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Old 08-29-2006, 05:06 PM   #21
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does the middle brace get in the way of oil changes?

anyone using direct lift, model PRO-6MR classic shown on www.bencostuff.com
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does the middle brace get in the way of oil changes?

anyone using direct lift, model PRO-6MR classic shown on www.bencostuff.com
not at all. Here is a pic to give you an idea.



Ive been under my car a dozen times with my NORCO now and about the only thing I can tell you I cant do would be clutch work which I also believe involves removing the torque Tube for.

Suspension or exhaust work, brake work, REAR Diff or Tranny fluid changes, OIL Changes, are done with no interference. You can remove the exhaust and and even drop and inspect the catalytic converters
In fact, if I knew how to drop my turbos, I could even do that (as you can tell in the pic!)
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does the middle brace get in the way of oil changes?

anyone using direct lift, model PRO-6MR classic shown on www.bencostuff.com
The PRO-6MR is a midrise lift and its pretty much a clone to the 2 mid-rise lifts discussed in this thread. Its one of the lesser expensive mid-rise lifts out there. Ya might want to check over the dimensions though. Before I bought my NORCO, I spent a long time i researching MIDRISE Lifts. They may all look the same but they vary in dimensions, workmanship and warranties.
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That scissors lift looks as dangerous as Hell.
I wouldn't get under it for love nor money.
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That scissors lift looks as dangerous as Hell.
I wouldn't get under it for love nor money.
yup, very very dangerous. Cars have been known to tip over
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Old 08-29-2006, 07:55 PM   #26
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Old 08-29-2006, 09:08 PM   #27
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That scissors lift looks as dangerous as Hell.
I wouldn't get under it for love nor money.
To give you some perspective, the lift itself weighs about 40% of the car weight.. It's not a toy. It has hydraulic and mechanical lockouts and I'm guessing was engineered to lift in the neighborhood of 8000lbs (2,000 over capacity).

But, opinions vary
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Awesome job Chris!!!!

Now when are we goin' cruisin'?
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does the middle brace get in the way of oil changes?

anyone using direct lift, model PRO-6MR classic shown on www.bencostuff.com
The Pro-6MR is a clone.. It's about $300 less than the Bend-Pak version. For my money, I went with the unit where I knew the actual manufacturer.

Re your question about oil changes - the lift is nowhere near in the way:



Hey, where are MY turbo's Mark?

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Excellent writeup and pictures You've provided some great info, Thanks!
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To give you some perspective, the lift itself weighs about 40% of the car weight.. It's not a toy. It has hydraulic and mechanical lockouts and I'm guessing was engineered to lift in the neighborhood of 8000lbs (2,000 over capacity).

But, opinions vary

there is a shop in West Palm Beach, not to far from me, that actually has one of these. I dont know who the manufacturer of the mid-rise is. Its black in color and the shop manager told me that they have had it for a few years and use it for brake work, tire totation, etc
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The Pro-6MR is a clone.. It's about $300 less than the Bend-Pak version. For my money, I went with the unit where I knew the actual manufacturer.

Re your question about oil changes - the lift is nowhere near in the way:



Hey, where are MY turbo's Mark?

You must have them hidden in the rear somewhere.

Chris's picture above is an excellent shot showing how virtually nothing on the C5 is obstructed by the lift except the frame itself. (other cars may be different). And there is I believe even more clear access in the rear.

The only limitation on the lift is the 48" max height (or 52" with the extenders) which even if there was no limit, my 9' 4" ceiling would be a height limitation as well. Many owners have this same garage limitation.

Thats why a a 2 post lift is a waste of money (unless you do lots of tranny and drivetrain work) and its also not portable. Plus you have to drill into concrete. With midrise lifts there is no drilling and you have portability

I do my work on a mechanic's seat I bought from Harbor Freight. I've also done light rear work quite comfortabaly on a creeper with the lift suspended about 18" off the ground. Nice thing about lifts is the height flexibility

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does the middle brace get in the way of oil changes?

anyone using direct lift, model PRO-6MR classic shown on www.bencostuff.com

i just oredered it today, should be here next week
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i just oredered it today, should be here next week
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After many months of looking at mid-rise scissor lifts, I (and a lack of Norco distributors locally) decided to purchase a Bend-Pak MD-6XP.

