What are the Disadvantages of Getting a 91-2 Z over 94-5?
02-18-2002, 08:57 AM
#1
Team Owner
Thread Starter
What are the Disadvantages of Getting a 91-2 Z over 94-5?
I am looking at some low mile 91 Z's. I know that some exhaust and intake mods would make it almost as fast as a 94. I just want to know if there are any serious differences that a novice would notice. People are just asking too much for their 94's and 95's. Well above what they are worth. I am find equal mileage 91-92's at a more reasonable price (mid to high 20's) I just want o know if there is something I am missing. I do know that I like the 94- interior better. I had a 90 coupe and a 96 coupe and have experienced the difference. I wish I could find a 94 with around 25-30k miles on it for 30-34k$. :confused:
02-18-2002, 10:27 AM
#2
Le Mans Master
Re: What are the Disadvantages of Getting a 91-2 Z over 94-5? (LowFlight)
deals are to be had now with a weak economy.
94 with 8k miles on it went for under 30. the 93-5 ZR1s had 4 bolt blocks, better heads, different cams & exh manifolds, ASR, better interior and overall better build quality (elimination of rattles). downside is $$$ and they are a bit heavier. the 91--5 boddy style is preferred by most and the 93-5 were much lower production. the 90 has the stronger ZF box, I think this went through 92 (noiser too). the later guages have "tick marks" on them and a more informative electronic control system.
the real bargains are the 90-91. you can get some really nice cars for
under 25K and sometimes under 20. look for a car with low miles but has been driven often. the hard core garage queens can sometimes experience problems if not stored properly or driven on occassion. many people worry too much about the miles. the LT5 is built like an anvil and can survive many miles of abuse without failing. strongest engine GM ever build IMHO, best engineered also.
94 with 8k miles on it went for under 30. the 93-5 ZR1s had 4 bolt blocks, better heads, different cams & exh manifolds, ASR, better interior and overall better build quality (elimination of rattles). downside is $$$ and they are a bit heavier. the 91--5 boddy style is preferred by most and the 93-5 were much lower production. the 90 has the stronger ZF box, I think this went through 92 (noiser too). the later guages have "tick marks" on them and a more informative electronic control system.
the real bargains are the 90-91. you can get some really nice cars for
under 25K and sometimes under 20. look for a car with low miles but has been driven often. the hard core garage queens can sometimes experience problems if not stored properly or driven on occassion. many people worry too much about the miles. the LT5 is built like an anvil and can survive many miles of abuse without failing. strongest engine GM ever build IMHO, best engineered also.
02-18-2002, 10:44 AM
#3
Drifting
Re: What are the Disadvantages of Getting a 91-2 Z over 94-5? (LowFlight)
Here's a complete detail on the 90-95 ZR-1's. Hope this can help you:
1990
EXTERIOR
1) The first year front end had the same body design as the base Corvette
with the distinctive black rub strip that encircled the car sporting the
"TUNED PORT INJECTION" wording indents. The 3" wider than base Corvette rear
end had a new dynamic convex shape and all new "square" taillights that were
only available for ZR-1. The center high mounted stoplight would continue as
a ZR-1 exclusive through 1995 even though the 1991 base Corvette assumed the
rear convex identity of the King of The Hill. But only for the ZR-1, it
included widening of the doors, rear quarters, rocker panels, rear fascia,
and rear upper panel. Two black 1-1/2 spacers are noticeable on either side
of the license plate, between the back up lights. It is difficult to notice
the 0.9" difference in length between the ZR-1 and base Corvette. The 3465
pound weight of the ZR-1 is 236 more than the coupe. The ZR-1 purple tint
solar-block windshield is slightly different from the base car with a larger,
clear opening for "electronic garage door openers".
2) In the books All Corvettes are Red, and The Heart of The Beast, there is
mention that 10 or 12 ZR-1 narrow body convertible spyders were built. Some
had DR-1 on the license plate in honor of Don Runkle, the LT5 chief engineer.
He was presented with a silver ZR-1 convertible with a yellow interior built
by ASC and Chevrolet at BG.
INTERIOR
Sport seats with 2 lumbar controls, one on each side of the seating surface.
DRIVETRAIN
1) The ZR-1 engine, designated LT5, is an all aluminum block and cylinder
heads, 4 overhead camshafts, 32 valves, 350 cu. inch V8. The HP rating was
375 at 370 ft lbs of torque from 1990-1992 and 405hp at 385 ft lbs of torque
from 1993-1995.
2) Trans gear ratios: 2.68 / 1.80 / 1.31 / 1.00 / 0.75 / 0.50
3) The 90s- 92s used one-piece exhaust manifold/cat assemblies.
4) From the start of production in 1988 (MY89) to 01/01/89, all 6-speeds had
a 3.54 axle. After 01/01/89 the ZR-1s used a 3.45 axle.
5) The 1 to 4 lockout on the 6-speed transmission is a requirement of the
E.P.A. to reduce emissions and to improve gas economy. 1990 through 1994
requirements included the following: Coolant temp: at least 120 degrees;
M.P.H. - 12 to 19; Throttle Angle - Less than 35%.
6) A few of the first 1990's sported steel half shafts while later production
was aluminum. The half-shaft was changed during the 1990 model starting with
VIN # 800621.
SUSPENSION
Selective Ride Controls
DIMENSIONS
Length 177.4" (same for 90 -1991)
Width: 74.0"
Wheelbase: 96.2"
Minimum ground clearance: 4.9"
Height: 46.8"
Head room: 36.4"
Legroom: 42.6"
Shoulder room: 54.0"
Hip room: 49.3
Trunk / Cargo volume: 7.9 cu.ft. (mis-stated in the dealer brochure as17.9 cu.
ft.)
Frontal area volume: 20.4 cu. Ft.
ACCESSORIES
1) Manual AC was standard (C60) with electronic control AC (C68) as an
option. Around 12 ZR-1's were produced with manual AC. Known Production
Numbers are: #418 / #713 / #969 / #1040 / #1766 / #2086 / #2838 / #1039
2) In the first half of the 1990 model year, the CD radio came with a
lock-out feature (Delco-Loc II). Loc II was printed on the faceplate. The
owner was instructed to program a six-digit number into the radio. Whenever
the radio lost complete power, the number had to be used to unlock the radio,
otherwise the CD and cassette players were locked. If the numbers were lost
or forgotten, the radio could be de-programmed by the dealer.
INSTRUMENTATION
1) The early models had a shift light (separate from the 1 to 4 light).
2) There are two different types of DLCs on ZR-1s. 90-93 uses the 12-pin DLC
seen on all GM cars since 1982.
3) There was no low oil light option on the 1990 model, but the bulb position
was in the DIC (Driver's Information Center).
WHEELS
The special directional mag-type rear wheels and tires are 1-1/2" wider.
1991
EXTERIOR
1) New exterior colors Medium Quasar Blue Metallic, Turquoise Metallic, and
Yellow. 2) Curiously, some yellow 1991 and 92 Corvettes were photo-chromatic
- (Not on purpose...). If you were to leave an object on the car in the sun
and remove it later; the paint would be darker under the object. Sunlight
actually changed the color of the paint - but it changed back later like
photo chromatic sunglasses do. The paint was reformulated when discovered to
eliminate this "unique characteristic".
3) New front fender "gill" air vent coves.
4) In 1991 all models of Corvette had the ZR-1 style rear and a new
wrap-around, streamlined front end and color coordinated rub strip around the
body; but only the ZR-1 kept the CHMSL stop light over the glass hatch.
