIG welder to it, for no other reason than to try and prove a point.
If I had a Z06, I'd never even consider cutting the top out of it.
Last edited by '06 Quicksilver Z06; 05-30-2007 at 04:46 PM.
05-30-2007, 04:59 PM
#50
Race Director
05-30-2007, 05:16 PM
#51
Le Mans Master
That's not to suggest that the "body" lifts off as a single piece, of course.
05-30-2007, 05:20 PM
#52
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05-30-2007, 07:13 PM
#54
Drifting
The main deterrent for me now isn't the price of the Z06, but the horrendous trade-in I'd get for the C6. I'd be better off selling it privately. My wife offered trading in her BMW Z4 along with the C6: 2 for 1. But that just doesn't add up--not just the double depreciation factor--but especially since I know it would be a HUGE sacrifice for her: she loves verts and prefers automatics. I couldn't deny her a sports car as she wouldn't want to deny me mine. Some will slam me for this, but if the Z06 could be optioned in a vert with paddle-shift (for my wife--and hey, it‘s good enough for formula 1 cars), we would have one right now to share (go ahead, flame). For me, the Z is an awesome car as it is right now, but it would be nice to simplify by reducing our 4 cars down to 3. Regardless, we are in no rush and the C6 is a fine car. Time will tell what we do.
05-30-2007, 10:21 PM
#56
Melting Slicks
05-30-2007, 10:28 PM
#57
Melting Slicks
its more like 1.4 seconds if you look at the best ET for non-z06 (12.2) vs best ET for z06 (10.85)
but 1/4 mile is only one of the many things that z06 excels in over base car.
and its more like a $25k difference (70k-45k)
[was only 20k difference for 2006, ignoring deal markups]
".8 quicker in the quarter mile (12.5-11.7) isn't worth $40k."
but 1/4 mile is only one of the many things that z06 excels in over base car.
and its more like a $25k difference (70k-45k)
[was only 20k difference for 2006, ignoring deal markups]
".8 quicker in the quarter mile (12.5-11.7) isn't worth $40k."
05-31-2007, 11:00 AM
#58
but here in the Springs, the Zs I've seen advertised are never less than 10 over MSRP. 
05-31-2007, 11:01 AM
#59
With respect to 1/4 times, I was using Chevrolet's quoted times. Of course many will do much worse--or much better.
Last edited by Whiterock1; 05-31-2007 at 11:05 AM.
05-31-2007, 11:13 AM
#60
Le Mans Master
I got my '06 for $68.5 msrp, 2lz last June. Of course msrp has gone up, but the real price has come down as dealers are discouting. The 10 over crap is really for people that have more money than patience or live in a hotbed of auto vulchers (ie - so cal). If you want to simply give up at a dealer because the first quote is over, you don't have alot of bargaing experience...it sometimes takes several trips. My car started 10 over in week 1 and slowly came down to msrp over a 3 week period. It was worth the wait however, as I drove off the showroom floor with a z06 with 2 miles on the clock....for under 70. And this was at a point in time last year when everyone on the forum basically said that would be impossible. Wrong. 