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Old 10-14-2021, 07:54 AM
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2002 Z06, 94000 miles, stock exhaust, mild cam, previous owner had it tuned, engine is a fresh rebuild due to spinning a bearing while racing and has a new crank but stock except mild cam. New NGK spark plugs, MSD wires all measure 24-35 ohms.
- was told the air injection system had been disabled when tuned. So we left it blocked off.
- We bought the car after it sat for 2 years with the engine out.
- We got the car running and on the first drive trying to accelerate basically at ALL it would backfire badly. However idle was stable and can be revved fine not under a load.
- checked the fuel and it looked like urine or apple juice. So I purged all the old gas out jumping the fuel pump relay into a jerry can. We added 5 gallons of premium gas.
- the car began running much better but still it would miss at partial throttle accelerating.
- engine codes? I’ve gotten a code for the air injection oddly even though it was “deleted” I had a code for the left bank HO2S heater, it’s been replaced with a new Bosch sensor. Oddly I’ve not seen any codes yet for fuel trim or misfiring through the instrument cluster.
- I drove the car on a trip gingerly with the tank having been filled with 93 and a Bottle of Techron. Still after that entire tank, anything more than 1/2 throttle the engine misfires. In 6th gear for example at 1500 RPM And just easing in the throttle, it’s begins to break up.
- (on that trip P0153 HC set for right bank front O2 slow response now which is interesting) not sure if that’s related here or just a faulty sensor.
- I’m beginning to think it feels more like ignition but then I had found such dramatic improvement with new fuel but this condition remains.
- I haven’t checked yet for intake leaks but felt that all went back together properly, but I know that’s something I need to consider.
Anyways… this whole situation is driving me kinda nuts… any help you guys may have with situations like this would be great. I know this was long but I wanted to front all the info I could think of.

-Steve
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Without a scan tool and a scope you'll only be guessing my friend...your situation is not unique so the best thing I could say is take it to a diagnostic shop and pay for an hour or two of diagnostic time and let them make an quick and accurate diagnosis...since the car sat for a long time I would remove the injectors and have them cleaned and reinstalled...you will not see any DTC's for "fuel trim" but a P0171/P0174 for a lean condition...and yes that P0153 should be addressed.
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Just to update - I was able to confirm 58psi fuel pressure constantly at idle and driving and when it breaks up partially loaded.
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Originally Posted by servohead
Just to update - I was able to confirm 58psi fuel pressure constantly at idle and driving and when it breaks up partially loaded.
This does NOT mean you may have some clogged injectors !!
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Just a guess, had same backfire problem minus the bad gas after changing plugs, turned out to be a cracked spark-plug insulator.
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Originally Posted by C5 Diag
This does NOT mean you may have some clogged injectors !!
I absolutely agree man… just looking at and compiling all of my data at this point.
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Originally Posted by C5 Diag
Without a scan tool and a scope you'll only be guessing my friend...your situation is not unique so the best thing I could say is take it to a diagnostic shop and pay for an hour or two of diagnostic time and let them make an quick and accurate diagnosis...since the car sat for a long time I would remove the injectors and have them cleaned and reinstalled...you will not see any DTC's for "fuel trim" but a P0171/P0174 for a lean condition...and yes that P0153 should be addressed.
also who do you recommend to send the injectors to to clean?
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Try FIC injectors service
https://fuelinjectorclinic.com/Servi...-Cleaning-Port
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So many variables that you cannot answer without a proper scan of the engine function. And that is not just 'pulling codes'.

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Originally Posted by KOZ
So many variables that you cannot answer without a proper scan of the engine function. And that is not just 'pulling codes'.
this week I’ll be able to use the Tech 2 and figure this beast out.
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So, I found the problem… almost assuredly. #8 plug is absolutely cracked in half. It was either damaged when I received it and I didn’t notice it or the plug wire was fitting loosely on there and overheated it. This whole time I’ve been telling myself the car was misfiring… I should have believed myself before way over analyzing things.
What is really STRANGE is that the tech 2 showed NOTHING, not one misfire at all, and never set ANY misfiring codes at all.

I still need to sort out the P0153 but I’m thinking at this point it’s just a bad HO2S.

I did check the intake for vacuum leaks and found nothing at all.

thanks everyone for your advice!

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