INTERIOR
Interior was pretty much the same, but the mid dash sweep was a bit less
squared. Blue interior was discontinued. Seats were almost identical except
the 91 included only one built-in left hand side lumbar control switch, while
the 90's seat had 2 controls, one on each side
DRIVETRAIN
1) The Tuned-port fuel injection was replaced by Multi-port fuel injection in
the 92.
2) Cylinder head Valve oil seals were added.
3) LT5 cam cover emblems change from red background to black.
SUSPENSION
1) Steering Overall ratio went from 15.6:1 to 15.7:1.
2) New Bosch ABS IIS
3) Among the options were heavy-duty suspension components so the ride could
be adjusted from firm to very firm, rather than from soft to firm found in
earlier systems
DIMENSIONS
Dealer brochure shows questionable changes of:
Trunk / Cargo volume - 12.6 cu. Ft.
Frontal area volume - 19.4 cu. Ft.
Shoulder room 54.1"
ACCESSORIES
1) Manual AC went away after the first year and electronic control AC became
standard.
2) The C-note horn was replaced with an F-note beginning with the 1991 model.
INSTRUMENTATION
1) The power-key default was changed to OFF with each restart of the car.
The actual key is different from the 1990 key.
2) Manual AC went away with electronic control AC becoming the standard.
WHEELS
1991 The 1991 ZR-1 maintained its own unique personality with improved doors
and newly designed 11-inch wide rear wheels new design "turbine-look"
aluminum mag wheels appeared to be moving even when the car was standing.
1992
EXTERIOR
1) The ZR-1 badge emblem was added to each side front fender.
2) Exhaust tips changed from the two per side, to one large rectangular per
side.
3) New colors - Black Rose Metallic, Arctic white, Bright Aqua Metallic, Polo
II Green Metallic. Deleted colors were Old Polo Green (less blue-ish),
Turquoise, Old White (identical color), Charcoal.
INTERIOR
1) Saddle leather interior was discontinued, and Light Beige was the
replacement. Blue leather discontinued. Light Gray replaced the slightly
darker gray interior color.
2) Steering wheel horn buttons changed from gray to black.
3) An option that was standard in the earlier RPO ZR-1 package was dropped 1/2
way though the 1992 year. The power passenger seat RPO AC1, which had always
been packaged into the ZR-1 option was pulled and had to be ordered
separately.
4) The little triangle buttons on the seat switches for the 1990 and 1991
models is discontinued.
DRIVETRAIN
1) Acceleration Slip Regulation (ASR) is introduced.
2) 92-up cars use a two-piece exhaust manifold design where the cat bolts to
a flange at the exhaust manifold outlet. Also the design of the exhaust
manifold was changed to prevent backflow under deceleration.
SUSPENSION
Suspension tuning change- reduction front spring rate from 96.2 N/mm to
75.4N/mm,
reduction in rear spring rate from 39.9 N/mm to 33.0 N/mm.
DIMENSIONS
Exterior dimensions changed -1990 to1992 are wider and shorter than 1993
to1995:
178.5" length
46.3" high
36.4" headroom
42.0" legroom
53.9" shoulder room
50.8 hip room
ACCESSORIES
The master cylinder bore was increased. In addition, the front brake
calipers were changed to increase the brake pedal height.
INSTRUMENTATION
No changes
WHEELS
Tires went from Goodyear Gatorbacks to Goodyear GS-Cs.
1993
EXTERIOR
1) A 40th Anniversary Ruby metallic ZR-1 package was available only in 1993
with 245 ZR-1's made (5 were pilot-test cars).
2) Bright Red became Torch Red, Yellow became the reformulated Competition
Yellow code 53, and Medium Quasar Blue Metallic was discontinued.
3) A special order for Dark Red Metallic (75U) with black leather, was
reportedly applied to only two cars. One of those two '93s is VIN #0062. The
color is very close and could be confused with the "Dark Ruby Red Metallic"
reserved for the 40th Anniversary Edition. There is a 40th dealer poster
error of a convertible in the plant with code 75U doors.
4) In '93 the plant switched to a new clear (two-component polyurethane) that
was typically applied thicker than the previous flavor... The smoother
"orange peel" appearance is due to the paint technology change. The 2
component paint has a longer wavelength (wider) peel than the previous
1-component, which was quite short (tight).
5) New Styrofoam inner bumper absorbers.
6) For the model year 1993 the BG plant began putting VIN's on the glass
tops.
7) The Bowling Green emblem under the hood was replaced by the Mobil 1 emblem
on Sept. 28, 1993
INTERIOR
1) In 1993 GM once again included The power passenger seat AC1 as part of the
RPO ZR-1 option.
2) The interior seat design was slightly changed to a wider, more comfortable
style and entry - exit became easier.
DRIVETRAIN
1) Horsepower increased for the LT5 engine to 405HP @5800RPM and 385lb. ft.
of torque at 5200RPM. The increases came from Head work; Revisions to the
valves; Revised exhaust cam timing; a reduction of restrictions in the
exhaust system and an electrical - linear exhaust gas recirculation (EGR)
system for improved emission control; Revised injector housings and
injectors; Altered plenum for increased flow; Smog Changes; Reduced rotating
mass; 4 bolt cylinder case; Revised PROM; Oiling system improvements;
Platinum Spark Plugs; Synthetic Oil.
2) The part # was changed on the ZR-1 transmission from 10186865 to 10255122
starting on VIN #800232 in the 1993 model year.
SUSPENSION
No change
DIMENSIONS
No change
ACCESSORIES
1) The 1993 Corvette was the first auto sold by GM to feature a passive
keyless entry (PKE) system.
2) New ABS IIU
3) Sometime between '93-94 model years the advanced computation power of
something called the "P8" ECM first came into existence in the ZR-1. A full
blown upgrade to the earlier 8-bit microcomputer, aka the "P4" design. With
the later cars, LT5 engine RPM could now be resolved into +/-1 rpm
increments. Prior to 1993, ZR-1 ECMs could not resolve any better than +/-25
Rpm using the "P4" CPU architecture.
4) From 1993 on, there are only four grease zerks on the entire car- upper
and lower ball joints.
INSTRUMENTATION
The 94 and 95 cars use the 16-pin "OBD2"type DLC. The pin designations are
not the same. They are located differently and use numbers instead of letters.
WHEELS
Although the same in design as 1991- 92, the 1993's wheels had a different
surface appearance achieved by a flat machining on the fin tips.
1994
EXTERIOR
1) Two new exterior colors were available, Admiral Blue and Copper Metallic.
The Copper did not make it the whole year due to problems with color match.
Around 100 to 200 were built when the color was killed.
2) In 1994 two one of a kind ZR-1's were built. One was an Admiral Blue with
Red interior and the other was a Competition Yellow with Red interior.
INTERIOR
1) Interior revisions included addition of a passenger-side airbag and knee
bolster (and removal of the instrument panel glove box), new seat and door
trim panel designs, finer-weave carpeting, "express down" driver's power
window, and a redesigned two-spoke airbag steering wheel.
2) With sport seats, a single set of power assist controls for both seats was
console-mounted. Also, individual motors adjusted the lumbar support for
sport seats and these controls (and the side bolster control) were relocated
from the seat to the console for 1994. The leather "hand" changed from a
smooth texture to a rough, pebble patina.
3) The tire jack was relocated from the exterior spare tire well to an inside
compartment behind the passenger seat.
DRIVETRAIN
No change
SUSPENSION
No change
DIMENSIONS
No change
ACCESSORIES
1) Air conditioning systems were revised to use R-134A refrigerant, a
non-ozone depleting CFC substitute.
2) On the owner's Video, Dave Hill states there are over 280 small
refinements or improvements for 94/95.
INSTRUMENTATION
New white instrument graphics turn to tangerine at night.
WHEELS
New, non-directional spoke mag type wheels were introduced.
