Different blower types for daily driver--good gas and massive hp
#1
Different blower types for daily driver--good gas and massive hp
I think from the reading I've done (and I've got more to do) I've come to these (very preliminary) conclusions:
1. Roots make great power down low. Somewhat limited top end.
2. Centrifigul, being belt driven, make power a little bit later in the powerband, but make the BEST power up top.
3. Kenne-Bell (twin-screw)---down low and up top power both, although up top maybe not quite as much as a centrifigul.
So, all else equal it seems like the KB is ideal for a street car as it has low and high end both.
But here is the question--do engines handle all blower types the same? For example, could I run a much higher boost in a roots than I could in KB? Or vice versa? Or maybe centrifiguls can give the most boost given a particular compression ratio?
Thanks fellas.
1. Roots make great power down low. Somewhat limited top end.
2. Centrifigul, being belt driven, make power a little bit later in the powerband, but make the BEST power up top.
3. Kenne-Bell (twin-screw)---down low and up top power both, although up top maybe not quite as much as a centrifigul.
So, all else equal it seems like the KB is ideal for a street car as it has low and high end both.
But here is the question--do engines handle all blower types the same? For example, could I run a much higher boost in a roots than I could in KB? Or vice versa? Or maybe centrifiguls can give the most boost given a particular compression ratio?
Thanks fellas.
#2
Oh yea,and the other part was the gas mileage. I guess if you stay with stock compression ratio gas mileage should be roughly equivalent given equivalent driving conditions? Don't see how the laws of physics would permit anything else but I thought I'd ask! Thanks.
#3
Team Owner
Yes! You can have a small motor (our stock 346 CID) with BOOST and still get great gas mileage! This is how mine is set-up - great power and great gas mileage
With any top mount Supercharger one will need a different hood in order for it to fit!
I personally would like to do a D1 ProCharger and see what it does on mine
Thanks,Matt
With any top mount Supercharger one will need a different hood in order for it to fit!
I personally would like to do a D1 ProCharger and see what it does on mine
Thanks,Matt
#4
Drifting
Yes! You can have a small motor (our stock 346 CID) with BOOST and still get great gas mileage! This is how mine is set-up - great power and great gas mileage
With any top mount Supercharger one will need a different hood in order for it to fit!
I personally would like to do a D1 ProCharger and see what it does on mine
Thanks,Matt
With any top mount Supercharger one will need a different hood in order for it to fit!
I personally would like to do a D1 ProCharger and see what it does on mine
Thanks,Matt
Last edited by clemsondave; 05-04-2009 at 09:08 AM.
#6
Tech Contributor
The new higher helix "roots" blowers made by Magnuson, called the TVS series (or MP1900/2300) are providing many with excellent#'s although I don't think they're ready for the C5's yet. See MTI's success with them in the C6 F/I forum. Nobody is really pushing them to their maximum potential yet either. Kenny Duttweiler made 950hp on 15psi with the MP2300.
#7
Team Owner
Yes! You can have a small motor (our stock 346 CID) with BOOST and still get great gas mileage! This is how mine is set-up - great power and great gas mileage
With any top mount Supercharger one will need a different hood in order for it to fit!
I personally would like to do a D1 ProCharger and see what it does on mine
Thanks,Matt
With any top mount Supercharger one will need a different hood in order for it to fit!
I personally would like to do a D1 ProCharger and see what it does on mine
Thanks,Matt
Matt if you ever switch headunits, you might as well just step it up to an F1. I have a D1 now, and I doubt there's a big difference between your unit and mine(that didn't sound right ). For me the D1 is good for my end goals(700rwhp), but for you, the F1 might be more practical.
Will
#8
Melting Slicks
A note on fuel mileage. I just burned through a half tank of fuel during a cruise on Sunday (5/3) and still got 20mpg all told. I made quite a few runs over 100mph included in that.
#9
Le Mans Master
The new higher helix "roots" blowers made by Magnuson, called the TVS series (or MP1900/2300) are providing many with excellent#'s although I don't think they're ready for the C5's yet. See MTI's success with them in the C6 F/I forum. Nobody is really pushing them to their maximum potential yet either. Kenny Duttweiler made 950hp on 15psi with the MP2300.
#10
Instructor
That's always been the dealbreaker for me for top mount blowers.
Matt if you ever switch headunits, you might as well just step it up to an F1. I have a D1 now, and I doubt there's a big difference between your unit and mine(that didn't sound right ). For me the D1 is good for my end goals(700rwhp), but for you, the F1 might be more practical.
Will
Matt if you ever switch headunits, you might as well just step it up to an F1. I have a D1 now, and I doubt there's a big difference between your unit and mine(that didn't sound right ). For me the D1 is good for my end goals(700rwhp), but for you, the F1 might be more practical.
Will
You just used "F1" and "practical" in the same sentence.
Great unit, BTW.
Sorry for thread res, but it had to be said.
#12
Team Owner
Well it's not like a supercharger is practical on our cars. Come on man. Most people would say 345-400hp is more than anybody could possibly ever need....
#13
Melting Slicks
To the OP, what is "massive HP"?
If 550rwhp is massive you could go with a KB or Maggie. Both would be great for a DD. I'd lean towards the Maggie b/c they have shown to be extremely reliable and are cheaper.
If massive HP is 700, 800, or more you will be going centrifugal.
Your mpg should barely change on any of those IF you stay out of boost. It is easier to do that with a centri.
If 550rwhp is massive you could go with a KB or Maggie. Both would be great for a DD. I'd lean towards the Maggie b/c they have shown to be extremely reliable and are cheaper.
If massive HP is 700, 800, or more you will be going centrifugal.
Your mpg should barely change on any of those IF you stay out of boost. It is easier to do that with a centri.
#14
Melting Slicks
On the street yes. I always wonder why people are so attracted to the low end torque of the roots blowers, I run my centrifugal blower at 60% on the street and can spin the tires at 80 mph, I'm not sure how safe more low end torque would be, my car is already dangerous. To each his own I guess...
#15
Team Owner
On the street yes. I always wonder why people are so attracted to the low end torque of the roots blowers, I run my centrifugal blower at 60% on the street and can spin the tires at 80 mph, I'm not sure how safe more low end torque would be, my car is already dangerous. To each his own I guess...
#16
Team Owner
To the OP, what is "massive HP"?
If 550rwhp is massive you could go with a KB or Maggie. Both would be great for a DD. I'd lean towards the Maggie b/c they have shown to be extremely reliable and are cheaper.
If massive HP is 700, 800, or more you will be going centrifugal.
Your mpg should barely change on any of those IF you stay out of boost. It is easier to do that with a centri.
If 550rwhp is massive you could go with a KB or Maggie. Both would be great for a DD. I'd lean towards the Maggie b/c they have shown to be extremely reliable and are cheaper.
If massive HP is 700, 800, or more you will be going centrifugal.
Your mpg should barely change on any of those IF you stay out of boost. It is easier to do that with a centri.
Maggies do have more hood options though. The Kenne Bell hood is atrocious IMO.