C5 Auto to 6 Speed Questions
03-17-2014, 12:14 AM
#1
Instructor
Thread Starter
C5 Auto to 6 Speed Questions
First off let me leave a list of what I have gathered that I need and you guys fill in what I'm missing.
Trans
Torque Tube
Bell housing
Pedal assembly
Trans harness
Shifter
Shifter rod and linkage
Clutch
Master
Slave
My questions are, I have found everything except for the bell housing, the parts are out of an 02 Z06, any reason these parts won't work in my car? Mine is a 98 c5.
I also read that the location of the ebtcm will affect which harness you need being some ebtcms are rear mounted and require a longer harness? How can I tell if mine is front or rear mounted?
As previously stated I have found everything except for the bellhousing, all the parts from the same car, the guy wants $1500 for everything is this a fair price?
I have read that the holes for the pedals are already present, is this true?
Is there any small items I'm leaving out like brackets or anything like that?
Will any manual bell housing work with this torque tube being from a z06 or does the bell housing need to come off a z06?
Trans
Torque Tube
Bell housing
Pedal assembly
Trans harness
Shifter
Shifter rod and linkage
Clutch
Master
Slave
My questions are, I have found everything except for the bell housing, the parts are out of an 02 Z06, any reason these parts won't work in my car? Mine is a 98 c5.
I also read that the location of the ebtcm will affect which harness you need being some ebtcms are rear mounted and require a longer harness? How can I tell if mine is front or rear mounted?
As previously stated I have found everything except for the bellhousing, all the parts from the same car, the guy wants $1500 for everything is this a fair price?
I have read that the holes for the pedals are already present, is this true?
Is there any small items I'm leaving out like brackets or anything like that?
Will any manual bell housing work with this torque tube being from a z06 or does the bell housing need to come off a z06?
03-17-2014, 02:53 AM
#2
Tech Contributor
First off let me leave a list of what I have gathered that I need and you guys fill in what I'm missing.
Trans
Torque Tube
Bell housing
Pedal assembly
Trans harness
Shifter
Shifter rod and linkage
Clutch
Master
Slave
My questions are, I have found everything except for the bell housing, the parts are out of an 02 Z06, any reason these parts won't work in my car? Mine is a 98 c5.
I also read that the location of the ebtcm will affect which harness you need being some ebtcms are rear mounted and require a longer harness? How can I tell if mine is front or rear mounted?
As previously stated I have found everything except for the bellhousing, all the parts from the same car, the guy wants $1500 for everything is this a fair price?
I have read that the holes for the pedals are already present, is this true?
Is there any small items I'm leaving out like brackets or anything like that?
Will any manual bell housing work with this torque tube being from a z06 or does the bell housing need to come off a z06?
Trans
Torque Tube
Bell housing
Pedal assembly
Trans harness
Shifter
Shifter rod and linkage
Clutch
Master
Slave
My questions are, I have found everything except for the bell housing, the parts are out of an 02 Z06, any reason these parts won't work in my car? Mine is a 98 c5.
I also read that the location of the ebtcm will affect which harness you need being some ebtcms are rear mounted and require a longer harness? How can I tell if mine is front or rear mounted?
As previously stated I have found everything except for the bellhousing, all the parts from the same car, the guy wants $1500 for everything is this a fair price?
I have read that the holes for the pedals are already present, is this true?
Is there any small items I'm leaving out like brackets or anything like that?
Will any manual bell housing work with this torque tube being from a z06 or does the bell housing need to come off a z06?
Torque Tube
Bell housing
Pedal assembly
Trans harness
Shifter
Shifter rod and linkage
Clutch
Master
Slave (should come with reservoir)
Flywheel & flywheel bolts
Pilot bearing
As for the EBTCM, if it's in the front, it'll be directly in front of the power steering pump/pulley. If it's in the rear, it'll be in the back of the car. I expect you could dissect your existing harness and then add whatever harness you purchase without worrying about where your EBTCM lies.
03-17-2014, 08:36 AM
#5
Team Owner
Not sure if you got it with the pedals, etc but you'll want the clutch switch too. It performs a couple different functions i.e., engine start (safety feature), cruise control disengage, etc. Not sure if your under dash wiring harness has the (unused) connector plug already. I would think it does. Two wire connector.
