They have never set foot in a C5 Z, and I seem to recall they did have a C5 out there once, and pretty much trashed it as a wallary antiquated pig with no redeeming qualities - you know, the normal drivel that Clarkson spews.
Yah I always wondered that as well. Anything Clarkson says must be taken with a big grain of salt, especially when it comes to American cars. Although, he does like the new CTS-V, C6Z06 (for the track) and now the ZR1.
They may not have tested the C5Z, but they did test a base C6 (400HP model), with a time of 1.26.8 (if I remember correctly that was on a slightly damp track). I assume a C5Z should be low 1.26.xx or a high 1.25.xx
To give it reference, the Lamborghini Gallardo did it in 1.25.8, a Porsche 996 GT3 did it in 1.27.2 and a Viper SRT-10 did it in 1.28.5
Yah I always wondered than as well. Anything Clarkson says must be taken with a big grain of salt, especially when it comes to American cars. Although, he does like the new CTS-V, C6Z06 (for the track) and now the ZR1.
They may not have tested the C5Z, but they did test a base C6 (400HP model), with a time of 1.26.8 (if I remember correctly that was on a slightly damp track). I assume a C5Z should be low 1.26.xx or a high 1.25.xx
To give it reference, the Lamborghini Gallardo did it in 1.25.8, a Porsche 996 GT3 did it in 1.27.2 and a Viper SRT-10 did it in 1.28.5
Didn't Clarkson trash the CTS-V's interior? Also he had a porsche c4 dragging the pants off the C6 Z on there runway. Haven't seen the show with a ZR1.
Whatever the C6 Z51 did, subtract about 1-2 seconds per lap, per length of the course.
Wow, really, that much?
So let's say we are conservative and put the C5Z at 1 sec faster than a C6 (400HP, Z51 package). That makes the C5Z as fast as a Lamborghini Gallardo. I find that hard to believe.
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Didn't Clarkson trash the CTS-V's interior? Also he had a porsche c4 dragging the pants off the C6 Z on there runway. Haven't seen the show with a ZR1.
Yah I think you are correct he did trash the interior, I don't know why? I think the interior on the CTS has a very european look, but he did love the car overall.
Actually he put it up against the TVR (tuscon, I believe), Honda NSX and Porsche C4.
The results in a drag-race, were:
1. TVR
2. NSX
3. C6Z06
4. Porsche C4
I have no idea how the NSX beat the C6Z06? Clarkson was driving the Z06, so maybe he let of a bit, or didn’t know how to launch it.
The Top Gear with the ZR1 is season 12 episode 2. You can find it on www.finalgear.com
So let's say we are conservative and put the C5Z at 1 sec faster than a C6 (400HP, Z51 package). That makes the C5Z as fast as a Lamborghini Gallardo. I find that hard to believe.
How so?
The C5 Z06 "back in the day" was able to dance toe to toe with anythign thrown at it by all comers. That included the Viper ACR, Porsche Turbo, Ferrari 360 CS etc.
The 7:56 (or was it 7:54??) Nurburgring laptime with John Heinricy at the wheel, while not the be all and end ll of benchmark numbers (especially taken otu of context and on different days in different cars with different drivers) is still a very good indicator that the C5 Z06 was and still is a very very capable platform.
Even the raw spec sheet numbers are not shabby even by todays standards: (culled from a variety of sources but again show that even the lowly C5 Z06 (2001 dn '02 to '04 models) are very capable cars.
The C5 Z06 "back in the day" was able to dance toe to toe with anythign thrown at it by all comers. That included the Viper ACR, Porsche Turbo, Ferrari 360 CS etc.
The 7:56 (or was it 7:54??) Nurburgring laptime with John Heinricy at the wheel, while not the be all and end ll of benchmark numbers (especially taken otu of context and on different days in different cars with different drivers) is still a very good indicator that the C5 Z06 was and still is a very very capable platform.
Even the raw spec sheet numbers are not shabby even by todays standards: (culled from a variety of sources but again show that even the lowly C5 Z06 (2001 dn '02 to '04 models) are very capable cars.
In short, a stock C5 Z kicks @rse - imagine what some of the modded cars are capable of
Hey I'm not saying the C5Z06 is not an amazing car, especially for the price. I mean, it can run with a 360 Modena and a 911 Turbo. I just find it hard to believe that a C5Z06 can keep up with a Gallardo or a 360CS.