1995
EXTERIOR
1) New front fender side vents reminiscent of the golden age 1958-61 fender
side coves. (also a little like the 1973 to 82 side coves)
2) A new exterior color, Dark Purple Metallic, was added, but 1994's Copper
Metallic
and Black Rose Metallic were deleted
INTERIOR
1) Sport Seats had stronger "French" seam stitching
2) Out of sight are numerous Velcro straps to reduce rattles,
DRIVETRAIN
1) The 6-speed manual was redesigned by replacement of the reverse lockout
with a high-detent design for easier operation.
2) Trans gear ratios changed to 2.64 / 1.78 / 1.30 / 1.00 / 0.74 / 0.49
3) The 1 to 4 lockout on the 6-speed transmission is a requirement of the
E.P.A. to reduce emissions and to improve gas economy. In 1995, these
requirements were reduced to the following: M.P.H. - 15 to 19; Throttle Angle
- Less than 13%; Coolant temp: at least 120 degrees.
4) Added the latest anti-lock/traction control (ABS/ASR-5) system.
5) Aluminized Stainless Steel exhaust.
6) Possible A L Dunn heads in last few ZR-1's produced. Look for 3 bolts
tensioner cover under passenger exhaust manifold.
7) New plenum flow work
SUSPENSION
No change
DIMENSIONS
No change
ACCESSORIES
1) A drip-tube was designed into the A-pillar weatherstrip for improved water
intrusion control.
2) A stronger radio mount installed for less CD skipping
3) Windshield wiper arms were redesigned with revised contact angles and
higher contact force to reduce chatter at all speeds, and lift at high speeds.
INSTRUMENTATION
No change
WHEELS
No change
1990
EXTERIOR
1) The first year front end had the same body design as the base Corvette
with the distinctive black rub strip that encircled the car sporting the
"TUNED PORT INJECTION" wording indents. The 3" wider than base Corvette rear
end had a new dynamic convex shape and all new "square" taillights that were
only available for ZR-1. The center high mounted stoplight would continue as
a ZR-1 exclusive through 1995 even though the 1991 base Corvette assumed the
rear convex identity of the King of The Hill. But only for the ZR-1, it
included widening of the doors, rear quarters, rocker panels, rear fascia,
and rear upper panel. Two black 1-1/2 spacers are noticeable on either side
of the license plate, between the back up lights. It is difficult to notice
the 0.9" difference in length between the ZR-1 and base Corvette. The 3465
pound weight of the ZR-1 is 236 more than the coupe. The ZR-1 purple tint
solar-block windshield is slightly different from the base car with a larger,
clear opening for "electronic garage door openers".
2) In the books All Corvettes are Red, and The Heart of The Beast, there is
mention that 10 or 12 ZR-1 narrow body convertible spyders were built. Some
had DR-1 on the license plate in honor of Don Runkle, the LT5 chief engineer.
He was presented with a silver ZR-1 convertible with a yellow interior built
by ASC and Chevrolet at BG.
INTERIOR
Sport seats with 2 lumbar controls, one on each side of the seating surface.
DRIVETRAIN
1) The ZR-1 engine, designated LT5, is an all aluminum block and cylinder
heads, 4 overhead camshafts, 32 valves, 350 cu. inch V8. The HP rating was
375 at 370 ft lbs of torque from 1990-1992 and 405hp at 385 ft lbs of torque
from 1993-1995.
2) Trans gear ratios: 2.68 / 1.80 / 1.31 / 1.00 / 0.75 / 0.50
3) The 90s- 92s used one-piece exhaust manifold/cat assemblies.
4) From the start of production in 1988 (MY89) to 01/01/89, all 6-speeds had
a 3.54 axle. After 01/01/89 the ZR-1s used a 3.45 axle.
5) The 1 to 4 lockout on the 6-speed transmission is a requirement of the
E.P.A. to reduce emissions and to improve gas economy. 1990 through 1994
requirements included the following: Coolant temp: at least 120 degrees;
M.P.H. - 12 to 19; Throttle Angle - Less than 35%.
6) A few of the first 1990's sported steel half shafts while later production
was aluminum. The half-shaft was changed during the 1990 model starting with
VIN # 800621.
SUSPENSION
Selective Ride Controls
DIMENSIONS
Length 177.4" (same for 90 -1991)
Width: 74.0"
Wheelbase: 96.2"
Minimum ground clearance: 4.9"
Height: 46.8"
Head room: 36.4"
Legroom: 42.6"
Shoulder room: 54.0"
Hip room: 49.3
Trunk / Cargo volume: 7.9 cu.ft. (mis-stated in the dealer brochure as17.9 cu.
ft.)
Frontal area volume: 20.4 cu. Ft.
ACCESSORIES
1) Manual AC was standard (C60) with electronic control AC (C68) as an
option. Around 12 ZR-1's were produced with manual AC. Known Production
Numbers are: #418 / #713 / #969 / #1040 / #1766 / #2086 / #2838 / #1039
2) In the first half of the 1990 model year, the CD radio came with a
lock-out feature (Delco-Loc II). Loc II was printed on the faceplate. The
owner was instructed to program a six-digit number into the radio. Whenever
the radio lost complete power, the number had to be used to unlock the radio,
otherwise the CD and cassette players were locked. If the numbers were lost
or forgotten, the radio could be de-programmed by the dealer.
INSTRUMENTATION
1) The early models had a shift light (separate from the 1 to 4 light).
2) There are two different types of DLCs on ZR-1s. 90-93 uses the 12-pin DLC
seen on all GM cars since 1982.
3) There was no low oil light option on the 1990 model, but the bulb position
was in the DIC (Driver's Information Center).
WHEELS
The special directional mag-type rear wheels and tires are 1-1/2" wider.
1991
EXTERIOR
1) New exterior colors Medium Quasar Blue Metallic, Turquoise Metallic, and
Yellow. 2) Curiously, some yellow 1991 and 92 Corvettes were photo-chromatic
- (Not on purpose...). If you were to leave an object on the car in the sun
and remove it later; the paint would be darker under the object. Sunlight
actually changed the color of the paint - but it changed back later like
photo chromatic sunglasses do. The paint was reformulated when discovered to
eliminate this "unique characteristic".
3) New front fender "gill" air vent coves.
4) In 1991 all models of Corvette had the ZR-1 style rear and a new
wrap-around, streamlined front end and color coordinated rub strip around the
body; but only the ZR-1 kept the CHMSL stop light over the glass hatch.
INTERIOR
Interior was pretty much the same, but the mid dash sweep was a bit less
squared. Blue interior was discontinued. Seats were almost identical except
the 91 included only one built-in left hand side lumbar control switch, while
the 90's seat had 2 controls, one on each side
DRIVETRAIN
1) The Tuned-port fuel injection was replaced by Multi-port fuel injection in
the 92.
2) Cylinder head Valve oil seals were added.
3) LT5 cam cover emblems change from red background to black.
SUSPENSION
1) Steering Overall ratio went from 15.6:1 to 15.7:1.
2) New Bosch ABS IIS
3) Among the options were heavy-duty suspension components so the ride could
be adjusted from firm to very firm, rather than from soft to firm found in
earlier systems
DIMENSIONS
Dealer brochure shows questionable changes of:
Trunk / Cargo volume - 12.6 cu. Ft.
Frontal area volume - 19.4 cu. Ft.
Shoulder room 54.1"
ACCESSORIES
1) Manual AC went away after the first year and electronic control AC became
standard.
2) The C-note horn was replaced with an F-note beginning with the 1991 model.
INSTRUMENTATION
1) The power-key default was changed to OFF with each restart of the car.
The actual key is different from the 1990 key.
2) Manual AC went away with electronic control AC becoming the standard.