03-17-2014, 10:46 AM
#6
Instructor
Thread Starter
Not sure if you got it with the pedals, etc but you'll want the clutch switch too. It performs a couple different functions i.e., engine start (safety feature), cruise control disengage, etc. Not sure if your under dash wiring harness has the (unused) connector plug already. I would think it does. Two wire connector.
03-17-2014, 10:59 AM
#7
Team Owner
When you're looking, it's a simple little two-wire connector plug. I don't recall the two wire colors right off hand, but it should be in the general vicinity if it's there. Some people splice a small switch in series into either one of the wires (doesn't matter), and use it as a "kill" switch for anti-theft.
03-17-2014, 11:34 AM
#8
Le Mans Master
Obviously you are masochistic. Good luck, it can be done. You will also need to have the car reprogrammed.
My parts manual shows a different bellhousing for auto versus manual (surprised me). Probably an overall dimension correction for auto versus manual. It also shows a mount that attaches to the bellhousing to support the clutch line to the slave for 97-99.
I saw no difference in the ZO6 bellhousing from a normal C5. It also did not show the hydraulic line support for the later than 1999 cars, not sure why.
All the auto and manual bellhousing part numbers were the same regardless of year.
My parts manual shows a different bellhousing for auto versus manual (surprised me). Probably an overall dimension correction for auto versus manual. It also shows a mount that attaches to the bellhousing to support the clutch line to the slave for 97-99.
I saw no difference in the ZO6 bellhousing from a normal C5. It also did not show the hydraulic line support for the later than 1999 cars, not sure why.
All the auto and manual bellhousing part numbers were the same regardless of year.
Last edited by dadaroo; 03-17-2014 at 11:38 AM.
03-17-2014, 12:12 PM
#10
The clutch wiring is not in your car. You have option of finding a dash harness or putting in your own wires like my car.
You'll be doing some pcm repinning also.
The clutch master hole is marked out in the insulation but will need to be cut in the tub. There is a bracket you'll need to stand off the reservoir so it doesn't hit the washer fluid sensor. I ended up using a spacer on one side to angle it.
$1,500 is about what I paid for all my stock take off parts.
Don't forget a reflash/dyno tune.
Its a huge job and will take longer or cost more than you are expecting.
Best of luck with the swap.
You'll be doing some pcm repinning also.
The clutch master hole is marked out in the insulation but will need to be cut in the tub. There is a bracket you'll need to stand off the reservoir so it doesn't hit the washer fluid sensor. I ended up using a spacer on one side to angle it.
$1,500 is about what I paid for all my stock take off parts.
Don't forget a reflash/dyno tune.
Its a huge job and will take longer or cost more than you are expecting.
Best of luck with the swap.
03-17-2014, 12:20 PM
#11
Le Mans Master
Nasty98vette,
I did this swap in January. You will need a manual bell housing (base or Z06 are the same). The clutch has two switches. They're mounted at top and bottom of the clutch pedal assembly. The one on the bottom controls the clutch start function. The top one is the cruise control disengage. You'll need a narrower brake pedal. (FYI, you must remove the existing brake pedal to install a clutch pedal)
There is a hole in the sheet metal (firewall). However, you will need to drill out the fiberglass panel to the same size hole.
Obtain a manaul wiring harness for your specific year/options (i.e. F55). If you get a Z06 wiring harness it will have a trans fluid temp seosor connector on it. You can chooe to have a temp sensor installed into your trans drain plug.
Other items:
Wiring is not complicated. ~ 6 wire connections need to be made to the PCM/BCM. I have connection specifics if you need them. Biggest pain in the *** is installing clutch pedal and wiring it.
You'll need a "manual trans specific" PCM file. Splice your engine tune into the new file. Update your VIN in the file too. (requires a Tech2 programmer or a fully licensed HP tuner set).
Ping me if you have any other questions.
I cannot stress enough that you should add a remote clutch bleeder.
I did this swap in January. You will need a manual bell housing (base or Z06 are the same). The clutch has two switches. They're mounted at top and bottom of the clutch pedal assembly. The one on the bottom controls the clutch start function. The top one is the cruise control disengage. You'll need a narrower brake pedal. (FYI, you must remove the existing brake pedal to install a clutch pedal)
There is a hole in the sheet metal (firewall). However, you will need to drill out the fiberglass panel to the same size hole.
Obtain a manaul wiring harness for your specific year/options (i.e. F55). If you get a Z06 wiring harness it will have a trans fluid temp seosor connector on it. You can chooe to have a temp sensor installed into your trans drain plug.
