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Old 10-23-2014, 09:55 PM
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I have a forged 383 ls6 stroker build with 9.5 /1 is this too low of compression for a base a&a without turning up boost? Anyone running this set up? car has 342 rear and a4, cam 230/236 .61 lift 116 lsa, long tube headers, ported ls6 heads stock ls6 intake and tb. I know I can always throw more money at it later with fuel systems pully etc .but was looking to upgrade tranny first. I mean,it will be substantially quicker than my stock ls1 with same kit and no headers won't it? Please make me feel better while I'm waiting for it to get done! Thanks for any input .


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Old 10-23-2014, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Forcedvert
I have a forged 383 ls6 stroker build with 9.5 /1 is this too low of compression for a base a&a without turning up boost? Anyone running this set up? car has 342 rear and a4, cam 230/236 .61 lift 116 lsa, long tube headers, ported ls6 heads stock ls6 intake and tb. I know I can always throw more money at it later with fuel systems pully etc .but was looking to upgrade tranny first. I mean,it will be substantially quicker than my stock ls1 with same kit and no headers won't it? Please make me feel better while I'm waiting for it to get done! Thanks for any input .


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Car will do good Adam with a good tuner. I still would ger a Kenne Bell BOP on the car now.
Old 10-24-2014, 02:08 AM
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Might be a sluggish a bit on the bottom but far from a mistake. Sounds like a good cam too.
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Originally Posted by Forcedvert
I have a forged 383 ls6 stroker build with 9.5 /1 is this too low of compression for a base a&a without turning up boost? Anyone running this set up? car has 342 rear and a4, cam 230/236 .61 lift 116 lsa, long tube headers, ported ls6 heads stock ls6 intake and tb. I know I can always throw more money at it later with fuel systems pully etc .but was looking to upgrade tranny first. I mean,it will be substantially quicker than my stock ls1 with same kit and no headers won't it? Please make me feel better while I'm waiting for it to get done! Thanks for any input .


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Don't worry the car will feel more than fine! All this talk about being sluggish is nuts...I'm at 8.8:1 and I was told my car would be sluggish off boost....trust me it's not!!
Old 10-24-2014, 06:19 AM
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My iron block is at like 9:1 compression with a stage 3 blower cam. I took the turbo off a couple months ago and have been driving it around N/A. Car will still get up just fine without boost
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Don't worry the car will feel more than fine! All this talk about being sluggish is nuts...I'm at 8.8:1 and I was told my car would be sluggish off boost....trust me it's not!!
M6-A4. Take a blower car from 9.5 to 10.5 with an M6 and you will notice the difference on the street at low RPM's. I've had both. So to me, it feels sluggish since I've had both. You're right, the A4 might be different.
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Originally Posted by robert miller
Car will do good Adam with a good tuner. I still would ger a Kenne Bell BOP on the car now.
Thanks car already has BOP it came with sc kit.