WHEELS
1991 The 1991 ZR-1 maintained its own unique personality with improved doors
and newly designed 11-inch wide rear wheels new design "turbine-look"
aluminum mag wheels appeared to be moving even when the car was standing.
1992
EXTERIOR
1) The ZR-1 badge emblem was added to each side front fender.
2) Exhaust tips changed from the two per side, to one large rectangular per
side.
3) New colors - Black Rose Metallic, Arctic white, Bright Aqua Metallic, Polo
II Green Metallic. Deleted colors were Old Polo Green (less blue-ish),
Turquoise, Old White (identical color), Charcoal.
INTERIOR
1) Saddle leather interior was discontinued, and Light Beige was the
replacement. Blue leather discontinued. Light Gray replaced the slightly
darker gray interior color.
2) Steering wheel horn buttons changed from gray to black.
3) An option that was standard in the earlier RPO ZR-1 package was dropped 1/2
way though the 1992 year. The power passenger seat RPO AC1, which had always
been packaged into the ZR-1 option was pulled and had to be ordered
separately.
4) The little triangle buttons on the seat switches for the 1990 and 1991
models is discontinued.
DRIVETRAIN
1) Acceleration Slip Regulation (ASR) is introduced.
2) 92-up cars use a two-piece exhaust manifold design where the cat bolts to
a flange at the exhaust manifold outlet. Also the design of the exhaust
manifold was changed to prevent backflow under deceleration.
SUSPENSION
Suspension tuning change- reduction front spring rate from 96.2 N/mm to
75.4N/mm,
reduction in rear spring rate from 39.9 N/mm to 33.0 N/mm.
DIMENSIONS
Exterior dimensions changed -1990 to1992 are wider and shorter than 1993
to1995:
178.5" length
46.3" high
36.4" headroom
42.0" legroom
53.9" shoulder room
50.8 hip room
ACCESSORIES
The master cylinder bore was increased. In addition, the front brake
calipers were changed to increase the brake pedal height.
INSTRUMENTATION
No changes
WHEELS
Tires went from Goodyear Gatorbacks to Goodyear GS-Cs.
1993
EXTERIOR
1) A 40th Anniversary Ruby metallic ZR-1 package was available only in 1993
with 245 ZR-1's made (5 were pilot-test cars).
2) Bright Red became Torch Red, Yellow became the reformulated Competition
Yellow code 53, and Medium Quasar Blue Metallic was discontinued.
3) A special order for Dark Red Metallic (75U) with black leather, was
reportedly applied to only two cars. One of those two '93s is VIN #0062. The
color is very close and could be confused with the "Dark Ruby Red Metallic"
reserved for the 40th Anniversary Edition. There is a 40th dealer poster
error of a convertible in the plant with code 75U doors.
4) In '93 the plant switched to a new clear (two-component polyurethane) that
was typically applied thicker than the previous flavor... The smoother
"orange peel" appearance is due to the paint technology change. The 2
component paint has a longer wavelength (wider) peel than the previous
1-component, which was quite short (tight).
5) New Styrofoam inner bumper absorbers.
6) For the model year 1993 the BG plant began putting VIN's on the glass
tops.
7) The Bowling Green emblem under the hood was replaced by the Mobil 1 emblem
on Sept. 28, 1993
INTERIOR
1) In 1993 GM once again included The power passenger seat AC1 as part of the
RPO ZR-1 option.
2) The interior seat design was slightly changed to a wider, more comfortable
style and entry - exit became easier.
DRIVETRAIN
1) Horsepower increased for the LT5 engine to 405HP @5800RPM and 385lb. ft.
of torque at 5200RPM. The increases came from Head work; Revisions to the
valves; Revised exhaust cam timing; a reduction of restrictions in the
exhaust system and an electrical - linear exhaust gas recirculation (EGR)
system for improved emission control; Revised injector housings and
injectors; Altered plenum for increased flow; Smog Changes; Reduced rotating
mass; 4 bolt cylinder case; Revised PROM; Oiling system improvements;
Platinum Spark Plugs; Synthetic Oil.
2) The part # was changed on the ZR-1 transmission from 10186865 to 10255122
starting on VIN #800232 in the 1993 model year.
SUSPENSION
No change
DIMENSIONS
No change
ACCESSORIES
1) The 1993 Corvette was the first auto sold by GM to feature a passive
keyless entry (PKE) system.
2) New ABS IIU
3) Sometime between '93-94 model years the advanced computation power of
something called the "P8" ECM first came into existence in the ZR-1. A full
blown upgrade to the earlier 8-bit microcomputer, aka the "P4" design. With
the later cars, LT5 engine RPM could now be resolved into +/-1 rpm
increments. Prior to 1993, ZR-1 ECMs could not resolve any better than +/-25
Rpm using the "P4" CPU architecture.
4) From 1993 on, there are only four grease zerks on the entire car- upper
and lower ball joints.
INSTRUMENTATION
The 94 and 95 cars use the 16-pin "OBD2"type DLC. The pin designations are
not the same. They are located differently and use numbers instead of letters.
WHEELS
Although the same in design as 1991- 92, the 1993's wheels had a different
surface appearance achieved by a flat machining on the fin tips.
1994
EXTERIOR
1) Two new exterior colors were available, Admiral Blue and Copper Metallic.
The Copper did not make it the whole year due to problems with color match.
Around 100 to 200 were built when the color was killed.
2) In 1994 two one of a kind ZR-1's were built. One was an Admiral Blue with
Red interior and the other was a Competition Yellow with Red interior.
INTERIOR
1) Interior revisions included addition of a passenger-side airbag and knee
bolster (and removal of the instrument panel glove box), new seat and door
trim panel designs, finer-weave carpeting, "express down" driver's power
window, and a redesigned two-spoke airbag steering wheel.
2) With sport seats, a single set of power assist controls for both seats was
console-mounted. Also, individual motors adjusted the lumbar support for
sport seats and these controls (and the side bolster control) were relocated
from the seat to the console for 1994. The leather "hand" changed from a
smooth texture to a rough, pebble patina.
3) The tire jack was relocated from the exterior spare tire well to an inside
compartment behind the passenger seat.
DRIVETRAIN
No change
SUSPENSION
No change
DIMENSIONS
No change
ACCESSORIES
1) Air conditioning systems were revised to use R-134A refrigerant, a
non-ozone depleting CFC substitute.
2) On the owner's Video, Dave Hill states there are over 280 small
refinements or improvements for 94/95.
INSTRUMENTATION
New white instrument graphics turn to tangerine at night.
WHEELS
New, non-directional spoke mag type wheels were introduced.
1995
EXTERIOR
1) New front fender side vents reminiscent of the golden age 1958-61 fender
side coves. (also a little like the 1973 to 82 side coves)
2) A new exterior color, Dark Purple Metallic, was added, but 1994's Copper
Metallic
and Black Rose Metallic were deleted
INTERIOR
1) Sport Seats had stronger "French" seam stitching
2) Out of sight are numerous Velcro straps to reduce rattles,
DRIVETRAIN
1) The 6-speed manual was redesigned by replacement of the reverse lockout
with a high-detent design for easier operation.
2) Trans gear ratios changed to 2.64 / 1.78 / 1.30 / 1.00 / 0.74 / 0.49
3) The 1 to 4 lockout on the 6-speed transmission is a requirement of the
E.P.A. to reduce emissions and to improve gas economy. In 1995, these
requirements were reduced to the following: M.P.H. - 15 to 19; Throttle Angle
- Less than 13%; Coolant temp: at least 120 degrees.
4) Added the latest anti-lock/traction control (ABS/ASR-5) system.
5) Aluminized Stainless Steel exhaust.
