[Z06] 00 Cobra R vs C5Z?
10-12-2009, 01:08 PM
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00 Cobra R vs C5Z?
Just wanted a little info on how the Cobra R stacked up against the Z. Ive searched but couldnt find any info. I was mainly looking for threads etc that dated back to 01. Reason why im looking is because of a debate that took place on another forum where a R owner was giving info about the two cars. The info he gave was different from what I always thought. Basically he said the R beat the 01Z in comparison test.
Does anybody remember the numbers from 01 or any mag articles? I have always liked the 00R but I didnt know it was faster than the Z of that time. Please no arguments or anything, im just trying to find facts. Below is the info he gave everyone:
Does anybody remember the numbers from 01 or any mag articles? I have always liked the 00R but I didnt know it was faster than the Z of that time. Please no arguments or anything, im just trying to find facts. Below is the info he gave everyone:
While owning my 2000 Cobra R, I have gathered an extremely large collection of facts from that 2000/01/02 time period. Many of the magazines were 2000 Cobra R features only, but some have the 2000R in the arena with the 2001 Z06 and others have all three, the 00R, Z06 and Viper. The 385h.p. 2000 Cobra R was no slouch against the 385h.p. Z06, it out pulled the Z06, out braked and out skid padded the Z06............so much for no hope of winning. It seems as time goes by, facts are forgotten.
This is one of my favorite magazine clips for that era.............
I must admit that the 2000 Cobra R lost this race after a 2-3 mis-shift by the editor (as mentioned in the feature), but it still ran a 12.85 to the Z06 12.78. Car and Drive did a side-by-side thrashing, 168 top speed for the 01 Z06, 177 top speed for the 00R. <<Not bad for a Ford assy. line pony car from that era, especially against GM's top of the line premier sports car.
I have many, many more comparision numbers if they are needed, Z06 .96g on the skid pad, 00R 1.02g..........
Other facts, the Z06 was approx. 200lbs lighter that the heavy 2000 Cobra R, even with the 00R deletes. These magazines are good reading, it brings back the reality of what is fact and what is not, from the time period when both cars were new and tested by the magazines. 12.51@111.94mph was the best 1/4 mile I have found on the 2000 Cobra R, again, not bad for a pony car from that era. The Camaro SS was not in that league, and the Corvette guys were crying foul.
But it's just a Mustang............and no Super Charger!?!?!? :??:
R
This is one of my favorite magazine clips for that era.............
I must admit that the 2000 Cobra R lost this race after a 2-3 mis-shift by the editor (as mentioned in the feature), but it still ran a 12.85 to the Z06 12.78. Car and Drive did a side-by-side thrashing, 168 top speed for the 01 Z06, 177 top speed for the 00R. <<Not bad for a Ford assy. line pony car from that era, especially against GM's top of the line premier sports car.
I have many, many more comparision numbers if they are needed, Z06 .96g on the skid pad, 00R 1.02g..........
Other facts, the Z06 was approx. 200lbs lighter that the heavy 2000 Cobra R, even with the 00R deletes. These magazines are good reading, it brings back the reality of what is fact and what is not, from the time period when both cars were new and tested by the magazines. 12.51@111.94mph was the best 1/4 mile I have found on the 2000 Cobra R, again, not bad for a pony car from that era. The Camaro SS was not in that league, and the Corvette guys were crying foul.
But it's just a Mustang............and no Super Charger!?!?!? :??:
R
Umm, YES. The document first shown below is directly from the 2000 Cobra R Black Binder that was included with each 2000 Cobra, unless it disappeared before the buyer bought the car, and this did happen. But anyway, the page shown below directly relates the 2000 Cobra R (by SVT) to the cars I have mentioned (Z06 and Viper), not the Camaro of that era.
Second to last paragraph says it all...............
The page shown above was part of the document shown below..........
As I have mentioned previous in this thread, the 2000 Cobra R was the starting point for the Mustang (a pony car) to compete with the "Big Boys", and the current pony car offerings have some catching up to do.
