today is the first time i have ever driven my zr1 and c6 in the same day.my z may need new injectors it chugs a little in 6th gear.i guess that is enough to make a noticeable difference in performance.i honestly thaught they would be fairly close. tell me im right ,or can a base model vette take my z
i have 2zr1s blk car is way fater than my buddies c6-6speed the callaway snat475 gets him by 3cars to 140 .if your dead stk it would be in favor of the c-6 by a car or 2 is my best guess. of course my bu has an o8 with430 horse.
I always thought it wasn't as far a difference as one might think.
I figured my wife's 2007 C6 would blow my '90 ZR-1s doors off, but I honestly liked driving the Z better because it felt like the power band was wider.
But with an '08 and 436 ponies, I don't think there'd be much of a contest. BUT, how many 18 year old cars can you compare to today's Vettes?! Not too many!
I always thought it wasn't as far a difference as one might think.
I figured my wife's 2007 C6 would blow my '90 ZR-1s doors off, but I honestly liked driving the Z better because it felt like the power band was wider.
But with an '08 and 436 ponies, I don't think there'd be much of a contest. BUT, how many 18 year old cars can you compare to today's Vettes?! Not too many!
Inj Housings, plenum, headers, exhaust, air cleaner and the C6 is toast
true story on the above that is what my blk car has and it makes short work of my bud fom a roll. allthough i sawa an auto 08 at famoso dead stk run 12.30 @116 mph . so at the strip be carefull. our cars are made for a roll race . that is where they shine . i was dead even to 130 with another friend brand new 08 z06 . man was he hot 80 k and couldnt beat me .i laughed so had i almost wet my pants watching him rant saying i am taking this fing thing back
i didnt specify so it does make some difference the c6 is 06 model 400 hp,not an 08.i really felt they would be closer stock,the c6 is noticeably faster.ordered some new injectors im sure it will help.the zr1 is a 91 model 30k so its been sitting in garage for a lot of its life,injectors are due
today is the first time i have ever driven my zr1 and c6 in the same day.my z may need new injectors it chugs a little in 6th gear.i guess that is enough to make a noticeable difference in performance.i honestly thaught they would be fairly close. tell me im right ,or can a base model vette take my z
6th gear is not the fastest gear to assess your ZR-1. It was only put in the ZR-1 to avoid the gas guzzler penalty. I'd bet most ZR-1'sbog down somewhat in 6th.
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6th gear is not the fastest gear to assess your ZR-1. It was only put in the ZR-1 to avoid the gas guzzler penalty. I'd bet most ZR-1'sbog down somewhat in 6th.
The C6 with the Z51 set up is very quick particularly in the right hands and if the OEM Runcraps are replaced. On my 05 C6 I replaced the Goodyears with Nitto Invo and totally transformed traction and turn in feel. Off the line the biggest problem is controlling rear end..will break loose easily and another limiter is the torque control program...pretty noticeable in the auto box and less so in the 6MN. My C6 went to Lingenfelter for the 366 package and is now putting out ~455-465 WHP (depending on weather) and has the torque program highly limited and red line put to 7000 rpm..it is fast particularly in my son's hands (he is a track driver).
Of course 'the curves' have a lot to do with the engine and performance... here is the C6 Lingenfelter 366 (NA) (no headers and Corsa Sports with X mid pipe) and be interesting to see a similar read out for a ZR-1 stock and modified:
I have not really run my ZR hard, but obviously the way the C6 is set up would not be a fair comparison...none the less still love the way the ZR feels and the engine at higher rpms is
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6th gear is not the fastest gear to assess your ZR-1. It was only put in the ZR-1 to avoid the gas guzzler penalty. I'd bet most ZR-1'sbog down somewhat in 6th.
I can take my ZR1 down to ~500 RPM/25 MPH in 6th with no problem. I step into it to accelerate and it just picks up speed with nary a complaint, it absolutely amazes people especially after seeing a 7000 RPM banzai run in 1st/2nd/3rd. That's the beauty of the dual mode manifold...tractor engine at low RPM and high HP screamer at high RPM.
I know how much you are willing to spend can make your car a lot faster if you are smart about who and what you use, but this year I am going to get my driving skills up a notch. I think I am a pretty good driver, but I bet I am not even 50 % close to pushing my Z06 to the limit, the ZR-1 I feel is less forgiving so I would say 30 % of the limit. I would guess the ZR-1 takes more talent to get the most out of it so I am not modding my cars for a year until I get it together behind the wheel more. Autocross seems like a start with maybe a high performance driving school.