6) Possible A L Dunn heads in last few ZR-1's produced. Look for 3 bolts
tensioner cover under passenger exhaust manifold.
7) New plenum flow work
SUSPENSION
No change
DIMENSIONS
No change
ACCESSORIES
1) A drip-tube was designed into the A-pillar weatherstrip for improved water
intrusion control.
2) A stronger radio mount installed for less CD skipping
3) Windshield wiper arms were redesigned with revised contact angles and
higher contact force to reduce chatter at all speeds, and lift at high speeds.
INSTRUMENTATION
No change
WHEELS
No change
02-18-2002, 10:51 AM
#4
Drifting
Re: What are the Disadvantages of Getting a 91-2 Z over 94-5? (Rkreigh)
The 94 your talking that went for under 30K, wasn't that on E-Bay? And if I remembered correctly didn't they mentioned the car was wrecked and restored.
02-18-2002, 11:41 AM
#5
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Re: What are the Disadvantages of Getting a 91-2 Z over 94-5? (SPEEDEMON)
I know you guys want to maintain the value of your car and I understand so I don't mean to offend, but I keep seeing these 94 and 95 ZR-1 cars for 40k plus. That is more than I would ever pay. If you look at the TRUE DEALER/BANK NADA you will see that retail on a 95 with LOW miles is 38-39k. I would pay 32-34k for a 94 and maybe 38k for a PERFECT 95. Sorry for the rant but that is how I feel on the subject. Retail usually means the most in my experience.
02-18-2002, 02:06 PM
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Re: What are the Disadvantages of Getting a 91-2 Z over 94-5? (LowFlight)
Blue Book means nothing to the owner of a collector car. Cars will only bring what the market will bear. Obviously,nice 95's will bring the big bucks. It doesn't matter whether you or I think they are worth it. They are.
Everyone says the market is way down yet the major ZR-1 dealers are still selling their top quality cars at top prices. Since I talk to most of them on occasion,I know this for a fact.
Everyone says the market is way down yet the major ZR-1 dealers are still selling their top quality cars at top prices. Since I talk to most of them on occasion,I know this for a fact.
02-18-2002, 09:56 PM
#7
Drifting
Re: What are the Disadvantages of Getting a 91-2 Z over 94-5? (LowFlight)
I hate to disappoint you, but finding a clean 95 with low miles in stock condition for under $40,000 is very slim, and if you do it might be either be Red or Black if that, and any other colors will go for a higher price. Remember there’s ONLY 448 made per year from 93-95, so there’s not much to go around. In this case the NADA book is worthless. The books do not control the market on these cars. The ZR-1 prices in my mind have flattened out and is getting harder to come by (talking about the later models) Most of the original owners that bought these cars had the money to buy them and after a few years they either got bored of them or traded for something else or so. Now most of these cars are in the hands of the second generation owners, which wanted these cars from the beginning and couldn’t afford them, or some of the owner from the earlier cars sold theirs and traded up to the later ones. That’s why you don’t see a lot of these on the market now, and if you do then it has high mileage or has been worked over. A couple years ago you still see a few around when you picked up a copy of Corvette Trader, Hemmings or DuPont Registry. Now there is a very clean 93 ZR-1 white/Black with 8,800 miles for $39,000 out here near the San Francisco Bay I would recommend which I have checked for a Forum member a few weeks ago, that might be a pretty good deal if your interested in that, if not then good luck on your search.
02-18-2002, 11:53 PM
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Le Mans Master
Re: What are the Disadvantages of Getting a 91-2 Z over 94-5? (SPEEDEMON)
Speedemon's post is one of the best (ever) on this forum.
I think he should be moved up to 105% :D
[Modified by Road_runner, 7:54 PM 2/18/2002]
I think he should be moved up to 105% :D
[Modified by Road_runner, 7:54 PM 2/18/2002]
02-19-2002, 12:08 AM
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Re: What are the Disadvantages of Getting a 91-2 Z over 94-5? (Road_runner)
It took years for Art to find the right ZR-1 for him. He knows what he's talking about.
02-19-2002, 12:36 AM
#10
Drifting
Re: What are the Disadvantages of Getting a 91-2 Z over 94-5? (Road_runner)
Road_runner
Thanks for the credit, but I don't deserve the credit. The info came off the ZR-1 net, which was put together by Randy Schulkers & Jerry Watts for the ZR-1 net. If you guys want more info, always refer to the ZR-1 net first for you source of info, and if you can’t find what your looking the ask Clint (USAZR1) he’s the ZR-1 professor which is very knowledgeable on these ZR-1’s, if he doesn’t have the answers I’m sure he can help you find what your looking for.
Thanks for the credit, but I don't deserve the credit. The info came off the ZR-1 net, which was put together by Randy Schulkers & Jerry Watts for the ZR-1 net. If you guys want more info, always refer to the ZR-1 net first for you source of info, and if you can’t find what your looking the ask Clint (USAZR1) he’s the ZR-1 professor which is very knowledgeable on these ZR-1’s, if he doesn’t have the answers I’m sure he can help you find what your looking for.
02-19-2002, 12:50 AM
#11
Drifting
Re: What are the Disadvantages of Getting a 91-2 Z over 94-5? (USAZR1)
Clint is correct, it took me roughly close to 4 years, and a few airline tickets to find what I have. I thought at times I wouldn’t find one because I was looking for a 95 with low miles and especially having a set of Dunn heads. I never dreamed of going cross-country and buying a car. But when this #389, the last Aqua ZR-1 with the Dunn heads became available the only thing I thought about was why 3000 miles away from home?