I tried to buy this from www.asedeals.com, but their 'guaranteed lowest price' is B.S. - they go as low as they say they can, but won't price match if they don't like the margin. IMO -Don't buy from them.

I contacted a local distributor - www.bencostuff.com - and they were easy to buy from and have provided great service thus far.

Scissor 'or' 4 Post
Not at all trying to get into this long-debated topic. I have a pretty good sized garage and don’t need the extra space of a four-post lift at this time.

I wanted to be able to get under the C5, but also be able to get the wheels off quickly without additional bottle/air jacks that are commonly used with four-posters. I also thought that this type of lift would make wheel detailing or cleaning out the car a lot easier.

If I add another car, I’ll exceed the 4 current space capacity and will get a 4 post at that time.

Delivery and Install (Sorry No Pics)
When you have a truck with a hoist on the back, it makes short work of what would have been a real PIA for even a few guys. If you buy from an online company, be prepared to pay some extra for a lift-gate service to bring it down to ground level. At a minimum, you would want an engine lift capable of the 1300 lbs (with pallet/shipping materials) to move the lift into your garage and to remove the lift from the pallet.

I don’t have a hoist, so I decided to pay the $200 extra to have Benco deliver and set the lift up.

The setup of the lift was very simple:
  • Remove from pallet
  • Unpack the arms/blocks/screws/pump mechanism
  • Attach the hydraulic line from the lift to the pump mechanism
  • Pour approx 1.75 gallons of hydraulic fluid into the pump mechanism
  • Plug unit in and press the green button – cycle up and down 2 times.
No priming, no releasing any fluid already in the cylinders, it’s just ready to go from the factory.. Amazingly simple – almost wish I would have bought online


The Lift
Paid $1550 for the lift (plus install/delivery mentioned above).

From what I could gather, the Bend-Pak is regarded very well vs many of the knock-off lifts out there.. Norco is alleged to be the best, but I honestly don’t know what could be more robust on this.. Mark and I will have to compare notes – he’s got the Norco 86002.

The lift comes with a base set of lift pads that are attached to a metal part that slides over the lift arm. It also comes standard with two riser plate sets that are handy if you’re lifting a vehicle that has exhaust or other things hanging below the jacking points. On a std. C5, this isn’t an issue as the bottom is virtually flat. I used my jacking pucks just because I had them, but the rubber lift pad is approximately 1” high and would do the job just fine.

Max lift height – on the the highest mechanical safety – puts the top of the base pad at about 43 inches. That’s essentially 44” from the bottom of the C5 to the floor – FYI in case you were tempted to add the 4 or so inches of ground clearance to the factory figure.

The minimum height listed by the factory with the pads installed is 4 ¾” – that is misleading because the safety mechanism and the hydraulic tubes are both higher than that – important because you may end up dragging your air dam over these parts. The highest ‘low’ point on the lift is the safety – 6.25” off the floor. Plan accordingly.

My car is lowered from stock about an inch due to the Bilstein sports. The quick math told me that my 4” of ground clearance would require a ramp system of at least 2.5 inches – made my decision to go with two 2x12’s stacked pretty easy. (More on the ramps later).

The lift handle has a little metal rod sticking up from it’s base plate. This cleverly allows the lift to be raised on one end (the end without the wheels – front on my pics) and move the lift around dragging it on the rear metal wheels.


My thoughts when I first saw the lift were – ‘wow, this thing is really heavy-duty’. I knew it weighed 1200 lbs or so, but the size of the cylinders/lift arms and magnitude of the welds was very impressive. Looking at it, there was no doubting this could lift it’s rated capacity of 6000 lbs.

The lift is very well suited for the lifting points on the C5 – and the weight of the car is far below the capacity. I actually lifted my X5 4.4i up a couple of feet, but due to the arm extension’s being maxed out and the weight of the truck, I was not nearly as comfortable as I would like to have been.. I personally would NOT work under my SUV in this configuration. Unfortunately, there aren’t a lot of jacking point options on BMW – if you have another truck and can get the jacking points closer to the center of the lift, then you may be better off.