Other items:
Wiring is not complicated. ~ 6 wire connections need to be made to the PCM/BCM. I have connection specifics if you need them. Biggest pain in the *** is installing clutch pedal and wiring it.
You'll need a "manual trans specific" PCM file. Splice your engine tune into the new file. Update your VIN in the file too. (requires a Tech2 programmer or a fully licensed HP tuner set).
Ping me if you have any other questions.
I cannot stress enough that you should add a remote clutch bleeder.
Last edited by Bluefire; 03-17-2014 at 12:22 PM.
03-17-2014, 12:31 PM
#12
Instructor
Thread Starter
Nasty98vette,
I did this swap in January. You will need a manual bell housing (base or Z06 are the same). The clutch has two switches. They're mounted at top and bottom of the clutch pedal assembly. The one on the bottom controls the clutch start function. The top one is the cruise control disengage. You'll need a narrower brake pedal. (FYI, you must remove the existing brake pedal to install a clutch pedal)
There is a hole in the sheet metal (firewall). However, you will need to drill out the fiberglass panel to the same size hole.
Obtain a manaul wiring harness for your specific year/options (i.e. F55). If you get a Z06 wiring harness it will have a trans fluid temp seosor connector on it. You can chooe to have a temp sensor installed into your trans drain plug.
Other items:
Wiring is not complicated. ~ 6 wire connections need to be made to the PCM/BCM. I have connection specifics if you need them. Biggest pain in the *** is installing clutch pedal and wiring it.
You'll need a "manual trans specific" PCM file. Splice your engine tune into the new file. Update your VIN in the file too. (requires a Tech2 programmer or a fully licensed HP tuner set).
Ping me if you have any other questions.
I cannot stress enough that you should add a remote clutch bleeder.
I did this swap in January. You will need a manual bell housing (base or Z06 are the same). The clutch has two switches. They're mounted at top and bottom of the clutch pedal assembly. The one on the bottom controls the clutch start function. The top one is the cruise control disengage. You'll need a narrower brake pedal. (FYI, you must remove the existing brake pedal to install a clutch pedal)
There is a hole in the sheet metal (firewall). However, you will need to drill out the fiberglass panel to the same size hole.
Obtain a manaul wiring harness for your specific year/options (i.e. F55). If you get a Z06 wiring harness it will have a trans fluid temp seosor connector on it. You can chooe to have a temp sensor installed into your trans drain plug.
Other items:
Wiring is not complicated. ~ 6 wire connections need to be made to the PCM/BCM. I have connection specifics if you need them. Biggest pain in the *** is installing clutch pedal and wiring it.
You'll need a "manual trans specific" PCM file. Splice your engine tune into the new file. Update your VIN in the file too. (requires a Tech2 programmer or a fully licensed HP tuner set).
Ping me if you have any other questions.
I cannot stress enough that you should add a remote clutch bleeder.
I have a shop with lifts, trans jacks, every air tool in the book etc just fyi.
03-17-2014, 12:49 PM
#13
Le Mans Master
The mechanic that built my motor and I did it in his shop. Total = 28 hours.
03-17-2014, 02:02 PM
#14
Team Owner
Nasty98vette,
I did this swap in January. You will need a manual bell housing (base or Z06 are the same). The clutch has two switches. They're mounted at top and bottom of the clutch pedal assembly. The one on the bottom controls the clutch start function. The top one is the cruise control disengage. You'll need a narrower brake pedal. (FYI, you must remove the existing brake pedal to install a clutch pedal)
There is a hole in the sheet metal (firewall). However, you will need to drill out the fiberglass panel to the same size hole.
Obtain a manaul wiring harness for your specific year/options (i.e. F55). If you get a Z06 wiring harness it will have a trans fluid temp seosor connector on it. You can chooe to have a temp sensor installed into your trans drain plug.
Other items:
Wiring is not complicated. ~ 6 wire connections need to be made to the PCM/BCM. I have connection specifics if you need them. Biggest pain in the *** is installing clutch pedal and wiring it.
You'll need a "manual trans specific" PCM file. Splice your engine tune into the new file. Update your VIN in the file too. (requires a Tech2 programmer or a fully licensed HP tuner set).
Ping me if you have any other questions.
I cannot stress enough that you should add a remote clutch bleeder.