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Old 10-24-2014, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by winters97gt
Might be a sluggish a bit on the bottom but far from a mistake. Sounds like a good cam too.
Do you think it will feel sluggish compared to stock ls1, no headers, with same sc kit as it was before new motor down low? Or just compared to same set up with higher compression?
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Originally Posted by winters97gt
M6-A4. Take a blower car from 9.5 to 10.5 with an M6 and you will notice the difference on the street at low RPM's. I've had both. So to me, it feels sluggish since I've had both. You're right, the A4 might be different.
I think the big difference is when the car is auto it's not like you have control of the rpm band like a manual....with an auto as soon as you hit the throttle and it drops a gear things happen fast...boost kicks in fast. I guess in a manual you can keep it in high gear and still get on the throttle without the revs shooting up like a auto....I guess that's where you would feel the sluggishness
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Originally Posted by c5mtl
I think the big difference is when the car is auto it's not like you have control of the rpm band like a manual....with an auto as soon as you hit the throttle and it drops a gear things happen fast...boost kicks in fast. I guess in a manual you can keep it in high gear and still get on the throttle without the revs shooting up like a auto....I guess that's where you would feel the sluggishness
That is a good explanation of it, now I think I understand where those comments are coming from, thanks for putting me at ease.
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So here's the question: Why would you have a forged engine built and then run low boost? Why not just stick with a stock motor and low boost?
Also, slow and sluggish are personal opinion to some extent. There are plenty of members that think their stock vettes are fast (z or not) and then you have those that have crazy builds but always want more...because a 9 second trip down the quarter mile is an eternity.
If it feels sluggish just crank up the boost until it doesn't!!
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Originally Posted by reactor2
So here's the question: Why would you have a forged engine built and then run low boost? Why not just stick with a stock motor and low boost?
Also, slow and sluggish are personal opinion to some extent. There are plenty of members that think their stock vettes are fast (z or not) and then you have those that have crazy builds but always want more...because a 9 second trip down the quarter mile is an eternity.
If it feels sluggish just crank up the boost until it doesn't!!
Stock motor was toast see original post. So I needed a motor anyway, 9.5 to 1 was what was recommended to me by my mechanics tuner, a well respected guy here!, I know I can "turn up the boost" but I don't have unlimited money and I will need a transmission sooner than later. A built forged long block was not much more $ than non forged with someone else building motor! I was kinda just killing time trying to figure out how car will feel compared to how it was with stock ls1 and sc. Thanks for your input though. I'm sure a fuel system, trans brace, meth, wheels, tires maybe a roll bar, more boost and the list goes on... Are all in the cars future, unless I fall into a bunch of money, then I will sell whatever I have and order c7 z06 convertable and just drive it!
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Since we are talking about fantasy money... If you fall into a pile of money wait 2-3 years for the mid engine zr1. In my opinion a mid engine 'vette will make all other 'vettes obsolete garbage.
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Originally Posted by Forcedvert
Stock motor was toast see original post. So I needed a motor anyway, 9.5 to 1 was what was recommended to me by my mechanics tuner, a well respected guy here!, I know I can "turn up the boost" but I don't have unlimited money and I will need a transmission sooner than later. A built forged long block was not much more $ than non forged with someone else building motor! I was kinda just killing time trying to figure out how car will feel compared to how it was with stock ls1 and sc. Thanks for your input though. I'm sure a fuel system, trans brace, meth, wheels, tires maybe a roll bar, more boost and the list goes on... Are all in the cars future, unless I fall into a bunch of money, then I will sell whatever I have and order c7 z06 convertable and just drive it!
"Just drive it". That's what I planned when I bought my 'vette.
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Originally Posted by reactor2
Since we are talking about fantasy money... If you fall into a pile of money wait 2-3 years for the mid engine zr1. In my opinion a mid engine 'vette will make all other 'vettes obsolete garbage.
I like verts, nothin like a winter drive in Florida in a fast convertable!
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I like verts, nothin like a winter drive in Florida in a fast convertable!
Well maybe a world class super fast pure sports car would be ok too.
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Originally Posted by c5mtl
Don't worry the car will feel more than fine! All this talk about being sluggish is nuts...I'm at 8.8:1 and I was told my car would be sluggish off boost....trust me it's not!!
Exactly !!

All this sluggish talk is just ********.

9.5 is a perfectly usable and safe CR

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Old 10-26-2014, 03:47 AM
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True, Stevie. If you like to have a nice hit back in the seat, without going in to a lot of boost and spraying meth, any setup is fine. A higher compression motor that makes more power lower in the rpm range is more fun for a 6 speed car.
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Originally Posted by winters97gt
True, Stevie. If you like to have a nice hit back in the seat, without going in to a lot of boost and spraying meth, any setup is fine. A higher compression motor that makes more power lower in the rpm range is more fun for a 6 speed car.
Mine is 6 speed, always has been, always will be.

I'm 9.0:1 and you could never say it's a slug or there are issues off boost.

Even more so when you have a blower there.

Any difference in power/torque with 10.5 vs 9.5 would be very small indeed
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Originally Posted by winters97gt
True, Stevie. If you like to have a nice hit back in the seat, without going in to a lot of boost and spraying meth, any setup is fine. A higher compression motor that makes more power lower in the rpm range is more fun for a 6 speed car.
So what you are sayin is:
You like the low rpm "HIT" that a PD blower
provides
Its more fun for a 6 spd car
Sorry OP, just havin a little fun.


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