went to go test drive a C6 - got kicked out of the showroom!
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Originally Posted by jammadave
C6E - man, I am not trying to bash ya here, but your replies to jschindler here haven't been a whole lot less juvenile than his posts appear to be. Just a tact issue - maybe less "ownage" and more "my mistake, have I not been clear on something? I'd really like to get everything out in the open here"...
JS - man, you guys are at each other like children here. I don't care whether the guy drives a Gallardo or a Galant, but in my own experience yes, arriving while driving a nice car gets the dealership in the mindset you're a nice-car customer. C6E mentioned at first arriving in his friend's exotic, and then on a later date taking his own over to the dealership, IIRC. So that all works out as at least logical and feasible. Any speculation as to whether the guy has an exotic or not is irrelevant. Maybe nice to bring it up as a character reference, but it doesn't change the fact that people in AZ apparently agree, Midway Chevrolet is a place they don't want to do business with, based on more than one instance relayed here.
C6E, I agree the dealer GM was a jerk to you, regardless of "why" that's not good. I can also see where some would think you reneged on your word, given the "if I like it I'll buy it" statement. Then again I think it's hinky of the dealer to have pinned you down with that crap in the first place.
Oh yeah, IB4TL but really, no hard feelings on either of you - we all dig our cars (well, once I get mine I will...)
JS - man, you guys are at each other like children here. I don't care whether the guy drives a Gallardo or a Galant, but in my own experience yes, arriving while driving a nice car gets the dealership in the mindset you're a nice-car customer. C6E mentioned at first arriving in his friend's exotic, and then on a later date taking his own over to the dealership, IIRC. So that all works out as at least logical and feasible. Any speculation as to whether the guy has an exotic or not is irrelevant. Maybe nice to bring it up as a character reference, but it doesn't change the fact that people in AZ apparently agree, Midway Chevrolet is a place they don't want to do business with, based on more than one instance relayed here.
C6E, I agree the dealer GM was a jerk to you, regardless of "why" that's not good. I can also see where some would think you reneged on your word, given the "if I like it I'll buy it" statement. Then again I think it's hinky of the dealer to have pinned you down with that crap in the first place.
Oh yeah, IB4TL but really, no hard feelings on either of you - we all dig our cars (well, once I get mine I will...)
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Originally Posted by archtop
For them to do that to you is total I would never buy a car there,you have a right to test drive a car before you buy it and a right to think about it.
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Originally Posted by MEAN72
With dealer like this it is no wonder GM is loosing market share and is in BIG trouble. I wonder if a Japanese car dealer would do that to you. Although I love Corvettes, a number of years ago I bought a new 300ZX-TT instead of a Corvette for similar reasons.
There are plenty of excellent GM dealerships out there; probably as many or more than the bad ones. I wouldn't blame GM for a bad sales or service team at a local dealership. If they sell cars, they are worth keeping. The consumer ultimately controls who stays and who goes. If they don't sell cars, they go out of business. I was perhaps lucky in finding a great GM dealership in my neighborhood. Excellent salesman, and superb service staff. I will do everything I can to support them and send them more business.
GM is not in trouble because of dealers like mine. It's in trouble because, as much as I want to do more business with them, there isn't another vehicle in the entire GM stable that I would even remotely consider buying. That folks, is the real problem.
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Originally Posted by StanNH
There are plenty of excellent GM dealerships out there; probably as many or more than the bad ones. I wouldn't blame GM for a bad sales or service team at a local dealership. If they sell cars, they are worth keeping. The consumer ultimately controls who stays and who goes. If they don't sell cars, they go out of business. I was perhaps lucky in finding a great GM dealership in my neighborhood. Excellent salesman, and superb service staff. I will do everything I can to support them and send them more business.
GM is not in trouble because of dealers like mine. It's in trouble because, as much as I want to do more business with them, there isn't another vehicle in the entire GM stable that I would even remotely consider buying. That folks, is the real problem.
GM is not in trouble because of dealers like mine. It's in trouble because, as much as I want to do more business with them, there isn't another vehicle in the entire GM stable that I would even remotely consider buying. That folks, is the real problem.
I think there is an 80-20 rule for Chevy dealerships. 80% of them are good while 20% of them are horrible. Unfortunately, that 20% does 80% of the sales, and is where the majority of the population gets their impression of Chevy dealerships.
I think that the quality of dealerships *does* impact Chevy's reputation and its ability to sell cars. Certainly they could be making more desirable cars, but I think that the bad taste these dealers leave in a lot of potential buyer's mouths reflects poorly on Chevrolet in general.
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Originally Posted by shopdog
It has been my experience that it is easier to find a good Chevy dealer in a small town than it is to find one around the large metroplexes. Go to a dealer with a 2 car showroom and a 4 bay service area and you're a lot more likely to be treated well than if you go to a "Bill Heard" type big chain store. Downside is that the small dealers get few to no Corvette allocations from the General.
I think there is an 80-20 rule for Chevy dealerships. 80% of them are good while 20% of them are horrible. Unfortunately, that 20% does 80% of the sales, and is where the majority of the population gets their impression of Chevy dealerships.
I think that the quality of dealerships *does* impact Chevy's reputation and its ability to sell cars. Certainly they could be making more desirable cars, but I think that the bad taste these dealers leave in a lot of potential buyer's mouths reflects poorly on Chevrolet in general.
I think there is an 80-20 rule for Chevy dealerships. 80% of them are good while 20% of them are horrible. Unfortunately, that 20% does 80% of the sales, and is where the majority of the population gets their impression of Chevy dealerships.