Just to give you an idea of what ZR-1’s sold for; Dave Bright put this list together:
DATE YEAR MILEAGE SELLER PRICE
?/?/1992 1990 3000 Dealer $50,000.00
?/?/94 1990 18000 Dealer $30,000.00
11/18/1989 1990 4 Dealer $60,290.00
12/1/1989 1990 52 Dealer $65,000.00
12/13/1989 1990 31 Dealer $70,000.00
4/3/1990 1990 1 Dealer $73,000.00
7/1/1990 1990 10 Dealer $60,000.00
7/1/1990 1990 10 Dealer $60,000.00
4/2/1991 1990 591 Dealer $44,000.00
8/19/1991 1990 2300 Dealer $45,500.00
5/1/1993 1990 38000 Dealer $29,000.00
4/4/1994 1990 39300 Dealer $28,000.00
5/1/1995 1990 19000 Dealer $31,000.00
9/1/1995 1990 33260 Dealer $28,000.00
11/1/1995 1990 34000 Dealer $28,500.00
3/25/1996 1990 38119 Dealer $25,000.00
6/1/1996 1990 47000 Private $19,000.00
8/1/1996 1990 9100 Private $27,500.00
9/1/1996 1990 8200 Dealer $31,000.00
9/1/1996 1990 26000 Private $26,000.00
2/1/1997 1990 53000 Private $24,000.00
6/25/1997 1990 16800 Dealer $30,500.00
11/23/1997 1990 24000 Private $33,000.00
12/1/1997 1990 65000 Dealer $22,000.00
8/1/1998 1990 1148 Private $34,000.00
8/1/1998 1990 13000 Private $28,000.00
8/3/1998 1990 24171 Dealer $25,500.00
9/1/1998 1990 58000 Private $25,000.00
9/1/1998 1990 100000 Dealer $16,000.00
10/1/1998 1990 19650 Private $28,500.00
12/1/1998 1990 7000 Dealer $32,000.00
12/1/1998 1990 5200 Dealer $32,000.00
1/1/1999 1990 46253 Private $25,500.00
4/1/1999 1990 42000 Private $19,900.00
5/1/1999 1990 68500 Private $20,000.00
7/1/1999 1990 38000 Private $25,000.00
8/1/1999 1990 40000 Private $26,000.00
8/1/1999 1990 16000 Private $23,000.00
8/1/1999 1990 39000 Private $18,500.00
8/1/1999 1990 45000 Private $24,000.00
9/1/1999 1990 26000 Private $23,500.00
9/1/1999 1990 12457 Dealer $26,900.00
10/1/1999 1990 4000 Private $31,000.00
10/4/1999 1990 27574 Private $28,500.00
11/1/1999 1990 74000 Private $22,000.00
11/4/1999 1990 64659 Dealer $23,900.00
2/1/2000 1990 22000 Private $29,000.00
2/1/2000 1990 28500 Dealer $27,000.00
3/20/2000 1990 4800 Dealer $33,900.00
5/1/2000 1990 2455 Private $33,800.00
8/1/2000 1990 30000 Private $22,300.00
8/7/2000 1990 22000 Private $27,000.00
8/30/2000 1990 21000 Private $25,000.00
10/1/2000 1990 17000 Dealer $35,000.00
1/1/2001 1990 471 Private $35,000.00
1/25/2001 1990 34500 Private $22,500.00
2/23/2001 1990 46673 Dealer $25,000.00
3/1/2001 1990 2028 Dealer $34,900.00
4/1/2001 1990 61000 Private $20,000.00
5/1/2001 1990 38000 Private $26,000.00
6/1/2001 1990 2800 Private $29,000.00
7/1/2001 1990 23000 Private $24,000.00
7/3/2001 1990 1384 Dealer $28,500.00
8/1/2001 1990 43000 Private $19,000.00
11/1/2001 1990 38000 Private $24,000.00
11/3/2001 1990 50000 Private $16,000.00
Average $ $30,846.82
6/1/1997 1990 62000 Private $6K GBP
?/?/1999 1991 7050 Private $32,000.00
?/?/2000 1991 124000 Private $16,000.00
?/?/97 1991 42000 Private $4,000.00 Wrecked
?? 1991 20000 Private $29,000.00
5/1/1991 1991 0 Dealer $50,500.00
5/24/1991 1991 10 Dealer $72,623.00
10/7/1991 1991 85 Dealer $50,000.00
3/1/1992 1991 3000 Dealer $42,500.00
4/22/1992 1991 641 Dealer $38,000.00
12/2/1992 1991 230 Dealer $46,307.00
9/1/1993 1991 16000 Private $34,000.00
9/4/1993 1991 17371 Dealer $34,000.00
12/15/1993 1991 6700 Private $37,000.00
4/1/1994 1991 14000 Dealer $32,500.00
6/1/1994 1991 5000 Private $33,000.00
11/24/1994 1991 3800 Dealer $35,500.00
2/20/1995 1991 6500 Private $34,500.00
7/1/1995 1991 4510 Private $36,750.00
7/1/1995 1991 7500 Dealer $33,500.00
7/1/1995 1991 4000 Private $38,500.00
8/1/1995 1991 0 Dealer $39,000.00
9/1/1995 1991 13000 Dealer $28,000.00
12/2/1995 1991 4200 Private $41,000.00
6/22/1996 1991 19851 Dealer $33,000.00
6/28/1996 1991 5600 Dealer $37,000.00
7/1/1996 1991 5600 Dealer $37,500.00
8/3/1996 1991 1800 Dealer $40,000.00
8/7/1996 1991 14560 Dealer $29,500.00
8/14/1996 1991 24747 Dealer $27,000.00
10/15/1996 1991 7980 Private $35,750.00
12/1/1996 1991 5200 Dealer $35,000.00
4/15/1997 1991 14000 Dealer $33,500.00
6/22/1997 1991 51000 Private $27,900.00
8/1/1997 1991 22000 Private $28,750.00
9/1/1997 1991 38000 Dealer $28,000.00
9/1/1997 1991 19000 Private $29,000.00
12/1/1997 1991 12500 Dealer $32,000.00
12/24/1997 1991 9710 Private $25,000.00
3/7/1998 1991 4171 Private $9,500.00 Damaged
4/1/1998 1991 4400 Private $40,000.00
5/1/1998 1991 78000 Private $23,500.00
5/28/1998 1991 12200 Dealer $29,900.00
6/1/1998 1991 4200 Private $29,995.00
7/8/1998 1991 12207 Private $28,750.00
8/1/1998 1991 18542 Private $22,725.00
8/1/1998 1991 59000 Dealer $26,000.00
9/1/1998 1991 1990 Dealer $33,500.00
9/29/1998 1991 16000 Private $27,500.00
3/1/1999 1991 34000 Private $25,000.00
5/15/1999 1991 11000 Private $33,500.00
6/1/1999 1991 22000 Private $31,000.00
6/6/1999 1991 9380 Private $32,000.00
11/1/1999 1991 16000 Private $30,000.00
1/1/2000 1991 19000 Dealer $27,000.00
4/1/2000 1991 108000 Private $17,500.00
4/1/2000 1991 12200 Private $29,750.00
7/1/2000 1991 32500 Dealer $26,000.00
9/1/2000 1991 44000 Private $22,600.00
11/1/2000 1991 10000 Private $28,000.00
11/1/2000 1991 37000 Dealer $29,000.00
12/1/2000 1991 28000 Private $25,000.00
3/1/2001 1991 36700 Private $28,000.00
3/1/2001 1991 23700 Dealer $32,000.00
3/1/2001 1991 27000 Private $29,000.00
3/20/2001 1991 28000 Private $22,500.00
4/1/2001 1991 19000 Private $25,000.00
4/27/2001 1991 13100 Private $26,000.00
5/1/2001 1991 65000 Dealer $24,900.00
8/1/2001 1991 72000 Dealer $19,000.00
8/28/2001 1991 36000 Private $24,000.00
Average $ $27,879.99
8/17/1993 1992 32 Dealer $47,000.00
8/1/1994 1992 79 Dealer $46,000.00
9/1/1997 1992 33000 Dealer $33,000.00
1/1/1998 1992 26500 Dealer $29,995.00
5/1/1998 1992 4392 Private $35,500.00
6/1/1998 1992 26666 Private $30,500.00
6/3/1998 1992 4500 Private $49,000.00
5/1/2000 1992 36000 Private $24,000.00
2/1/2001 1992 3400 Private $35,000.00
6/1/2001 1992 26000 Private $30,000.00
10/17/2001 1992 62789 Private $21,900.00
12/1/2001 1992 32000 Private $26,000.00
Average $ $33,991.25
1/13/1993 1993 3 Dealer $55,600.00 40th
6/1/1993 1993 11 Dealer $69,000.00
11/1/1993 1993 500 Dealer $50,000.00
7/5/1994 1993 3140 Dealer $43,500.00
10/1/1994 1993 6000 Private $43,000.00
9/1/1995 1993 4300 Private $50,000.00 40th
12/30/1996 1993 850 Dealer $56,500.00 40th
2/1/1999 1993 30000 Private $31,500.00
2/4/1999 1993 390 Private $51,000.00 40th
8/1/1999 1993 32000 Private $27,000.00
8/1/1999 1993 32000 Private $38,000.00 40th
10/1/2000 1993 29000 Private $36,000.00
3/3/2001 1993 1000 Dealer $53,000.00 40th
6/1/2001 1993 91000 Private $28,000.00
8/25/2001 1993 15550 Dealer $39,950.00 40th
10/1/1993 1993 40000 Dealer $30,000.00
Average $ $43,878.13
?/?/1996 1994 22000 Private $48,000.00
11/1/1993 1994 5 Dealer $59,950.00
8/20/1994 1994 100 Dealer $54,900.00
10/31/1994 1994 12 Dealer $55,000.00
11/19/1994 1994 20 Dealer $46,893.00
5/1/1995 1994 5000 Dealer $45,000.00
7/1/1997 1994 8000 Private $42,500.00
7/1/1998 1994 13500 Private $41,000.00
7/1/1998 1994 20500 Private $20,600.00
9/1/1998 1994 50000 Private $30,000.00
11/1/1998 1994 1500 Dealer $40,500.00
3/1/1999 1994 16000 Private $39,000.00
4/13/1999 1994 4200 Dealer $42,700.00
6/19/1999 1994 32200 Dealer $35,000.00
8/1/1999 1994 12500 Dealer $42,000.00
5/1/2000 1994 36000 Dealer $39,000.00
9/1/2000 1994 7500 Dealer $39,500.00
10/12/2000 1994 27500 Dealer $34,000.00
2/14/2001 1994 48400 Private $28,000.00
5/19/1994 1994 13 Dealer $74,927.46
12/20/2001 1994 2010 Private $37,000.00
Average $ $42,641.45
12/27/1994 1995 39 Dealer $64,123.00
5/1/1995 1995 32 Dealer $65,000.00
6/9/1995 1995 100 Dealer $62,000.00
10/1/1995 1995 16 Dealer $69,000.00
4/1/1997 1995 45 Dealer $56,500.00
12/23/1997 1995 10263 Dealer $52,500.00
6/1/1999 1995 37000 Dealer $44,000.00
6/11/1999 1995 19 Dealer $62,000.00
8/1/1999 1995 3180 Private $47,000.00
8/1/1999 1995 25100 Dealer $70,000.00
2/14/2000 1995 3 Dealer $42,735.00
11/1/2000 1995 9600 Dealer $44,000.00
5/5/2001 1995 13805 Dealer $49,900.00
7/1/2001 1995 17000 Private $47,500.00
8/1/2001 1995 1774 Private $40,000.00
5/1/1998 1995 15000 Dealer $50,000.00
Average $ $54,141.13
Sorry guys, I know it a long list!