I can take my ZR1 down to ~500 RPM/25 MPH in 6th with no problem. I step into it to accelerate and it just picks up speed with nary a complaint, it absolutely amazes people especially after seeing a 7000 RPM banzai run in 1st/2nd/3rd. That's the beauty of the dual mode manifold...tractor engine at low RPM and high HP screamer at high RPM.
Nope, the original 3.45s, I'm bone stock...still have the original wiper blades even.
If you think about it, the 1st-4th skip shift happens as early as 12 MPH. With 4th being 1:1 and 6th being .5:1, it's equivalent to being in 6th at 24 MPH. If it'll pull 4th from 12 MPH, it'll pull 6th from 25 MPH.
A26B and I just finished the Spring Mountain Mortorsports Corvette level 1 performance driving school this past week. We drove C5/Z06's, C6/Z51's & Z06's, a C6 SC Callaway and my totally stock Ruby ZR1 (427 CRHP wt a Haibeck tune).
Lots of cars to compair...
Best all around for me was the C6 Z06, stuck to the track the best and had great pwr and cost a fraction of the Callaway.
SC Callaway: Most fun for me, the feel and sound was awesome but it didn't perform on the track much better than the stock C6 Z06. It could out power it but that's not enough... The aftermarket seats were much better for lateral support than all the rest.
C6/Z51 is a great car but after driving the ZO6 for most of the day and then getting back into the Z51 you could really tell the difference. Not just the power but the entire handling package.
C5/Z06 was just as good as the C6/Z51 however it's not as civil. Lots of pwr and great handling and surprisingly more 360 deg visibility than the rest.
ZR1 was a totally different beast. Shift throws longer, RPM band longer, and a feel of less torque in the same gears. Even with the short comings the old girl held her own. Shifting into lower gears and using the longer RPM range really had advantages, the seats held you much better than the C5/6, the car was easy to balance in the turns, the old original brakes felt strong (only 4 laps) and the car was almost as sticky as the C6 in the turns. Lot of the students were surprised by the ZR1 passing them in the back stretch (only place we were allowed to pass.) No the ZR1 is not the car the C6 Z06 is but its still a blast to drive and can hold it's own when driven properly.
If you think about it, the 1st-4th skip shift happens as early as 12 MPH. With 4th being 1:1 and 6th being .5:1, it's equivalent to being in 6th at 24 MPH. If it'll pull 4th from 12 MPH, it'll pull 6th from 25 MPH.
Torque multiplication doesn't work that way, though. But if your car does it well... After changing the injectors, mine will pull 6th from pretty low up grades without chugging. I don't usually stay in gear lower than about 800rpm though, as the idle speed is generally higher than that when moving. It doesn't feel "right" to me. But the engine is quite flexible.
Torque multiplication doesn't work that way, though. But if your car does it well... After changing the injectors, mine will pull 6th from pretty low up grades without chugging. I don't usually stay in gear lower than about 800rpm though, as the idle speed is generally higher than that when moving. It doesn't feel "right" to me. But the engine is quite flexible.
I hear what you're saying about torque multiplication, but I was referring to the RPM the engine was at. In other words, if the engine can run at that low of an RPM in 4th, then it can do it in 6th. Obviously acceleration wouldn't be the same as in 4th because you'd have half the torque to the wheels when in 6th due to the torque multiplication as you said. One thing you have to keep in mind is I live at sea level in FL where it's fl_______at. The only hills we have around here are bridges and if I'm below ~35-40 MPH, I'll downshift. If I'm at 25-30 MPH and traffic accelerates briskly, I'll downshift to 4th and easily keep up. A friend of mine was with me when I did a brisk acceleration in 4th below 1000 RPM and couldn't get over how hard it pulled from such a low RPM in 4th. He had me do it again because he couldn't believe it the first time he saw it. I don't know, maybe I've got an odd one...it does seem to make gobs of torque at a very low RPM.
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After changing the injectors, mine will pull 6th from pretty low up grades without chugging. I don't usually stay in gear lower than about 800rpm though, as the idle speed is generally higher than that when moving. It doesn't feel "right" to me. But the engine is quite flexible.