Hey I'm not saying the C5Z06 is not an amazing car, especially for the price. I mean, it can run with a 360 Modena and a 911 Turbo. I just find it hard to believe that a C5Z06 can keep up with a Gallardo or a 360CS.
Actually the C5 Z could rings around the 360 in the right hands. Literally. The 360 is a rather heavy car, and not blessed with that much power.
It was pretty easy to chase down 360's and 360CS's on the freeway and run nose to tail in the twisties.
The C5 Z06 really is that good. It is outperformed by the C6 Z)6 and other uber cars of today, but could more than hold its own "back in the day".
Actually the C5 Z could rings around the 360 in the right hands. Literally. The 360 is a rather heavy car, and not blessed with that much power.
It was pretty easy to chase down 360's and 360CS's on the freeway and run nose to tail in the twisties.
The C5 Z06 really is that good. It is outperformed by the C6 Z)6 and other uber cars of today, but could more than hold its own "back in the day".
Do you know what a 360CS is? It has 425hp and only weighs 2816 lbs. I love the Z06 as much as anyone, but can we please be realistic? The 360CS it faster than the C5Z06. Period.
Hockenheim Short
360CS= 1:13.0
C5Z06= 1:14.9
And it's 0-60 is 4.0, 1/4 mile in 12.1 and a top speed of 186 mph. If we're realistic and not going to try to quote the fastest times ever recorded for a C5Z06, we should be able to admit the Ferrari is faster, even in a straight line.
Actually the C5 Z could rings around the 360 in the right hands. Literally. The 360 is a rather heavy car, and not blessed with that much power.
It was pretty easy to chase down 360's and 360CS's on the freeway and run nose to tail in the twisties.
The C5 Z06 really is that good. It is outperformed by the C6 Z)6 and other uber cars of today, but could more than hold its own "back in the day".
I don't know where you're getting your info from.
Run rings around a 360, hmmmm... I think not. And a 360 is only 80lbs heavier than a C5Z06, I don't know if I'd call that heavy.
Run nose to tail with a 360CS, I don't know about that. around 2800lbs, 425HP, F1 shifting (i.e. never miss a shift, no thinking about shifts). Maybe you beat the driver, but not the car.
Do you know what a 360CS is? It has 425hp and only weighs 2816 lbs. I love the Z06 as much as anyone, but can we please be realistic? The 360CS it faster than the C5Z06. Period.
Hockenheim Short
360CS= 1:13.0
C5Z06= 1:14.9
And it's 0-60 is 4.0, 1/4 mile in 12.1 and a top speed of 186 mph. If we're realistic and not going to try to quote the fastest times ever recorded for a C5Z06, we should be able to admit the Ferrari is faster, even in a straight line.
Yes I do know what a Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale is. I am not the only person to have chased one down on the freeway. They are not that fast. They are also not the "holy grail" and are easily chased and shadowed on the back roads.
And they do not weigh 2800lbs wet fully gased up ready to go.
Dry weights do not do the car justice.
WHo ran these purported Hockenheimring times?
SportAuto barely managed a - shock - horror - 7:56 around the Northloop in the 360CS... the same time as a C5 Z06 was thrown around the track.
In other words, the C5 Z06 and the 360CS are comparable cars that run neck and neck.
Believe what you want, but next time you come up against an F360CS dont just cower down in fear, the car may be expensive and have tendancy to chewup and spit out F1 transmission but is not so fast as to deserve to be feared.
And if you ever run across a regular 360 and dont at least put 2 cars on it on the freeway, then you either short shifted or relly odnt know how to drive - they are not that fast - honestly.
Mods: This video is not a street race, but rather of a sponsored controlled event
A small visual aid. The video dates from 2005, and here are the C5 Z06 drivers own words with regard to this video. Gene doesnt bullchute - what you see of the 360's and Gallardos are what you get - for real.
The 360's are sweet cars, but not that fast.
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ok..here's the deal
360/CS - i race and kill 360's every weekend. also the challenge stradales. I love those cars more than anything mind you. but against them they were fully 100% into it.
