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Old 08-28-2020, 06:11 AM
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O.K. Had a great day at Carlisle ( hot! ) and car ran like a champ. Headed back to N.Y. in the afternoon with no issues. Stopped at DQ for an ice cream in Sellingsgrove. While at the window car was iddeling just fine and then just shut off. No noise, bang or chugging, just like it was turned off. Tried to restart, spun over fine but would not light up. Wound up getting towed to the Chev dealer in Sellingsgrove, left the car because it was 4:30 and service dept was closed. Rented a car and drove the other 2 1/2 hrs. home. Any ideas? I checked the obvious. My biggest worry is the Chev dealers abilities to fix it. Doesn't look like a state of the art dealership and feeling like I'm about to get hosed royal being out of state and over a barrel. Car has 28,000 miles, no winters, rain, babied all it's life. It's an 04 LeMans edition. Thank's for your ideas in advance. Be safe.
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Any codes?
Based on the clues you give.... Grounds, fuses, relays is what I'd be checking. Secondarily fuel pressure.
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I always check for fuel, air, and spark...anyways the way you described everything, my guess is crank shaft sensor.
Old 08-28-2020, 08:25 AM
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O.K. Had a great day at Carlisle ( hot! ) and car ran like a champ. Headed back to N.Y. in the afternoon with no issues. Stopped at DQ for an ice cream in Sellingsgrove. While at the window car was iddeling just fine and then just shut off. No noise, bang or chugging, just like it was turned off. Tried to restart, spun over fine but would not light up. Wound up getting towed to the Chev dealer in Sellingsgrove, left the car because it was 4:30 and service dept was closed. Rented a car and drove the other 2 1/2 hrs. home. Any ideas? I checked the obvious. My biggest worry is the Chev dealers abilities to fix it. Doesn't look like a state of the art dealership and feeling like I'm about to get hosed royal being out of state and over a barrel. Car has 28,000 miles, no winters, rain, babied all it's life. It's an 04 LeMans edition. Thank's for your ideas in advance. Be safe.
Wow, you need the car in your position to get accurate help or you just shooting in the wind.
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Forgot to mention that when checking codes every code under the sun was displayed! Not one group with no codes except radio. Didn't have enough paper to write them all down! Very strang indeed. Never an issue with any code or trouble in 16 years. Perhaps my luck has finally run out.
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Tough to get the car in my possession since it's 150 miles away. Would not have even taken it to dealer if I were home in my shop. Wouldn't even have made this post if it were here.
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Can't help with the issue, but I think that pristine of a car I would have rented a trailer and towed it home...

I know- hindsight is 20/20

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With all those codes I think 1st I would check out the battery - the dealer will do that 1st then charge you a million dollars for battery, windshield wipers, and a oil change.
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Should have bought AAA waited 48 hours and towed it ...at least that’s what I would have done left it right n the DQ lot and got approval from the store manger

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Originally Posted by Daddy o
O.K. Had a great day at Carlisle ( hot! ) and car ran like a champ. Headed back to N.Y. in the afternoon with no issues. Stopped at DQ for an ice cream in Sellingsgrove. While at the window car was iddeling just fine and then just shut off. No noise, bang or chugging, just like it was turned off. Tried to restart, spun over fine but would not light up. Wound up getting towed to the Chev dealer in Sellingsgrove, left the car because it was 4:30 and service dept was closed. Rented a car and drove the other 2 1/2 hrs. home. Any ideas? I checked the obvious. My biggest worry is the Chev dealers abilities to fix it. Doesn't look like a state of the art dealership and feeling like I'm about to get hosed royal being out of state and over a barrel. Car has 28,000 miles, no winters, rain, babied all it's life. It's an 04 LeMans edition. Thank's for your ideas in advance. Be safe.
I’d first give it a good toot of Brake Kleen into a vacuum line and then try to start it to rule out a fuel delivery issue...maybe fuel pump...do you hear the fuel pump prime for 2 seconds when you turn the key on ??...when you crank it does the Tach appear to move ??...this denotes a possible crank sensor issue !!...you would have no spark or injector pulse...let us know.Have the dealership contact one of us here...we’ll help them with the diagnosis...LOL !!

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Old 08-28-2020, 08:15 PM
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You will probably save time, money, and many headaches by just having the car towed home. Unless the dealer is a very rare exception they will not have a clue.
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Everyone has an opinion so mine is this, call the dealer and request they only check battery and if that is not the issue have them not do anything else. You rent a trailer or call a rollback and bring the car home to your garage. Towing cost not cheap but neither is a dealer that is just going to see you as an blank check. Good luck.
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Yup bring it home 1st hand if your mechanic skills are at least decent ....
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The cost of towing it home will be way less then what the stealership is going to charge you.
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You posted that every module had a trouble code, except the radio, that tells me that you probably have a serial data highway problem, where none of the modules are communicating with each other, the problem could be as simple as bad connections on the connectors located in the accordion covers at the doors. Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by mmartinez
You posted that every module had a trouble code, except the radio, that tells me that you probably have a serial data highway problem, where none of the modules are communicating with each other, the problem could be as simple as bad connections on the connectors located in the accordion covers at the doors. Hope this helps.
How do you get access to this area - remove the door panel?
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Still kinda sound like the battery is just not injected right or failed possibly a crank position sensor like stated ...



Do or did you hear the fuel pump turn on to say the least after it stalled ?

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Old 08-29-2020, 05:48 PM
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The rubber accordion between the door and the body of the car contains the wiring and a connector, you have to pull the wire harness back towards the door to get to the connector as it is located just inside the car itself, you do not have to remove the door cover. This connector is a known cause of problems as one of the wires in this connector is the serial data highway wire. You could also have some kind of power distribution problem or grounds. Good luck
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Originally Posted by mmartinez
The rubber accordion between the door and the body of the car contains the wiring and a connector, you have to pull the wire harness back towards the door to get to the connector as it is located just inside the car itself, you do not have to remove the door cover. This connector is a known cause of problems as one of the wires in this connector is the serial data highway wire. You could also have some kind of power distribution problem or grounds. Good luck
So is it possible when the door opens this signals the instrument cluster back lighting to come on - is there a connector in there that could fail or come unconnected to cause the back lighting to fail?
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I don't know if there is a dedicated hard wire from the door latch mechanism which contains the door ajar switch that is wired out via the wire harness, or if that information is passed on via the serial data highway.
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