BTW - The Ford GT, it came along 5 years later, and I'll just bet that some of the 5.4L DOHC technology and engineering learned from the 2000 Cobra R project was used in the Ford GT, maybe not much, but some.
If you do have Ford/SVT documents disputing the SVT documents I have shown above, I would be very interested in seeing them, please post them. There was a reason why the main stream magazines put super cars like the Z06 and Viper in the ring with the 2000 Cobra R, the reason, Ford/SVT said that those contenders were what the 2000 Cobra R was built to compete against, and it did. In those 2000/2001 tests, the Viper took the first place position in most tests while the Z06 and 00R slugged it out, and the Corvette guys did not like a Mustang standing tall in the ring with them............:kaboom:
R
Second to last paragraph says it all...............
The page shown above was part of the document shown below..........
As I have mentioned previous in this thread, the 2000 Cobra R was the starting point for the Mustang (a pony car) to compete with the "Big Boys", and the current pony car offerings have some catching up to do.
BTW - The Ford GT, it came along 5 years later, and I'll just bet that some of the 5.4L DOHC technology and engineering learned from the 2000 Cobra R project was used in the Ford GT, maybe not much, but some.
If you do have Ford/SVT documents disputing the SVT documents I have shown above, I would be very interested in seeing them, please post them. There was a reason why the main stream magazines put super cars like the Z06 and Viper in the ring with the 2000 Cobra R, the reason, Ford/SVT said that those contenders were what the 2000 Cobra R was built to compete against, and it did. In those 2000/2001 tests, the Viper took the first place position in most tests while the Z06 and 00R slugged it out, and the Corvette guys did not like a Mustang standing tall in the ring with them............:kaboom:
R
10-12-2009, 01:29 PM
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While I do not have any facts at my fingertips to quote, I would agree with the things the guy posted in the parts that you quoted from the other forum. The 00Rs had 385hp (some say underrated), some decent suspension and brake parts as well as a few aero aids. From what I remember, the comparisons from that time frame all had it on par with the 01 Z06.
In my opinion (long time SVT Cobra owner and recent Z06 owner), I would say that the 02-04 Z06s would probably take the 00R. I would definitely like to see that match up just to see for certain.
I'd be interested if anyone can dig up any other articles from the time period.
In my opinion (long time SVT Cobra owner and recent Z06 owner), I would say that the 02-04 Z06s would probably take the 00R. I would definitely like to see that match up just to see for certain.
I'd be interested if anyone can dig up any other articles from the time period.
10-12-2009, 02:18 PM
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It does make a little sense. They both had around the same power, both had decent suspensions and brakes, but the Z didnt have the aero aids. I dont know if 25hp would have made a difference but didnt the 02-04 have a mild suspension tweak? I know for sure the 04's did.
What year SVT's did you have? Im going to try to pick up a 95 Hardtop vert Cobra next summer myself.
What year SVT's did you have? Im going to try to pick up a 95 Hardtop vert Cobra next summer myself.
10-12-2009, 02:24 PM
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10-12-2009, 02:27 PM
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There is a magazine video that compared the cobra r/ Z06, and viper, in standing 1/4, sloam, braking, 0-60, and a few other things. Its online somewhere,(R/T, m/t?) I remember the Z winning overall. Google...Car and Driver Z06 Cobra R, and you'll find the article, I'm still looking for the vid.
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10-12-2009, 03:11 PM
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I can tell you about my experience with GT500 at Roebling Road. I think it was twin turbo, way more car than the CobraR. The owner was a nice guy and had done about 50 track events. I ran with him quite a few times and while he would pull away on the long straights from my Z06, he would always come over shaking his head because his car could not hang with my in the turns. His car was a 70k + car and he even had coil overs on it too. My 2001 Z06 had about 75k miles on it and I paid just a little over 15k for it.
