Road force tire balancing or NOT?
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Road force tire balancing or NOT?
I'm getting ready to have my new wheels installed I had a question about tire balancing. The tire installer suggested I road force balance each wheel/tire what does that mean? The cost of each tire dismount/ remount and road force balance is $24.99 What should I do? Normal balance or road force?
Last edited by cajunspeed; 06-22-2006 at 12:04 AM.
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The guys that don't have the Road Force Balancer will say it's not necessary. But I can give you an example of the good and bad. I purchased a set of 305/45/20 for my Denali from Discount Tire which has the RFB machine. I installed the wheels/tires on vehicle and was smooth as glass, but I didn't like the serrated blackwall and wanted the tires filpped. Bad msitake. After 3 tire dealers attempts to balance with no luck, I tracked down a dealer that had the RFB machine and problem solved again. If I have a choice, I will always have it done.
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Originally Posted by cajunspeed
I'm getting ready to have my new wheels installed I had a question about tire balancing. The tire installer suggested I road force balance each wheel/tire what does that mean? The cost of each tire dismount/ remount and road force balance is $24.99 What should I do? Normal balance or road force?
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Tire and rim runout.
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Improper bead seating of tire to rim.
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Dramatically Improves Ride Quality & Customer Satisfaction
Duplicates vibration measurement and tire/wheel matching methods previously used only by vehicle manufacturers to provide that “new car ride.”
Going far beyond the traditional functions of a wheel balancer…
The GSP9700 measures radial and lateral tire forces and provides instructions for solving ride and handling problems that other balancers and wheel aligners cannot fix.
Hunter’s GSP9700 is endorsed and recommended by vehicle manufacturers and proven by thousands of repair facilities worldwide as the leader in…
Wheel Balancing
Radial Force Calculations and Eccentricity Measurement
Lateral Force Tire Pull Measurement
Benefits of the GSP9700’s Three-In-One Diagnostic Repair Capability:
Solves Vibration Problems Balancers Won’t Fix
Detects non-balance, radial force-related problems associated with:
Tire uniformity.
Tire and rim runout.
Wheel-to-balancer mounting error.
Improper bead seating of tire to rim.
Faster Troubleshooting & Repair
Quickly calculates the contributions of the rim and tire to radial vibration problems and presents the technician with easy step-by-step repair instructions.
Identifies Potential Vehicle Pull or Drift Problems
The optional StraightTrak® LFM** feature measures lateral tire force then applies that information to a set of tires, providing multiple placement choices to eliminate or minimize pull problems.
Dramatically Improves Ride Quality & Customer Satisfaction
Duplicates vibration measurement and tire/wheel matching methods previously used only by vehicle manufacturers to provide that “new car ride.”
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Sorry if I hijack this thread cajunspeed. Last Saturday I had my iForged wheels mounted on existing tires and I've noticed that ever since it was not smooth as before. As a matter of fact I've noticed a resonance of the tires, feels like it is jumping and the whole car shakes. Does that mean that it wasn't balanced properly? Would a road force balancer help get rid of my problem and get the smooth ride I had before? I appreciate if anyone can help me answer my questions.
Thanks,
Martin.
Thanks,
Martin.
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Used Road Force Balance on my 540 and WOW what a difference!
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Originally Posted by dark_phantom
Sorry if I hijack this thread cajunspeed. Last Saturday I had my iForged wheels mounted on existing tires and I've noticed that ever since it was not smooth as before. As a matter of fact I've noticed a resonance of the tires, feels like it is jumping and the whole car shakes. Does that mean that it wasn't balanced properly? Would a road force balancer help get rid of my problem and get the smooth ride I had before? I appreciate if anyone can help me answer my questions.
Thanks,
Martin.
Thanks,
Martin.
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Originally Posted by dark_phantom
Sorry if I hijack this thread cajunspeed. Last Saturday I had my iForged wheels mounted on existing tires and I've noticed that ever since it was not smooth as before. As a matter of fact I've noticed a resonance of the tires, feels like it is jumping and the whole car shakes. Does that mean that it wasn't balanced properly? Would a road force balancer help get rid of my problem and get the smooth ride I had before? I appreciate if anyone can help me answer my questions.
