Is there an ideal shock for lowered C5 Corvettes without going coilovers?
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Is there an ideal shock for lowered C5 Corvettes without going coilovers?
I've ran my car pretty low before. Aftermarket lowering bolts in the rear and front stock bolts lowered all the way down. Stock 30k mile original C5 shocks still on board.
I ultimately end up raising it back up as the car bottoms out so hard over big bumps at speed. I don't quite care so much about dragging on the ground getting in or out of parking lots or speed bumps but that is not the issue.
When this thing bottoms out going over say a set of railroad tracks at 35mph it is violent.
I'm sure the car would bottom out less with new Z shocks on it but I really don't want a harsher ride in any way.
Is there something out there with a better shock travel length for lowered C5s? Does this create secondary problems like tire rubbing?
I guess I want my cake and eat it too.
I ultimately end up raising it back up as the car bottoms out so hard over big bumps at speed. I don't quite care so much about dragging on the ground getting in or out of parking lots or speed bumps but that is not the issue.
When this thing bottoms out going over say a set of railroad tracks at 35mph it is violent.
I'm sure the car would bottom out less with new Z shocks on it but I really don't want a harsher ride in any way.
Is there something out there with a better shock travel length for lowered C5s? Does this create secondary problems like tire rubbing?
I guess I want my cake and eat it too.
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Bilstein B8. Or if you can spend a little more, Silver's coilovers will get you as low as you want to go without affecting spring preload and or shock stroke.
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Thank you heggs. I have never really researched the Bilsteins. I didn't know they had a shorter shock. That could be promising as long as they don't ride like a lumber wagon.
I will look up the Silvers too. I am not against coilovers but I don't mind the dead simplicity of the stock leafs.
I will look up the Silvers too. I am not against coilovers but I don't mind the dead simplicity of the stock leafs.
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The Bilsteins definitely don't have a plush ride haha. On my perfectly calibrated shock dyno (aka compressing them with my hands), I determined that their compression was on par with OEM Z51 shocks, but the rebound is where they made a huge difference. But of course a tighter rebound decreases comfort.
If you already have Z51 suspension, the ride won't get noticeably worse. If you're starting with a lower FE setup, maybe not the best choice.
I understand what you mean about the stock setup. I didn't plan on changing until I lowered the car more than the rear leaf liked. I've been happy with the Silver's though. Easy install and easy to adjust (which you don't really need to do after you dial them in unless you want to). The fact that the spring preload and shock stroke doesn't change when adjusting ride is really what sold me on them.
If you already have Z51 suspension, the ride won't get noticeably worse. If you're starting with a lower FE setup, maybe not the best choice.
I understand what you mean about the stock setup. I didn't plan on changing until I lowered the car more than the rear leaf liked. I've been happy with the Silver's though. Easy install and easy to adjust (which you don't really need to do after you dial them in unless you want to). The fact that the spring preload and shock stroke doesn't change when adjusting ride is really what sold me on them.
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I went with bilsteins sports I believe... and I lowered the car 3/4 an inch. The bilsteins will handle the lowered car and even if I went lower and still rides great.
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Like mentioned, the Bilstein Sports have a shorter length to accommodate lowered cars. The Doug Rippie valved Bilstein shocks are a great value, and a step above the off the shelf sports. I run some JRi non adjustable shocks with leaf springs on my car for competition and like them a lot, but they carry a higher price tag. They also ride more rough, but damp out very quickly. Ride is subjective though.
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I know you said without coilovers, but I think the Silvers coilovers are going to be your best bet; The other shocks mentioned here will all work with your setup, but I don't think you'll be happy with the ride quality. Coilovers will let you be as low as you want without the ride being really harsh.
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I know you said without coilovers, but I think the Silvers coilovers are going to be your best bet; The other shocks mentioned here will all work with your setup, but I don't think you'll be happy with the ride quality. Coilovers will let you be as low as you want without the ride being really harsh.
That being said. There are a LOT more adjustable shocks out there than I knew of until doing some searching. Fox/Ridetechs, Konis, QA1s, and a couple others I think I've seen.
Even QA1 now has single and double adjustable shocks for C5 C6 Corvettes at reasonable pricing and they're made in the USA and rebuildable. They may be in the current lead for my general uses. You can get the single adjustables which I'm fine with for around 600 to 650 for all 4.
It looks like the Z shocks have gone up in price to around 425 bucks now.
Looks like the Bilsteins are pushing 500 now.
Thankfully I don't need them right away but it might be something I pursue this summer.