Drag racing isn't everything. The Z06 is a true race car!
Ohh, here's a vid showing the GT500 and me hunting him down. Big file, might take a few min to download.
http://downloads.dataxperts.net/Roeb...rch%202009.wmv
Drag racing isn't everything. The Z06 is a true race car!
Ohh, here's a vid showing the GT500 and me hunting him down. Big file, might take a few min to download.
http://downloads.dataxperts.net/Roeb...rch%202009.wmv
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10-12-2009, 03:24 PM
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No not really talking about drag racing. We were really talking about cornering etc at a track. Ive seen the Vids you all posted and thats why I thought the Z was faster but the numbers he gave threw me off. So I decided to seek more info.
10-12-2009, 03:28 PM
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I can tell you about my experience with GT500 at Roebling Road. I think it was twin turbo, way more car than the CobraR. The owner was a nice guy and had done about 50 track events. I ran with him quite a few times and while he would pull away on the long straights from my Z06, he would always come over shaking his head because his car could not hang with my in the turns. His car was a 70k + car and he even had coil overs on it too. My 2001 Z06 had about 75k miles on it and I paid just a little over 15k for it.
Drag racing isn't everything. The Z06 is a true race car!
Ohh, here's a vid showing the GT500 and me hunting him down. Big file, might take a few min to download.
http://downloads.dataxperts.net/Roeb...rch%202009.wmv
Drag racing isn't everything. The Z06 is a true race car!
Ohh, here's a vid showing the GT500 and me hunting him down. Big file, might take a few min to download.
http://downloads.dataxperts.net/Roeb...rch%202009.wmv
Im not really concerned with drag racing though but more with the other info I was told. How the 00R out braked, got 1.02g vs 96g, and so on.
10-12-2009, 03:47 PM
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I still own the two in my sig. A heavily modified 99 hardtop that is for sale and the 01 vert we have had since brand new.
As for the mention of the GT500, there is no comparison of a 00R to a GT500. Totally different cars. The 00R had factory items deleted off the car for some weight savings, different springs and shocks from the norm, aero aids, etc. The GT500 on the other hand has an Eaton supercharger and some other goodies and weighs in close to if not over 4000 with a driver and full interior. And a ton of that weight is over the nose. With a roots style blower, intercooler, etc all on the nose, the car is far from a 50/50 balance. Which is why they corner like crap. I have chased down a couple of GT500s with my little 400hp 99 Cobra because I could corner better than them.
10-12-2009, 04:45 PM
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The 2000 Cobra R was a monster but you had to give up a lot to get it. As I recall no radio, A/C eletric windows ect. and it had a hefty sticker price too.
It was basically a factory race car that you could pick-up and take to the track because it had all of the popular mods and upgrades. It was suppose to be a hell of a deal for a ready-to-go track car but a **** poor road car.
It was basically a factory race car that you could pick-up and take to the track because it had all of the popular mods and upgrades. It was suppose to be a hell of a deal for a ready-to-go track car but a **** poor road car.