Thanks,
Martin.
Thanks,
Martin.
Hey dark_phantom, I am also in talks with vince to figure this out, I have sent him an email and lets see what he says. I have been told by him that I somehow damaged my wheels, when I know this was not the case.
Since you are also on the forum and have the same exact problem as me, It gives me more confidence to talk to iForged. Keep me posted and I will keep you posted. I hate to spend 3k on wheels and have to deal with this..
Anyone ever had this problem with HREs??
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Make sure you are running the hubcentric rings that iForged supplies with the wheels. I see that many people on this board are not running them. Without the rings, the wheels are not longer hubcentric they are only lug centric, which will cause vibration. The general rule of thumb.
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This is what I know for a fact:
On my car, and on 5 of my friends cars, all done at Butler Tire in Atlanta. First they balance off the car, and then they do the road force on the car. Out of the 6 cars, none of them had any additional weights added or other adjustments once the wheels were mounted and road force balanced.
Opinion:
If your place can balance them just fine on the machine, its unnecessary. I would have a regular balance and drive the car. If it vibrates, bring it back for the road force. Maybe butler tire is just so good that they can balance perfectly off the car.
On my car, and on 5 of my friends cars, all done at Butler Tire in Atlanta. First they balance off the car, and then they do the road force on the car. Out of the 6 cars, none of them had any additional weights added or other adjustments once the wheels were mounted and road force balanced.
Opinion:
If your place can balance them just fine on the machine, its unnecessary. I would have a regular balance and drive the car. If it vibrates, bring it back for the road force. Maybe butler tire is just so good that they can balance perfectly off the car.
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Originally Posted by KILR-RYD
Hey dark_phantom, I am also in talks with vince to figure this out, I have sent him an email and lets see what he says. I have been told by him that I somehow damaged my wheels, when I know this was not the case.
Since you are also on the forum and have the same exact problem as me, It gives me more confidence to talk to iForged. Keep me posted and I will keep you posted. I hate to spend 3k on wheels and have to deal with this..
Anyone ever had this problem with HREs??
Since you are also on the forum and have the same exact problem as me, It gives me more confidence to talk to iForged. Keep me posted and I will keep you posted. I hate to spend 3k on wheels and have to deal with this..
Anyone ever had this problem with HREs??
Originally Posted by corvette pilot
This is what I know for a fact:
On my car, and on 5 of my friends cars, all done at Butler Tire in Atlanta. First they balance off the car, and then they do the road force on the car. Out of the 6 cars, none of them had any additional weights added or other adjustments once the wheels were mounted and road force balanced.
Opinion:
If your place can balance them just fine on the machine, its unnecessary. I would have a regular balance and drive the car. If it vibrates, bring it back for the road force. Maybe butler tire is just so good that they can balance perfectly off the car.
On my car, and on 5 of my friends cars, all done at Butler Tire in Atlanta. First they balance off the car, and then they do the road force on the car. Out of the 6 cars, none of them had any additional weights added or other adjustments once the wheels were mounted and road force balanced.
Opinion:
If your place can balance them just fine on the machine, its unnecessary. I would have a regular balance and drive the car. If it vibrates, bring it back for the road force. Maybe butler tire is just so good that they can balance perfectly off the car.
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Dark_Phantom,
DId the tire shop install the hubrings into your wheels that iForged sends with all vetter orders? THey are little plastic rings that go into the back of the wheel.
DId the tire shop install the hubrings into your wheels that iForged sends with all vetter orders? THey are little plastic rings that go into the back of the wheel.
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Originally Posted by RWDRIFTC2
Make sure you are running the hubcentric rings that iForged supplies with the wheels. I see that many people on this board are not running them. Without the rings, the wheels are not longer hubcentric they are only lug centric, which will cause vibration. The general rule of thumb.