Just to give you an idea of what ZR-1’s sold for; Dave Bright put this list together:
DATE YEAR MILEAGE SELLER PRICE
?/?/1992 1990 3000 Dealer $50,000.00
?/?/94 1990 18000 Dealer $30,000.00
11/18/1989 1990 4 Dealer $60,290.00
12/1/1989 1990 52 Dealer $65,000.00
12/13/1989 1990 31 Dealer $70,000.00
4/3/1990 1990 1 Dealer $73,000.00
7/1/1990 1990 10 Dealer $60,000.00
7/1/1990 1990 10 Dealer $60,000.00
4/2/1991 1990 591 Dealer $44,000.00
8/19/1991 1990 2300 Dealer $45,500.00
5/1/1993 1990 38000 Dealer $29,000.00
4/4/1994 1990 39300 Dealer $28,000.00
5/1/1995 1990 19000 Dealer $31,000.00
9/1/1995 1990 33260 Dealer $28,000.00
11/1/1995 1990 34000 Dealer $28,500.00
3/25/1996 1990 38119 Dealer $25,000.00
6/1/1996 1990 47000 Private $19,000.00
8/1/1996 1990 9100 Private $27,500.00
9/1/1996 1990 8200 Dealer $31,000.00
9/1/1996 1990 26000 Private $26,000.00
2/1/1997 1990 53000 Private $24,000.00
6/25/1997 1990 16800 Dealer $30,500.00
11/23/1997 1990 24000 Private $33,000.00
12/1/1997 1990 65000 Dealer $22,000.00
8/1/1998 1990 1148 Private $34,000.00
8/1/1998 1990 13000 Private $28,000.00
8/3/1998 1990 24171 Dealer $25,500.00
9/1/1998 1990 58000 Private $25,000.00
9/1/1998 1990 100000 Dealer $16,000.00
10/1/1998 1990 19650 Private $28,500.00
12/1/1998 1990 7000 Dealer $32,000.00
12/1/1998 1990 5200 Dealer $32,000.00
1/1/1999 1990 46253 Private $25,500.00
4/1/1999 1990 42000 Private $19,900.00
5/1/1999 1990 68500 Private $20,000.00
7/1/1999 1990 38000 Private $25,000.00
8/1/1999 1990 40000 Private $26,000.00
8/1/1999 1990 16000 Private $23,000.00
8/1/1999 1990 39000 Private $18,500.00
8/1/1999 1990 45000 Private $24,000.00
9/1/1999 1990 26000 Private $23,500.00
9/1/1999 1990 12457 Dealer $26,900.00
10/1/1999 1990 4000 Private $31,000.00
10/4/1999 1990 27574 Private $28,500.00
11/1/1999 1990 74000 Private $22,000.00
11/4/1999 1990 64659 Dealer $23,900.00
2/1/2000 1990 22000 Private $29,000.00
2/1/2000 1990 28500 Dealer $27,000.00
3/20/2000 1990 4800 Dealer $33,900.00
5/1/2000 1990 2455 Private $33,800.00
8/1/2000 1990 30000 Private $22,300.00
8/7/2000 1990 22000 Private $27,000.00
8/30/2000 1990 21000 Private $25,000.00
10/1/2000 1990 17000 Dealer $35,000.00
1/1/2001 1990 471 Private $35,000.00
1/25/2001 1990 34500 Private $22,500.00
2/23/2001 1990 46673 Dealer $25,000.00
3/1/2001 1990 2028 Dealer $34,900.00
4/1/2001 1990 61000 Private $20,000.00
5/1/2001 1990 38000 Private $26,000.00
6/1/2001 1990 2800 Private $29,000.00
7/1/2001 1990 23000 Private $24,000.00
7/3/2001 1990 1384 Dealer $28,500.00
8/1/2001 1990 43000 Private $19,000.00
11/1/2001 1990 38000 Private $24,000.00
11/3/2001 1990 50000 Private $16,000.00
Average $ $30,846.82
6/1/1997 1990 62000 Private $6K GBP
?/?/1999 1991 7050 Private $32,000.00
?/?/2000 1991 124000 Private $16,000.00
?/?/97 1991 42000 Private $4,000.00 Wrecked
?? 1991 20000 Private $29,000.00
5/1/1991 1991 0 Dealer $50,500.00
5/24/1991 1991 10 Dealer $72,623.00
10/7/1991 1991 85 Dealer $50,000.00
3/1/1992 1991 3000 Dealer $42,500.00
4/22/1992 1991 641 Dealer $38,000.00
12/2/1992 1991 230 Dealer $46,307.00
9/1/1993 1991 16000 Private $34,000.00
9/4/1993 1991 17371 Dealer $34,000.00
12/15/1993 1991 6700 Private $37,000.00
4/1/1994 1991 14000 Dealer $32,500.00
6/1/1994 1991 5000 Private $33,000.00
11/24/1994 1991 3800 Dealer $35,500.00
2/20/1995 1991 6500 Private $34,500.00
7/1/1995 1991 4510 Private $36,750.00
7/1/1995 1991 7500 Dealer $33,500.00
7/1/1995 1991 4000 Private $38,500.00
8/1/1995 1991 0 Dealer $39,000.00
9/1/1995 1991 13000 Dealer $28,000.00
12/2/1995 1991 4200 Private $41,000.00
6/22/1996 1991 19851 Dealer $33,000.00
6/28/1996 1991 5600 Dealer $37,000.00
7/1/1996 1991 5600 Dealer $37,500.00
8/3/1996 1991 1800 Dealer $40,000.00
8/7/1996 1991 14560 Dealer $29,500.00
8/14/1996 1991 24747 Dealer $27,000.00
10/15/1996 1991 7980 Private $35,750.00
12/1/1996 1991 5200 Dealer $35,000.00
4/15/1997 1991 14000 Dealer $33,500.00
6/22/1997 1991 51000 Private $27,900.00
8/1/1997 1991 22000 Private $28,750.00
9/1/1997 1991 38000 Dealer $28,000.00
9/1/1997 1991 19000 Private $29,000.00
12/1/1997 1991 12500 Dealer $32,000.00
12/24/1997 1991 9710 Private $25,000.00
3/7/1998 1991 4171 Private $9,500.00 Damaged
4/1/1998 1991 4400 Private $40,000.00
5/1/1998 1991 78000 Private $23,500.00
5/28/1998 1991 12200 Dealer $29,900.00
6/1/1998 1991 4200 Private $29,995.00
7/8/1998 1991 12207 Private $28,750.00
8/1/1998 1991 18542 Private $22,725.00
8/1/1998 1991 59000 Dealer $26,000.00
9/1/1998 1991 1990 Dealer $33,500.00
9/29/1998 1991 16000 Private $27,500.00
3/1/1999 1991 34000 Private $25,000.00
5/15/1999 1991 11000 Private $33,500.00
6/1/1999 1991 22000 Private $31,000.00
6/6/1999 1991 9380 Private $32,000.00
11/1/1999 1991 16000 Private $30,000.00
1/1/2000 1991 19000 Dealer $27,000.00
4/1/2000 1991 108000 Private $17,500.00