I did this swap in January. You will need a manual bell housing (base or Z06 are the same). The clutch has two switches. They're mounted at top and bottom of the clutch pedal assembly. The one on the bottom controls the clutch start function. The top one is the cruise control disengage. You'll need a narrower brake pedal. (FYI, you must remove the existing brake pedal to install a clutch pedal)
There is a hole in the sheet metal (firewall). However, you will need to drill out the fiberglass panel to the same size hole.
Obtain a manaul wiring harness for your specific year/options (i.e. F55). If you get a Z06 wiring harness it will have a trans fluid temp seosor connector on it. You can chooe to have a temp sensor installed into your trans drain plug.
Other items:
Wiring is not complicated. ~ 6 wire connections need to be made to the PCM/BCM. I have connection specifics if you need them. Biggest pain in the *** is installing clutch pedal and wiring it.
You'll need a "manual trans specific" PCM file. Splice your engine tune into the new file. Update your VIN in the file too. (requires a Tech2 programmer or a fully licensed HP tuner set).
Ping me if you have any other questions.
I cannot stress enough that you should add a remote clutch bleeder.
Thanks for clarifying on the matter of the pedal switches. It's been awhile since I was under there crawling around.
03-20-2014, 05:38 PM
#15
Instructor
Thread Starter
I have just about everything I need, minus the clutch and hydraulic components such as the slave and master and I still need to buy a pilot bearing.
My next question is, what is my auto driveline worth? In complete form or separating parts.
My next question is, what is my auto driveline worth? In complete form or separating parts.
03-20-2014, 06:06 PM
#16
Values are all over the map depending on your market and parts condition.
I got zero credit or otherwise for mine from the shop. You may get several hundred if you want to deal with shipping.
I got zero credit or otherwise for mine from the shop. You may get several hundred if you want to deal with shipping.
Shipping is the deal killer. You may get a couple of hundred bucks through a local sale.
03-20-2014, 06:24 PM
#18
Instructor
Thread Starter
That's a bum deal on the value of the auto stuff.
I'm reading some guys saying I need the complete wiring harness to run the manual and some are saying just the "transmission" harness is needed. Is there just a harness for the transmission OR do you cut the manual wires out of the complete wiring harness?
I'm reading some guys saying I need the complete wiring harness to run the manual and some are saying just the "transmission" harness is needed. Is there just a harness for the transmission OR do you cut the manual wires out of the complete wiring harness?
03-20-2014, 07:49 PM
#19
You want a complete trans harness my shop still cannibalized some of my old harness too.
Its the harness in a 4 foot plastic sleeve. Make sure if you have one shipped they don't go cheap on you and fold it up into a small box.
I had a used Yank 3200ss some value if I wanted to drag the oily mess home and find a buyer and the shifter may have some value to someone that broke theirs. Other than that its a 40k 10mm TT, shot flex plate and a poorly running auto trans.
Realistically $500 would have been top dollar for what was left over.
Thing is the way these cars are designed you're just not going to find many people willing to take a chance on trans parts like a torque converter since it's not like dropping the trans out of an old mustang where if it doesn't work you spend a couple more hours swapping it back out.
Its the harness in a 4 foot plastic sleeve. Make sure if you have one shipped they don't go cheap on you and fold it up into a small box.
I had a used Yank 3200ss some value if I wanted to drag the oily mess home and find a buyer and the shifter may have some value to someone that broke theirs. Other than that its a 40k 10mm TT, shot flex plate and a poorly running auto trans.
Realistically $500 would have been top dollar for what was left over.
Thing is the way these cars are designed you're just not going to find many people willing to take a chance on trans parts like a torque converter since it's not like dropping the trans out of an old mustang where if it doesn't work you spend a couple more hours swapping it back out.
03-21-2014, 01:53 PM
#20
Le Mans Master
That's a bum deal on the value of the auto stuff.
I'm reading some guys saying I need the complete wiring harness to run the manual and some are saying just the "transmission" harness is needed. Is there just a harness for the transmission OR do you cut the manual wires out of the complete wiring harness?
I'm reading some guys saying I need the complete wiring harness to run the manual and some are saying just the "transmission" harness is needed. Is there just a harness for the transmission OR do you cut the manual wires out of the complete wiring harness?
Buy a manual harness that is the same year and options that your car has (i.e. Mag shocks).
Note: If you purchase a MN12 transmission (Z06), it will have a trans temp sensor installed. You will then need to buy a Z06 trans harness that has the two-wire connector that connects to the trans temp sensor. The MN6 trans does not have that option.