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Old 10-10-2013, 05:11 PM
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Is this possible? Obviously deleting the syncro-rev match. If it is I'm gonna have to keep my eye's peeled for any crashed c7's along the east coast.
Old 10-10-2013, 06:25 PM
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Why? Some of the tests I've read say its sort of a waste in the car, when you have that much torque so many gears don't have much use. In the much less torque 911 it is a good thing....

Most of my driving is 1-3-5-6 or 2-4-6....and if your racing, you ain't ever gonna use 7th.
Old 10-10-2013, 07:45 PM
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I think the 7th gear would be nice...it would allow for a lower geared(numerically higher) 6th and maybe a higher top speed.
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Do you really see the need for more gear choices in your c5z? I don't. I agree with JET, a lot of the time I end up skipping gears, not wishing there were more. If I'm not running it hard I often skip 3rd and will do a lot of 2-4 around town.
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I go 1-3-5-6 most of the time

However, the 7-speed would potentially return higher fuel mileage at 80mph (most freeways here are 75 zones); other than that, the only point of the swap would seem to be the bragging rights, unless you planned to regear the rear to a 4.10+ at the same time...
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Originally Posted by rjwz28
unless you planned to regear the rear to a 4.10+ at the same time...
That would absolutely be the way to go. The wide ratios are my least favorite thing about the Z06 compared to my previous German cars. Hardly ever shifting kind of defeats the fun of getting a manual transmission in the first place.
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C5
LS1/MM6 LS6/M12
1st 2.66:1 2.97:1
2nd 1.78:1 2.07:1
3rd 1.30:1 1.43:1
4th 1.00:1 1.00:1
5th 0.74:1 0.84:1
6th 0.50:1 0.56:1

C7
=====Base Z51
1st - 2.66:1 2.97:1
2nd - 1.78:1 2.07:1
3rd - 1.30:1 1.43:1
4th - 1.00:1 1.00:1
5th - 0.74:1 0.84:1
6th - 0.50:1 0.56:1
7th - 0.42:1 0.42:1

Same ratios, more overdrive, better mileage. More top end?

Good luck finding one.

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Old 10-12-2013, 11:26 AM
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A few random thoughts on the subject. They are going to be expensive for several years for the used units to build up in the market, until then they will come from the dealer. It will take a hell of a long time for the increased 7th gear economy to offset the cost. Top end? won't help. Our cars top speed is achieved in 5th and it slows down in 6th. Per the above quoted ratios, the gearing is the same in 6th, so it will slow down even more in 7th. Top speed will still be found in 5th. Of course, if your objective is to say "see what I did", then go for it.
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Originally Posted by Ron C!
A few random thoughts on the subject. They are going to be expensive for several years for the used units to build up in the market, until then they will come from the dealer. It will take a hell of a long time for the increased 7th gear economy to offset the cost. Top end? won't help. Our cars top speed is achieved in 5th and it slows down in 6th. Per the above quoted ratios, the gearing is the same in 6th, so it will slow down even more in 7th. Top speed will still be found in 5th. Of course, if your objective is to say "see what I did", then go for it.
It would increase top speed if done in conjunction with gears, which is the only logical installation since (as you stated) the fuel economy gains will never pay for the trans swap.
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Well way to fvck up a golden opportunity GM, same ****** gear spreads as before with one more OD slapped on top. Here's what I want to see: 1-4 MN6 (base) gearing, M29 5-6, this new 7th, and 3.90s. 5th is still your top speed gear on a goddamned 7 speed transmission!
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You can buy a 30 spline 2013 Z06 trans for $2700 to get the tr6060

But you'll also need a new diff

C5 is 27spline and has a 5 bolt tail housing

With the C5Z currently selling at $20k or below once they hit 50k miles, the modifying of these cars has has slowed down quite a bit.
Old 10-15-2013, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rjwz28
It would increase top speed if done in conjunction with gears, which is the only logical installation since (as you stated) the fuel economy gains will never pay for the trans swap.
6th with 4.10s will still do over 200mph...not sure it will even work, but maybe the OP can get a good deal on the one below
http://omaha.craigslist.org/pts/4130834028.html
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Originally Posted by PRE-Z06
6th with 4.10s will still do over 200mph...not sure it will even work, but maybe the OP can get a good deal on the one below
http://omaha.craigslist.org/pts/4130834028.html
Gave it to some guy named Mikey G to detail it and the next thing I know it turns up wrecked
Sounds like 'Mikey G' had a little too much fun with it, lol.
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Originally Posted by Z06ness03
Is this possible? Obviously deleting the syncro-rev match. If it is I'm gonna have to keep my eye's peeled for any crashed c7's along the east coast.



or a C6 ZR1 Tranny

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Old 10-16-2013, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PRE-Z06
6th with 4.10s will still do over 200mph...not sure it will even work, but maybe the OP can get a good deal on the one below
http://omaha.craigslist.org/pts/4130834028.html
Agreed... it would take at least 4.30s (if not 4.56s) to provide enough torque to see any top speed benefit from the seventh gear with anything close to a stock engine

However, it would allow a 4.10 swap for a top speed exceeding 200mph in 6th gear while retaining seventh gear for fuel economy...
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Well what i was thinking is having the 7-speed taken apart and modifying the gear ratio's of say 4-5-6 to be tighter and then have 7th as a economy while possibly lengthening 1st and 2nd by 5mph and keeping 3rd as is. 6th gear topping out some where around say 205 mph. But apparently its a bit more work than i was hoping. Still though could be a potentially great mod in the future for high Hp c5's (Or just really light weight ones that are really low and streamed) and tired of their old m12's or are on a really worn out m12.
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Originally Posted by Z06ness03
Well what i was thinking is having the 7-speed taken apart and modifying the gear ratio's of say 4-5-6 to be tighter and then have 7th as a economy while possibly lengthening 1st and 2nd by 5mph and keeping 3rd as is. 6th gear topping out some where around say 205 mph. But apparently its a bit more work than i was hoping. Still though could be a potentially great mod in the future for high Hp c5's (Or just really light weight ones that are really low and streamed) and tired of their old m12's or are on a really worn out m12.
You could pretty much accomplish exactly this by swapping in the stock TR6070 and regearing the differential to 4.10s...

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Old 10-18-2013, 09:06 PM
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With custom gears I'd love a 7th. My car hits 7k rpm in 6th now. If I have enough power to pull a .5 7th that would be great, and if not it would put my gas mileage back up in the 20's.
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Originally Posted by MPM IV
With custom gears I'd love a 7th. My car hits 7k rpm in 6th now. If I have enough power to pull a .5 7th that would be great, and if not it would put my gas mileage back up in the 20's.
Stock 3:42 rear? At 70mph I don't think I'm even at 2k rpm in 6th. You couldn't seriously have been at 7k in 6th. Please explain

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Originally Posted by MY03C5Z
Stock 3:42 rear? At 70mph I don't think I'm even at 2k rpm in 6th. You couldn't seriously have been at 7k in 6th. Please explain
It's simple: 3.42 rear, 26" tire, .56 OD, 7000 RPM, 283 MPH


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