4/1/2000 1991 12200 Private $29,750.00
7/1/2000 1991 32500 Dealer $26,000.00
9/1/2000 1991 44000 Private $22,600.00
11/1/2000 1991 10000 Private $28,000.00
11/1/2000 1991 37000 Dealer $29,000.00
12/1/2000 1991 28000 Private $25,000.00
3/1/2001 1991 36700 Private $28,000.00
3/1/2001 1991 23700 Dealer $32,000.00
3/1/2001 1991 27000 Private $29,000.00
3/20/2001 1991 28000 Private $22,500.00
4/1/2001 1991 19000 Private $25,000.00
4/27/2001 1991 13100 Private $26,000.00
5/1/2001 1991 65000 Dealer $24,900.00
8/1/2001 1991 72000 Dealer $19,000.00
8/28/2001 1991 36000 Private $24,000.00
Average $ $27,879.99
8/17/1993 1992 32 Dealer $47,000.00
8/1/1994 1992 79 Dealer $46,000.00
9/1/1997 1992 33000 Dealer $33,000.00
1/1/1998 1992 26500 Dealer $29,995.00
5/1/1998 1992 4392 Private $35,500.00
6/1/1998 1992 26666 Private $30,500.00
6/3/1998 1992 4500 Private $49,000.00
5/1/2000 1992 36000 Private $24,000.00
2/1/2001 1992 3400 Private $35,000.00
6/1/2001 1992 26000 Private $30,000.00
10/17/2001 1992 62789 Private $21,900.00
12/1/2001 1992 32000 Private $26,000.00
Average $ $33,991.25
1/13/1993 1993 3 Dealer $55,600.00 40th
6/1/1993 1993 11 Dealer $69,000.00
11/1/1993 1993 500 Dealer $50,000.00
7/5/1994 1993 3140 Dealer $43,500.00
10/1/1994 1993 6000 Private $43,000.00
9/1/1995 1993 4300 Private $50,000.00 40th
12/30/1996 1993 850 Dealer $56,500.00 40th
2/1/1999 1993 30000 Private $31,500.00
2/4/1999 1993 390 Private $51,000.00 40th
8/1/1999 1993 32000 Private $27,000.00
8/1/1999 1993 32000 Private $38,000.00 40th
10/1/2000 1993 29000 Private $36,000.00
3/3/2001 1993 1000 Dealer $53,000.00 40th
6/1/2001 1993 91000 Private $28,000.00
8/25/2001 1993 15550 Dealer $39,950.00 40th
10/1/1993 1993 40000 Dealer $30,000.00
Average $ $43,878.13
?/?/1996 1994 22000 Private $48,000.00
11/1/1993 1994 5 Dealer $59,950.00
8/20/1994 1994 100 Dealer $54,900.00
10/31/1994 1994 12 Dealer $55,000.00
11/19/1994 1994 20 Dealer $46,893.00
5/1/1995 1994 5000 Dealer $45,000.00
7/1/1997 1994 8000 Private $42,500.00
7/1/1998 1994 13500 Private $41,000.00
7/1/1998 1994 20500 Private $20,600.00
9/1/1998 1994 50000 Private $30,000.00
11/1/1998 1994 1500 Dealer $40,500.00
3/1/1999 1994 16000 Private $39,000.00
4/13/1999 1994 4200 Dealer $42,700.00
6/19/1999 1994 32200 Dealer $35,000.00
8/1/1999 1994 12500 Dealer $42,000.00
5/1/2000 1994 36000 Dealer $39,000.00
9/1/2000 1994 7500 Dealer $39,500.00
10/12/2000 1994 27500 Dealer $34,000.00
2/14/2001 1994 48400 Private $28,000.00
5/19/1994 1994 13 Dealer $74,927.46
12/20/2001 1994 2010 Private $37,000.00
Average $ $42,641.45
12/27/1994 1995 39 Dealer $64,123.00
5/1/1995 1995 32 Dealer $65,000.00
6/9/1995 1995 100 Dealer $62,000.00
10/1/1995 1995 16 Dealer $69,000.00
4/1/1997 1995 45 Dealer $56,500.00
12/23/1997 1995 10263 Dealer $52,500.00
6/1/1999 1995 37000 Dealer $44,000.00
6/11/1999 1995 19 Dealer $62,000.00
8/1/1999 1995 3180 Private $47,000.00
8/1/1999 1995 25100 Dealer $70,000.00
2/14/2000 1995 3 Dealer $42,735.00
11/1/2000 1995 9600 Dealer $44,000.00
5/5/2001 1995 13805 Dealer $49,900.00
7/1/2001 1995 17000 Private $47,500.00
8/1/2001 1995 1774 Private $40,000.00
5/1/1998 1995 15000 Dealer $50,000.00
Average $ $54,141.13
Sorry guys, I know it a long list!
02-19-2002, 03:00 AM
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St. Jude Donor '06
Re: What are the Disadvantages of Getting a 91-2 Z over 94-5? (USAZR1)
Blue Book means nothing to the owner of a collector car. Cars will only bring what the market will bear. Obviously,nice 95's will bring the big bucks. It doesn't matter whether you or I think they are worth it. They are.
Everyone says the market is way down yet the major ZR-1 dealers are still selling their top quality cars at top prices. Since I talk to most of them on occasion,I know this for a fact.
Everyone says the market is way down yet the major ZR-1 dealers are still selling their top quality cars at top prices. Since I talk to most of them on occasion,I know this for a fact.
02-19-2002, 08:10 AM
#13
Le Mans Master
Re: What are the Disadvantages of Getting a 91-2 Z over 94-5? (ZR_Don)
yes, the 94 that sold for 30K was indeed wrecked. but no frame damage and the repairs/repaint were done well. I would have snagged it in a minute for that price!!! the cars with the dunns heads sound rare indeed. does anyone know how many of them were made???
great posts!!!
great posts!!!
02-19-2002, 09:23 AM
#14
Drifting
Re: What are the Disadvantages of Getting a 91-2 Z over 94-5? (Rkreigh)
There were 130 cars that came with the Dunn heads. If you owned one of the last 100 cars made in 95 then your chances are real good that you have the A.L. DUNN heads. I understand the earliest VIN # for a 1995 that I know of with Dunn heads is #161. They were not consistently installed. (DEMPS) and me we’re lucky to have a set of these Dunn heads.