I think that the quality of dealerships *does* impact Chevy's reputation and its ability to sell cars. Certainly they could be making more desirable cars, but I think that the bad taste these dealers leave in a lot of potential buyer's mouths reflects poorly on Chevrolet in general.
Well said
A dealer with a friendly sales staff and a skilled and committed Service Department with true Corvette specialist in a small town?
Bill Shultz in Fort Pierce (Florida)
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Originally Posted by shopdog
I think that the quality of dealerships *does* impact Chevy's reputation and its ability to sell cars. Certainly they could be making more desirable cars, but I think that the bad taste these dealers leave in a lot of potential buyer's mouths reflects poorly on Chevrolet in general.
A good, courteous salesman backed by a well trained service team will do well, assuming he can offer competitive pricing on his line. GM would undoubtedly sell more cars if they could somehow establish minimum sales and service standards for their dealerships. Still, the lack of any real excitement over any GM product, excluding the Corvette, has to be taking its toll. Most of the line lacks identity...the cars all seem to be the same with some sheet metal variations. The engines, although durable, are for the most part lackluster performers. Styling tends to be very conservative and middle of the road....design by committee. Handling is average, at best. Now, if you add that bad dealer to an already mediocre line of cars, you have the recipe for a major disaster.
An exceptional and desirable car will sell in even a poor dealership. A mediocre car will not. So, I'm back to where I started. I have a good GM dealer and GM doesn't have anything to sell me other than the outstanding Corvette.
BTW...no offense to those who own other GM vehicles. My opinions are just that...opinions. These are based on what I need in a vehicle and may not agree with what anyone else may or may not need. (This is my politically correct disclaimer).
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Originally Posted by C6 Enthusiast
Ok, since you obviously can't put even basic facts together, let me S P E L L it out for you.
I originally was going to buy a sports car for around $175k, which was either the Ford GT or the Gallardo, along with some other vehicles I was considering, around the end of last year.
Note the photo of the Gallardo - it has a date of November, 2004 on it. That's when I was playing with said budget of around $175k.
Then early this year I found a heck of a deal on a used exotic for around $100k.
This left me around $75k available to use on other toys or not to use.
Therefore I have decided to use it on the C6 or Z06 (as a daily driver to replace my current DD), and I didn't know exactly how much the Z06 was going to cost last weekend when I went to test drive it.
I like your persistence, but you're really just highlighting what slow **** you are.
Owned, yet again.
I'm getting really tired of educating you every time. It's been fun owning you over and over again.
But I do get tired of beating on a victim. It's just no fun when the other person does not have the mental capacity to grasp some basic facts. It's like playing poker with a blind, one armed cowboy who thinks that 6 cards is better than 5.
Please, go spend time with your family. I'm sure they're feeling neglected, since you're dying to expose me and make me look bad.
At least some out there loves you. Let's hope any way!
I originally was going to buy a sports car for around $175k, which was either the Ford GT or the Gallardo, along with some other vehicles I was considering, around the end of last year.
Note the photo of the Gallardo - it has a date of November, 2004 on it. That's when I was playing with said budget of around $175k.
Then early this year I found a heck of a deal on a used exotic for around $100k.
This left me around $75k available to use on other toys or not to use.
Therefore I have decided to use it on the C6 or Z06 (as a daily driver to replace my current DD), and I didn't know exactly how much the Z06 was going to cost last weekend when I went to test drive it.
I like your persistence, but you're really just highlighting what slow **** you are.
Owned, yet again.
I'm getting really tired of educating you every time. It's been fun owning you over and over again.
But I do get tired of beating on a victim. It's just no fun when the other person does not have the mental capacity to grasp some basic facts. It's like playing poker with a blind, one armed cowboy who thinks that 6 cards is better than 5.
Please, go spend time with your family. I'm sure they're feeling neglected, since you're dying to expose me and make me look bad.
At least some out there loves you. Let's hope any way!
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This thread has gotten sooooo ridiculous. With so many threads being closed because they're off topic or "going nowhere", why is this one still open?
The point, if there was one, was made a long time ago...yes, some dealers are jerks. That's wonderful information and I'm sure I'll save it for future reference. Now, all we're getting is a pissing contest where everyone is calling everyone else names and throwing around accusations that may, or may not, be true. Regardless, none of this is relevant to the C6 or Corvettes in general.
Let's put this one to bed.
The point, if there was one, was made a long time ago...yes, some dealers are jerks. That's wonderful information and I'm sure I'll save it for future reference. Now, all we're getting is a pissing contest where everyone is calling everyone else names and throwing around accusations that may, or may not, be true. Regardless, none of this is relevant to the C6 or Corvettes in general.
Let's put this one to bed.
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Originally Posted by StanNH
This thread has gotten sooooo ridiculous. With so many threads being closed because they're off topic or "going nowhere", why is this one still open?
The point, if there was one, was made a long time ago...yes, some dealers are jerks. That's wonderful information and I'm sure I'll save it for future reference. Now, all we're getting is a pissing contest where everyone is calling everyone else names and throwing around accusations that may, or may not, be true. Regardless, none of this is relevant to the C6 or Corvettes in general.
Let's put this one to bed.
The point, if there was one, was made a long time ago...yes, some dealers are jerks. That's wonderful information and I'm sure I'll save it for future reference. Now, all we're getting is a pissing contest where everyone is calling everyone else names and throwing around accusations that may, or may not, be true. Regardless, none of this is relevant to the C6 or Corvettes in general.
Let's put this one to bed.