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Old 05-12-2005, 01:46 PM
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I saw these driving terms and wondered what they are, how you do them and if it's ok to do them in the c6. Thanks for any help...

popping the clutch
power shifts and burnouts

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Popping the clutch = just that, letting go of the clutch as fast as possible and stepping on the gas.

Burnout = the result of the above, having the tires spin and smoking them.

Power shift = stepping on the gas and not letting off of the gas as you shift it fast. Some people step on the clutch others rip it into gear without using the clutch, but always have the gas depressed.

Hope that sums it up about right.
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Oh yeah, I wouldn't recommend doing it with such a beautiful car, but it is yours to do it with. Tires will wear out fast as will the clutch if you do these often.
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And then there is "side stepping" where you let you clutch foot slip off the clutch pedal to the right and the clutch pops up all by itself. With judicious amounts of throttle, this also results in smoking burnouts.
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Burnouts won't hurt much more than your rear tires, and even popping the clutch won't hurt anything unless you do it a lot.

Powershifting though, if it's not done exactly right, will destroy your synchros, which while it won't make your transmission fail, will make it difficult to use.
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Exactly what is heel/toe and how is the best way for one to learn it properly? I doubt if it is necessary just for street driving, probably just track, right? Can't wait to have my first manual shift since high school, some 37 yrs ago.

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Thought "power-shifting" was skipping intermediate gear(s), going from 1st to 3rd or 2nd 4th, etc. (Sort of what CAGS does now, but with power). Also used to "double clutch" old transmissions, when down shifting and braking at same time, to avoid lurching, to get engine and tranny revs to match. Not sure if it had any practical value, but the girls always seemed to be impressed.
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Originally Posted by rosemaryburm
Thought "power-shifting" was skipping intermediate gear(s), going from 1st to 3rd or 2nd 4th, etc. (Sort of what CAGS does now, but with power). Also used to "double clutch" old transmissions, when down shifting and braking at same time, to avoid lurching, to get engine and tranny revs to match. Not sure if it had any practical value, but the girls always seemed to be impressed.
Uhhhh....nope. See C6 Girl's post for correct defination of power shifting.
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Terms:

Apex
Late apex
Track out
feather
Trailbrake
Trailbrake throttle oversteer
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Uhhhh....nope. See C6 Girl's post for correct defination of power shifting.
Sorry, you're right. I was thinking of speed shifting.
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Originally Posted by Whataguy
Exactly what is heel/toe and how is the best way for one to learn it properly? I doubt if it is necessary just for street driving, probably just track, right? Can't wait to have my first manual shift since high school, some 37 yrs ago.

*24 and counting
Heel/toe is a form of braking and driving with the same foot. Many race car drivers do this. Basically, they use their right heel on the brake and thier right toe on the throttle so they can get a mixture of both with the same foot. I've tried it, but I'm just too damn tall to do it. My right leg is already out of position.
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Originally Posted by C6 Girl
Popping the clutch = just that, letting go of the clutch as fast as possible and stepping on the gas.

Burnout = the result of the above, having the tires spin and smoking them.

Power shift = stepping on the gas and not letting off of the gas as you shift it fast. Some people step on the clutch others rip it into gear without using the clutch, but always have the gas depressed.

Hope that sums it up about right.
Actually that's "dropping the clutch",
"popping the clutch" is when you have a car that's off and you get it rolling then with the car in first engage the clutch briefly to use the cars momentum to turn over the engine. If done right you can start a car with a dead battery this way, but it's rough on the clutch.
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Originally Posted by Datawiz
Heel/toe is a form of braking and driving with the same foot. Many race car drivers do this. Basically, they use their right heel on the brake and thier right toe on the throttle so they can get a mixture of both with the same foot. I've tried it, but I'm just too damn tall to do it. My right leg is already out of position.
Heel/toe is a misleading term. I was having the same problem cause I'm tall and have big feet till I talked with a race driver. You don't actually use your heel. You brake with the left side of your right foot, while 'rolling' it so that you can gas with the right side. That's why sports cars have the brake so close to the gas. Your really only 'bipping' the throttle because you only need to bring the rpm's up slightly to downshift.
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Originally Posted by Whataguy
Exactly what is heel/toe and how is the best way for one to learn it properly? I doubt if it is necessary just for street driving, probably just track, right? Can't wait to have my first manual shift since high school, some 37 yrs ago.

