Mr.Bill

Hahahahaha, This is funny.

ElSeano80

Such a wasteful argument. Why are we comparing apples to oranges? WRX, EVO, etc. are/were all built with a road race car in mind, nobody on the engineering team of either said their cars were made to compete with the fbodies/mustangs through the 1/4 mile. The lsX fbodies were built with straight line in mind, had the evo's and wrx's been around I'm sure gm's team would have said their build had nothing to do with competing with the road race import cars. Yet this debate still exists on forums all over. Would my camaro beat a wrx on a road course? Hell no, but wtf do i care? I'll beat his a$$ to the next stoplight though. Apples and oranges ppl...

clayton1

As is the case with gas mileage too.

ElSeano80

Light 4 bangers vs. heavy v8's. This is a no brainer... Does anyone actually buy a camaro in hopes of it getting 30+ mpg?

MilleniumVette

I enjoy my Vette for it's purposes. I enjoy my '96 Camaro for it's purposes.

Jonota

Is it just me, or does this thread almost sound like a "upper-crust" version of the old "this car's better in a straight line" vs "this car's better in the twisties"?

For the F-body haters, the few Auto-X's I attended in Hawaii had some interesting showings. One of which was a Camaro that kept most of the crowd scratching it's head. With limited power modifications (cat-back and CAI), stock suspension, and some sticky tires, the LS1Camaro was tearing just about EVERYTHING up. Evo's, STi's, Vette's (and yes, some with good tires too). On one day in particular, it took the second best overall time, behind a full suspension prepped race 280Z.

Jon

jbelant

The U.S. version of the Evo and STI are rated 22mpg and 23mpg highway. That isn't so hot, either.

LCS51

you know its funny when you talk about handling. I didnt do much on my 99 ws6..I had bmr sway bars, tower bar, and some bilstein shocks. in my old area we had a bunch of twisty turn back roads. I found it hilarious when people in wrx's and the tuners couldnt keep up with a 4300lb "straight line" car.

ChargedGN

Let me start this by saying, love the C5 and am currently in the market for one.
But! us Turbo Buick guys have been waiting for 20+yrs for the rest to catch up
My POS looking(compared to the C5) 86ttype,stock, 90k mi, runs 12.3's on 92oct untuned in street form. My GN with just a few bolt on's has run 11.7, and this was 7yrs ago Both cars get 23-25mpg highway.
Granted they don't handle or brake very well but with upgrades they could.
I was at the track last weekend with my 86 and watched C5-C6 Z06's struggle to stay with my POS. BTW I paid $5,500 for the car

Vital Velocity

This is true but keep in mind it took the corvette some time to catch up to the japanese sports cars in the early nineties

300zx twin turbo
Supra turbo
rx7 turbo
3000GT Vr-4
Dodge Stealth

Shirl

That's what I'm talking about.... woulda had a GN if I kept looking... but settled for a C5. In my eyes, you just can't beat technology though. GM should have thrown a turbo on the LS1 then it would take 20 years for EVERYONE else to catch up!

LCS51

true but they also quick ceased on the grand national because it was faster than the vette. I guess i should have told everyone that i meant the 97s and up ls1 cars.

71vetteinva

I was thinking about this recently, just look at a used C5 compared to the upcoming 2010 Camaro. The V6 Camaro will be about $25k get 26 mpg highway, 300 hp and run about 14.5s in the 1/4 mile. The Camaro SS will run mid 13's and cost at least $30k. Not that impressive compared to a 1997 C5, that is not only faster, but is 700 lbs lighter and should get the same fuel economy as the V6 Camaro.

The Corvette even has a bigger trunk! You have to really want that backseat...

Used C5's are have got to be the best performance deal out there. There are so many low mileage examples still out there with really attractive pricing.

motogib1

In my trips to the strip, I've never seen an SRT8 in the 12s, don't think they will do it stock, more like 13.4 s. Still, 1/4 is not the measure of a sports car and the camaro and SRT8s are not sports cars. Never driven an EVO or an STI so I am not going to trash them. But if I can beat rice at the track, that would make me smile. By the way, I got absolutely stomped by a beater looking LS1 Firebird at Kilkare. It ran 11.7 to my 12.7 which was not a good run for me with the mods I had at that time. The LS1 F-bodies are a good car for the 1/4 milers.

Millenium Z06

See'em all the time time here at the track, most do run in the low 13's but I've seen quite a few stock ones hit 12:90. Check the SRT8 boards.

ElSeano80

I will own a GN someday, i love those frickin cars!! Turbo buicks were kings of the road in their day.

motogib1

Didn't me too offend anyone, I'll take your word on that.

tstar

Performance is a compilation of several factors power, handling, traction, arodynamics ect (might I mention *gasp* reliablilty!). Most Americans have a 1/4 mile or NASCAR mindset so vehicles are marketed towards that uniquely American performace arena. The Grand National mentioned is a prime example of that...

Don't get me wrong straight line racing is as uniquely American as Hotdogs and Baseball and should be supported and kept alive and well!!!!!

Sometimes it's hard to compare apples to apples as we get pretty emotional about our personal cars, and rightly so!
'You stand (drive) on your battleground, choose your weapon wisely." An excellent statement!!!!

screw991le

No, but the best part is when someone runs off at the mouth about gas mileage and it take 5 minutes to explain why the Vette gets better mileage than their Camry, is 3 times faster, 10 times better looking, etc.

LCS51

haha I'm glad I have a vette. I drove from delaware to florida to texas to arizona not long ago, and I only stopped for fuel 4 times, filling up from a quarter tank. I love 6th gear