10-12-2009, 05:50 PM
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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...a_r/index.html
SVT Mustang Cobra R
GENERAL
Vehicle configuration Front engine, rear drive two-door, two-pass. Coupe
Engine type V-8, DOHC, 4 valves/cyl
Displacement, ci/cc 330.1/5409
Engine modifications Carillo connecting rods, forged pistons, McLeod aluminum higher-flow aluminum cylinder heads, Cobra 5.4-liter intake cams, tubular-steel exhaust headers, low-restriction two-piece intake manifold, higher-flow single-bore 80mm throttle body, K&N air filter
Horsepower, hp @ rpm, SAE net 385 @ 5700
Torque, lb-ft @ rpm, SAE net 385 @ 4500
Transmission type 6-speed manual
Tires/wheels BFGoodrich g-Force KD 265/40ZR18/18x19.5 forged aluminum alloy
Other modifications Fuel cell, front splitter air dam, rear-deck spoiler, power-dome hood, Brembo four-piston front calipers, Eibach springs, induction-hardened halfshafts, 3.55 rear axle, T-56 Tremec six-speed manual, Borla mufflers
PERFORMANCE
Acceleration to mph
0-30 mph 2.0
0-40 mph 2.7
0-50 mph 3.6
0-60 mph 4.4
0-70 mph 5.7
0-80 mph 7.0
0-90 mph 8.5
0-100 mph 10.6
Standing quarter mile, sec/mph 12.9/110.8
Braking 60-0 mph, ft 109
Lateral acceleration, g 1.01
Speed through 600-ft slalom, mph 71.1
PERFORMANCE
Base price (stock) $54,995
Price as tested $54,995
SVT Mustang Cobra R
GENERAL
Vehicle configuration Front engine, rear drive two-door, two-pass. Coupe
Engine type V-8, DOHC, 4 valves/cyl
Displacement, ci/cc 330.1/5409
Engine modifications Carillo connecting rods, forged pistons, McLeod aluminum higher-flow aluminum cylinder heads, Cobra 5.4-liter intake cams, tubular-steel exhaust headers, low-restriction two-piece intake manifold, higher-flow single-bore 80mm throttle body, K&N air filter
Horsepower, hp @ rpm, SAE net 385 @ 5700
Torque, lb-ft @ rpm, SAE net 385 @ 4500
Transmission type 6-speed manual
Tires/wheels BFGoodrich g-Force KD 265/40ZR18/18x19.5 forged aluminum alloy
Other modifications Fuel cell, front splitter air dam, rear-deck spoiler, power-dome hood, Brembo four-piston front calipers, Eibach springs, induction-hardened halfshafts, 3.55 rear axle, T-56 Tremec six-speed manual, Borla mufflers
PERFORMANCE
Acceleration to mph
0-30 mph 2.0
0-40 mph 2.7
0-50 mph 3.6
0-60 mph 4.4
0-70 mph 5.7
0-80 mph 7.0
0-90 mph 8.5
0-100 mph 10.6
Standing quarter mile, sec/mph 12.9/110.8
Braking 60-0 mph, ft 109
Lateral acceleration, g 1.01
Speed through 600-ft slalom, mph 71.1
PERFORMANCE
Base price (stock) $54,995
Price as tested $54,995
10-12-2009, 07:05 PM
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The 2000 Cobra R was a monster but you had to give up a lot to get it. As I recall no radio, A/C eletric windows ect. and it had a hefty sticker price too.
It was basically a factory race car that you could pick-up and take to the track because it had all of the popular mods and upgrades. It was suppose to be a hell of a deal for a ready-to-go track car but a **** poor road car.
It was basically a factory race car that you could pick-up and take to the track because it had all of the popular mods and upgrades. It was suppose to be a hell of a deal for a ready-to-go track car but a **** poor road car.
I've seen the vid of the viper, R, and z06 where the z06 wins. Good stuff!
10-12-2009, 08:40 PM
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I've got the only two numbers between the 00R and the C5Z that matter.
00R - 300
C5Z - 28388
00R - 300
C5Z - 28388
10-12-2009, 10:25 PM
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I own both a bone stock C5 Z06 and a modified 2003 Cobra. My Cobra has every suspension mod you can imagine, its set up for road racing. With all the mods my Cobra has, the C5 Z06 blows it away. I feel absolutely confident cornering with the vette, no fear of pushing it. With the cobra, no way, I can never tell what its gonna do, feels down right scary at times.
10-12-2009, 10:40 PM
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Well there you go.. Nuff said...
I own both a bone stock C5 Z06 and a modified 2003 Cobra. My Cobra has every suspension mod you can imagine, its set up for road racing. With all the mods my Cobra has, the C5 Z06 blows it away. I feel absolutely confident cornering with the vette, no fear of pushing it. With the cobra, no way, I can never tell what its gonna do, feels down right scary at times.