911 turbo S - I've raced him several times as well. sometimes i win and sometimes he does. We have also driven each others cars at great length. We both agree our cars are dead even.
gallardo - the first pull was all out from 50 to 150. he was completely into it. the second run i'm not 100% sure. He got on it for sure but i think he may not have stayed 100% into it for long at all. but the first run was fully legit. i was kinda shocked how badly i beat the gallardo. but then i looked up what it traps and it's times....and it's not close to my numbers. also when we were in vegas my buddy ran his stradale to 185 against another friends gallardo. the stradale...which i kill...won the race.
diablo - we were neck and neck and he was fully into it. he let off when i began to really put cars on him. i'm sure once i hit 5th he would have murdered me if he stayed in it.
these are common results to me.....i generally don't get pulls with a camera guy in my passenger seat.
our cars really are that fast. :z:
but i would trade in a half a heartbeat for the much slower 360 modena :yeadog:
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And guys, can we take modded cars out of the equation. Because if you mod your car they can mod their car. It becomes a never ending cycle.
Yes we are comparing dry weights, because a C5Z06 which is rated at 3118 lbs, once loaded up with fuel and fluids will weigh more. So when you compare the 360CS weight at 2800 lbs that’s dry, which is 318 lbs less than the dry weight of a C5Z06.
Honestly, it just boggles the mind that a car with less weight and more HP is getting beaten by a heavier car with less HP. Also the 360CS can pull-off perfect shifts every time all the time.
How does this make sense?! Maybe it’s the tires, I know the 360CS comes with sticky tires, maybe when you change the tires on the C5Z06 it evens the playing field?
Well, I don’t think I’d cower away from any (sports) car that wants to run. But I won’t have to worry about running up against a 360 let alone a 360CS, they are very rare in my area.
Is your car stock? If so and you are beating 360 CS, then props to you. I didn’t think that would be the case.
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And guys, can we take modded cars out of the equation. Because if you mod your car they can mod their car. It becomes a never ending cycle.
Yes we are comparing dry weights, because a C5Z06 which is rated at 3118 lbs, once loaded up with fuel and fluids will weigh more. So when you compare the 360CS weight at 2800 lbs that’s dry, which is 318 lbs less than the dry weight of a C5Z06.
Honestly, it just boggles the mind that a car with less weight and more HP is getting beaten by a heavier car with less HP. Also the 360CS can pull-off perfect shifts every time all the time.
How does this make sense?! Maybe it’s the tires, I know the 360CS comes with sticky tires, maybe when you change the tires on the C5Z06 it evens the playing field?
Well, I don’t think I’d cower away from any (sports) car that wants to run. But I won’t have to worry about running up against a 360 let alone a 360CS, they are very rare in my area.
Is your car stock? If so and you are beating 360 CS, then props to you. I didn’t think that would be the case.
How long have you been around the Corvette? Not very long I take it.
3118lbs is the soaking wet, fully fueled, fully oiled dripping wet ready to drive weight.
I am getting the feeling you really don't know what Corvettes are capable of because you were raised around and believed all the Top Gear hype about Corvettes being rubbish.
A Tubi exhaust is probably the first mod every Ferrari owner does - so dont go cry "Modded car! Modded car!" because some guy with an exhaust can pull on exotics with his C5 Z06.
Again, that is just how hard a 3100lb car with 385ftlb (for 2001) and 400ftlb (for '02 - '04) pulls.
I am really amazed at how self-deprecatingn newer Corvette owners are. But again - believe what you want. The reality is that a C5 Z06 will blow the doors off a Ferrari 360, run door handle to door handle with the 360CS, Gallardo's, 911 Turbos, and Viper ACR's (of the same era obviously).
And dont think the car is a pussy on a road course either - the C5 Z06 is a very capable track car, even bone stock. Remember the car was shipped with the same compound and type of tyres as the Ferrari F50 so even the tyres when new are fantastic for street tyres.
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Yes we are comparing dry weights, because a C5Z06 which is rated at 3118 lbs, once loaded up with fuel and fluids will weigh more. So when you compare the 360CS weight at 2800 lbs that’s dry, which is 318 lbs less than the dry weight of a C5Z06.
Not quite. 3118 lbs is the CURB weight of the C5Z, not the dry weight.
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