How to replace the (p1416) air check valve??
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Wow, thanks for the info Bill! I get P1415 once every month or two. I've been meaning to replace it, but now I'll try cleaning it out.
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Holy Smokes! Thanks for taking the time to put this together Bill - I'm getting the code (and I believe it's indicating the dreaded passenger side!)
I was tempted to just edit out the code with HPT as I don't think this effects normal operation (?)
Somebody remind me when I do a H/C upgrade to pull all this funly AIR stuff +out+ (might actually be able to swap plugs without maiming myself )
Thanks again!
I was tempted to just edit out the code with HPT as I don't think this effects normal operation (?)
Somebody remind me when I do a H/C upgrade to pull all this funly AIR stuff +out+ (might actually be able to swap plugs without maiming myself )
Thanks again!
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Holy Smokes! Thanks for taking the time to put this together Bill - I'm getting the code (and I believe it's indicating the dreaded passenger side!)
I was tempted to just edit out the code with HPT as I don't think this effects normal operation (?)
Somebody remind me when I do a H/C upgrade to pull all this funly AIR stuff +out+ (might actually be able to swap plugs without maiming myself )
Thanks again!
I was tempted to just edit out the code with HPT as I don't think this effects normal operation (?)
Somebody remind me when I do a H/C upgrade to pull all this funly AIR stuff +out+ (might actually be able to swap plugs without maiming myself )
Thanks again!
BC
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Absolutely, I checked out all the lines/locations using your instructions, so I just need to score some carb cleaner. I will definitely try that first
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Thx! I'll try the carb cleaner/WD-40 technique to avoid bruised knuckles! I've noticed a weird thing when I run my A/C for a long road trip. Usually after about 1.5 hrs of running the a/c, all of a sudden the output of air drops down and even w/ the fan on max setting, there still isn't much air coming out the vents. I wonder if this valve is the cause of this problem? What does this air pump/valve thingy do anyway?
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Hey Bill, first off, an excellent writeup. Secondly, a couple questions for you:
Why and how is the output side of the air pump vacuum controlled?
How does the ECM know the AIR system isnt working? is there just some cold start AFR threshold, and if the AFR is richer than this threshold, then the ECM knows that the AIR system isnt working?
I disconnected my AIR system and now Ive got a check engine light. How can I get this light to shut off without taking my car to a tuner?
thanks! -Quin
Why and how is the output side of the air pump vacuum controlled?
How does the ECM know the AIR system isnt working? is there just some cold start AFR threshold, and if the AFR is richer than this threshold, then the ECM knows that the AIR system isnt working?
I disconnected my AIR system and now Ive got a check engine light. How can I get this light to shut off without taking my car to a tuner?
thanks! -Quin
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I believe the air pump system really only operates while the car is cold and warming up to help reduce emissions. The self diagnostic test is done well after the car is warmed up and in a closed-loop cruising mode.
So, the reason a P1416 code is thrown when the check valve behind the engine is stuck is because the valve isn't letting fresh air into the RH exhaust manifold, and then the O2 sensor output doesn't drop enough and the computer sees that as a fault.
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I just got the P1416 code today too. Someone in this thread mentioned that the check valve guts has some plastic material in it? If so, I'm wondering if carb cleaner can harm the plastic?
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Cleaning is the way to go, and works for most people. If cleaning doesn't clear up the trouble-code, then check valve replacement, or hose/gasket replacement (due to air leaks) might be required.
I used some carb cleaner to clean both check valves to try and get rid of my P1416 trouble-code and Check Engine Light. Pulled the AIR hose open at the splice next to the windshield washer fluid tank (no clamps there), and sprayed ALOT of carb cleaner down the hose. Then used compressed air at about 25 psi to blow the cleaner through the AIR hose system to both check valves. Repeated the process a couple more times, and probably used 1/3 or more of the can of carb cleaner. Blew air through the system for awhile after the last douching of the system to evaporate the carb cleaner before firing up the engine. Reconnected the AIR hose and fired it up. Had some funky exhaust smells until everything burned off inside the exhaust system. BTW - carb cleaner was CRC brand, and it says it's safe for O2 sensors and catalytic converters.
Drove the car a few different times and checked for P1416 after each drive. NO CODES found. Seems the carb cleaner cleaning method worked for now. I didn't use any WD-40, as I'm not sure what that might do to the O2 sensors and cats. I had pulled the AIR tube off of the check valve on the drivers side before cleaning the system, and noticed a slight oil residue on the inside of the tube. I think the valves let a little blow by go backward through them, and with time they get gunked up with exhaust residue, and the heat might make the residue even worse with time. Carb cleaner is good for cutting oily residue and carbon build up. Not sure if using WD-40 might end up causing more residue in the check valves due to heat. Sticking with straight carb cleaner seemed to work fine for me.
I used some carb cleaner to clean both check valves to try and get rid of my P1416 trouble-code and Check Engine Light. Pulled the AIR hose open at the splice next to the windshield washer fluid tank (no clamps there), and sprayed ALOT of carb cleaner down the hose. Then used compressed air at about 25 psi to blow the cleaner through the AIR hose system to both check valves. Repeated the process a couple more times, and probably used 1/3 or more of the can of carb cleaner. Blew air through the system for awhile after the last douching of the system to evaporate the carb cleaner before firing up the engine. Reconnected the AIR hose and fired it up. Had some funky exhaust smells until everything burned off inside the exhaust system. BTW - carb cleaner was CRC brand, and it says it's safe for O2 sensors and catalytic converters.
Drove the car a few different times and checked for P1416 after each drive. NO CODES found. Seems the carb cleaner cleaning method worked for now. I didn't use any WD-40, as I'm not sure what that might do to the O2 sensors and cats. I had pulled the AIR tube off of the check valve on the drivers side before cleaning the system, and noticed a slight oil residue on the inside of the tube. I think the valves let a little blow by go backward through them, and with time they get gunked up with exhaust residue, and the heat might make the residue even worse with time. Carb cleaner is good for cutting oily residue and carbon build up. Not sure if using WD-40 might end up causing more residue in the check valves due to heat. Sticking with straight carb cleaner seemed to work fine for me.
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Predator work around to p1416 p1415
Hey guys,
I have a p1416 error... and just passed my smog test.
Pretty funny work around, I had my engine warm, removed the Predator sport tune, then took it in for smog. I remembered the part wasn't failing before I installed the Predator tune. The Predator flashed the computer with my old data as well as my old error codes . P1416 wasn't there till the next day. Unfortunately I still have to reset it constantly.
Chris
I have a p1416 error... and just passed my smog test.
Pretty funny work around, I had my engine warm, removed the Predator sport tune, then took it in for smog. I remembered the part wasn't failing before I installed the Predator tune. The Predator flashed the computer with my old data as well as my old error codes . P1416 wasn't there till the next day. Unfortunately I still have to reset it constantly.
Chris
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Super stuff!! Bill comes through again!!
I get the CHECK ENGINE light from the 1416 once in awhile, it lights up just as the engine comes up to operating temperature. I've just been re-setting it.
I'm sure going to try cleaning the sucker!!
Thanks ... RonJ ...
I get the CHECK ENGINE light from the 1416 once in awhile, it lights up just as the engine comes up to operating temperature. I've just been re-setting it.
I'm sure going to try cleaning the sucker!!
Thanks ... RonJ ...
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please let us know how you make out. Good luck
Bill