Lot’s of room underneath the C5 with my ramps to move the lift arms into position – you can remove the jacking pad assembly and fold the lift arms over the lift.

I opted for a neutral positioning of the C5 given it’s weight distribution.

It takes about 60 or so seconds to lift the car and about ½ of that if you’re in a hurry to get it down.

NOTE: the lift walks from the back – meaning the front of the lift doesn’t move. You’ll want to plan for that if you’re building ramps (and you will need ramps even with a stock height C5). I’ll cover this in more detail in a future ‘ramp thread’.

Lift after setup


Lift hydraulic tubes – note my size 11 as reference


Lift welds closeup


Lift arms closeup – the lift arms are about ½ plate steel – note my fat finger for comparison


Lift safety – very clever two part design: The black finger and the blue safety catch. When you raise the lift, the black ‘finger’ ratchets the safety over the welded-in stops on the mechanical safety. If you want the lift to stop at a certain height, you lift just past the blue safety catch (before the finger comes down to over-ride the safety). Then just lower down on the mechanical. For me, I think I’ll plan to keep the hydraulics pumped up too along with the mechanical lock – when I’m under the car, more is more.


Lift opened


Lift max height on top mechanical safety


This lift has a lot of open space when elevated – two very big cavities and a very open front and rear – more it would seem than the Norco lift I was planning on getting.

There are more pics below from under my C5, but there shouldn’t be any access problems for most ‘home-grade’ work.


Lift lowered


Lift at max height with my C5


Back shots





Front shots








Lift floorplan:


It’s getting late, so I’ll post the photos/info/specs about my ramp setup in another thread and/or in an edit to this one.

If I can answer any questions about my lift, shoot me a PM and I’ll be happy to try and help.. Mark (Mark’s_C5TT) helped me out quite a bit, but I wasn’t really able to find out much online about the Bend-Pak version of the scissor lift.

All in all, I’m very impressed with the design, ruggedness and ease of use of this scissor lift. I’m looking forward to a whole new world of detailing and modding.


Chris
can you drive your car backwards up that ramp without bottoming out?
it also looks like 3/4" thick (stacked) wood added to the front
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can you drive your car backwards up that ramp without bottoming out?
it also looks like 3/4" thick (stacked) wood added to the front
Backwards shouldn't be a problem at all - the reason I incremented the ramp was for the front air dam which on my car is about 3" off the floor.

The ramps are 1 x 12" pine:

1 - 3' long section on the bottom
1 - 2' long section in the middle
1 - 1' long section on the top

No scaping whatsoever.

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Awesome job Chris!!!!

Now when are we goin' cruisin'?
Hey man,

As soon as it stops raining for more than 2 hours

Took a nice spin this afternoon south of Carver.. lots of fun roads out there.

Let me know when you're around - we'll try to hook up before the weather turns again.

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Old 09-05-2006, 12:06 AM   #39
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I have two of them for the money they can't be beat. No problems of any kind. They will raise over 6 ft. Very simple to install as well, put the wheels under them roll them anywhere.

I'm going to install one next week for a freind will take photo's and put them on when complete.

Made in China, forgot to mention that.
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Default Wow---What a great looking Lift!!!

Great post and pictures!!! Very informative.

We've also got plenty of garage space at this time so a lift for storage isn't high on the list today. Now with that being said I'm pretty sure that a 4 post will be on my list sometime in the next couple of years.

What I like about the scissor lift is the ability to have "instant" access to the wheels/tires for detailing and work.

In my search I've turned up a couple of other lifts and wondered if anybody had any first hand experience with either of them. The first is from (and I hate to say it as I know in a lot of circles they have a less than sterling reputation) Harbor Freight:

http://ww2.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=46604

and the second is from Direct-Lift:

http://www.directlift.com/auto_lifts/pro6mr.html

My initial thought is that I'm going to go with the Bend-Pak but I was curious as to the experiences with these other lifts.
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