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Ride is subjective to how you drive and personal tastes.
All I know is I’ve used Bilstein sports and they were better than Z06 but the Z06 I had were 5 yrs old @15k mi. I liked the ride (Bilstein) have and IMHO they are more controlled and the comfort level was better except for a very small bit stiffer over pavement joint at about 30
All I know is I’ve used Bilstein sports and they were better than Z06 but the Z06 I had were 5 yrs old @15k mi. I liked the ride (Bilstein) have and IMHO they are more controlled and the comfort level was better except for a very small bit stiffer over pavement joint at about 30
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I lowered on stock bolts with the Bilstein Sport shocks as they are a tad shorter and makes my C5 ride like a caddy. Had this set up since 2003. Not harsh. Now my seats were modded by Carveggios’s of Toronto so the seats are more cushy and extended shoulder support.
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Biggest issue with C5 being lowered is the neutralizing the buckboard effect of both leaf springs. When the car is lowered the spring starts from a more relaxed pressure point. Then travel is shortened.
The only shocks that can deal with this are the are internally capable of "varying rate" adjustabiity are Koni Reds and GM magnaride
Bilstein sports won't. Neither will all the fancy single and double rate adjustable rate shocks. They only adjust %'s not speed or weight. They are "fixed rate" adjust only. Meaning at small load short travel they're as hard as full length, full travel motions VS an adjustable rate shock is softer/faster at low speed, low force and much stiffer at high speed full travel. Which is why a Bilstein sport is good for track and a Koni Red works better on the street
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The problem with Koni Reds is they're worth as much as my whole car.
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I can't imagine the poor engineers who were handed the truck style leaf spring some brilliant bean counter figured would cut costs enough to sort of, almost ride OK.
Even the highest rate Z06 springs that came on the car are probably pretty tired, after some 20 yrs now?
If you buy a decent shock and a new transleaf you still wouldn't get the level of control or ride quality a decent double adjustable coilover set gives you now. Times have changed. The car needs to also, especially dealing with suspension and controlling a lowered C5
I can't imagine the poor engineers who were handed the truck style leaf spring some brilliant bean counter figured would cut costs enough to sort of, almost ride OK.
Even the highest rate Z06 springs that came on the car are probably pretty tired, after some 20 yrs now?
If you buy a decent shock and a new transleaf you still wouldn't get the level of control or ride quality a decent double adjustable coilover set gives you now. Times have changed. The car needs to also, especially dealing with suspension and controlling a lowered C5
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Turns out Sports are the same length as HD Bilsteins with an important caveat; Sports are specifically valved for heavier loads which is why people bitch about their poor ride quality.
Biggest issue with C5 being lowered is the neutralizing the buckboard effect of both leaf springs. When the car is lowered the spring starts from a more relaxed pressure point. Then travel is shortened.
The only shocks that can deal with this are the are internally capable of "varying rate" adjustabiity are Koni Reds and GM magnaride
Bilstein sports won't. Neither will all the fancy single and double rate adjustable rate shocks. They only adjust %'s not speed or weight. They are "fixed rate" adjust only. Meaning at small load short travel they're as hard as full length, full travel motions VS an adjustable rate shock is softer/faster at low speed, low force and much stiffer at high speed full travel. Which is why a Bilstein sport is good for track and a Koni Red works better on the street
Biggest issue with C5 being lowered is the neutralizing the buckboard effect of both leaf springs. When the car is lowered the spring starts from a more relaxed pressure point. Then travel is shortened.
The only shocks that can deal with this are the are internally capable of "varying rate" adjustabiity are Koni Reds and GM magnaride
Bilstein sports won't. Neither will all the fancy single and double rate adjustable rate shocks. They only adjust %'s not speed or weight. They are "fixed rate" adjust only. Meaning at small load short travel they're as hard as full length, full travel motions VS an adjustable rate shock is softer/faster at low speed, low force and much stiffer at high speed full travel. Which is why a Bilstein sport is good for track and a Koni Red works better on the street
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What the OP was asking about was a “best well rounded DD street” responsive shock. Maybe your Bilstein’s were an older generation model that had softer settings.
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Everyone has a valid perspective. But everyone also has different types of driving habits and criteria that unfortunately there is no one magic bullet for.
What the OP was asking about was a “best well rounded DD street” responsive shock. Maybe your Bilstein’s were an older generation model that had softer settings.
What the OP was asking about was a “best well rounded DD street” responsive shock. Maybe your Bilstein’s were an older generation model that had softer settings.