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it is using the right foot to operate the brake and the gas peddle at the same time when down shifting. you ride the brake as needed but 'blip' the gas as needed to increase the rpm's before putting it in a lower gear, saving the transmission the pressure of a high rpm downshift, or maintaining maximun power while down shifting for the curve that is coming, all with the right foot. it just takes practice. at the spring mountain driving school you start every day with an hour or two of practice. it does take repetition to get it right and to be able to do it right when entering a high speed turn.
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Originally Posted by Datawiz
Heel/toe is a form of braking and driving with the same foot. Many race car drivers do this. Basically, they use their right heel on the brake and thier right toe on the throttle so they can get a mixture of both with the same foot. I've tried it, but I'm just too damn tall to do it. My right leg is already out of position.
The term 'heel& toe" is not discriptive. One does not put the heel on one peddle and the toe on an other.

When under HARD braking and one has to downshift to the next gear. the left side of the right foot is pushing hard on the brake, the right side of the foot, accentuated by an ankle roll 'blips the accelorator' or revs the motor to increase the RPMS, thus allowing the downshifting of the transmission, syncros and the engine rpms to match.

This takes a lot os skill.
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After reading this, possibly some of you can help me with a Texas driving term my wife uses? She often looks at me and says: "I know your engine's runnin' but ain't nobody driving". I am not sure what she means.
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Originally Posted by AU N EGL
Terms:

Apex
Late apex
Track out
feather
Trailbrake
Trailbrake throttle oversteer
I know a couple:
Apex is just that, the Apex of a turn. Picture the "point" in a 90 deg corner at a stop light, or the "highest" part of a semi-circular curve.

A double apex is two alternating apecis read: "S" curve

Tracking out is the use of the entire course. It allows you to essentially broaden a turn, so that you can take it at higher speed. When making the turn approach the apex on the inside in a smot straight manner, then as you go through the turn (lower throttle) hold onto the apex, then throttle up and move to the outside of the straightaway or the inside of the next apex in a double apex turn. When you're doing this you are hugging the outer edges of the track/course at entry and exit of the turn, hence using the entire track. This is a very effective....and fun... driving technique that I do when the streets are empty at 3:30 in the morning!!

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Originally Posted by AU N EGL
The term 'heel& toe" is not discriptive. One does not put the heel on one peddle and the toe on an other.

When under HARD braking and one has to downshift to the next gear. the left side of the right foot is pushing hard on the brake, the right side of the foot, accentuated by an ankle roll 'blips the accelorator' or revs the motor to increase the RPMS, thus allowing the downshifting of the transmission, syncros and the engine rpms to match.

This takes a lot os skill.
My frame of reference on this was watching Mark Martin's heel/toe technique on the road course in Sonoma. Maybe it's cause he's short and has little feet. His foot was more on a 45 degree angle with heel on the brake and toe on the gas, but basically doing exactly what you describe.
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Originally Posted by GGWOODY
I know a couple:
Apex is just that, the Apex of a turn. Picture the "point" in a 90 deg corner at a stop light, or the "highest" part of a semi-circular curve.

A double apex is two alternating apecis read: "S" curve

Tracking out is the use of the entire course. It allows you to essentially broaden a turn, so that you can take it at higher speed. When making the turn approach the apex on the inside in a smot straight manner, then as you go through the turn (lower throttle) hold onto the apex, then throttle up and move to the outside of the straightaway or the inside of the next apex in a double apex turn. When you're doing this you are hugging the outer edges of the track/course at entry and exit of the turn, hence using the entire track. This is a very effective....and fun... driving technique that I do when the streets are empty at 3:30 in the morning!!
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Track out is after you pass the apex of a corner then you roll the throttle to the flow and alow the car to accerlorate as the car moves to the opposit side of the road.

Double apex is a result a long, long sweeping corner with a few short straights. the whole corner is in one direction and holding your steering wheel in one place will not work.

Here is some very good information on cornering

http://www.nccbmwcca.org/drivers-sch...e-driving.html



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After reading this, possibly some of you can help me with a Texas driving term my wife uses? She often looks at me and says: "I know your engine's runnin' but ain't nobody driving". I am not sure what she means.
Did she just read Bob Dole's autobiography, or see a Viagra commercial on TV?


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