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Old 06-15-2006, 05:30 PM   #1
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Default New Push Style Clutch with hyrdaulic Throw out bearing for ZF 6 speeds

I posted this in C4 Tech, but thought the ZR1 crowd would be very interested in this as well:

New Ram Clutch Link

-It seems to have a number of great features going for it:
1) Hydraulic throwout bearing (direct action, no more clutch fork issues)
Can be used with stock vette master cylinder.

2) Greater clamping force than possible with the Valeo style pressure plates used in Pull style clutches. Therefore you can get more holding force without stepping up to a on/off type metallic clutch disk material.

3) SFI rating.

Has anyone here installed one yet?

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Old 06-15-2006, 08:25 PM   #2
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I have one in my 94. Best move I made. It Has a little more pedal pressure,Drives like stock in stop & go Traffic And Has 700 More lbs of clamping force ,Plus unlike the stock pressure plate it is flat & not warped so the disc makes full contact with both the pressure plate & the flywheel. Bob
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Old 06-15-2006, 09:19 PM   #3
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I have one in my 94. Best move I made. It Has a little more pedal pressure,Drives like stock in stop & go Traffic And Has 700 More lbs of clamping force ,Plus unlike the stock pressure plate it is flat & not warped so the disc makes full contact with both the pressure plate & the flywheel. Bob
Bob, Great info!

-Which disk material did you specify?

-Do you get much gear noise / rattle in 5th and 6th gears at low rpm?
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Old 06-15-2006, 10:34 PM   #4
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89-91 L98 / 92-93 LT1

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Old 06-15-2006, 10:40 PM   #5
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I have the stock type Material That is suposed to be a better grade than OEM the matalic is to grabby for stop & go traffic . as far as the gear rattle the sprung hub absorbs some but it is still noticeable. BOB
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Old 06-16-2006, 03:04 AM   #6
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I have the stock type Material That is suposed to be a better grade than OEM the matalic is to grabby for stop & go traffic . as far as the gear rattle the sprung hub absorbs some but it is still noticeable. BOB
I noticed that the introduction literature mentioned that there would be some gear rattle due to the "semi-rigid hub" on the disk. The 8 plastic overmolded springs may be too rigid to effectively stop gear rattle at low loads. Perhaps substituting a disk with the more typical setup of six free springs may work best to avoid cruising gear rattle with this setup.
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Old 06-16-2006, 03:41 PM   #7
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The 8 plastic overmolded springs may be too rigid to effectively stop gear rattle at low loads. Perhaps substituting a disk with the more typical setup of six free springs may work best to avoid cruising gear rattle with this setup.
I'm really interested in this product, I'm curious to see how it works out for others...For me anyway, I'll just turn up the stereo a little louder for low rpm duty....at higher loads, the 32 valve song should drown out everything else!
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Old 06-16-2006, 03:46 PM   #8
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I have one in my 94. Best move I made. It Has a little more pedal pressure,Drives like stock in stop & go Traffic And Has 700 More lbs of clamping force ,Plus unlike the stock pressure plate it is flat & not warped so the disc makes full contact with both the pressure plate & the flywheel. Bob

How much abuse have you given this clutch, and how how has it held up? Thanks.
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Old 06-16-2006, 08:18 PM   #9
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I've heard great things about this setup. And I've heard it. It does rattle pretty bad. But, not as bad as the stock clutch with the lightweight flywheel.

Hopefully a solution will be found. I'd buy one!
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Old 06-17-2006, 04:40 PM   #10
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The part I found interesting was the part where they mentioned the dual mass flywheel which is included. Anyone know the weight of the flywheel?
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having to use a dual mas, may keep some of us from going for this
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The part I found interesting was the part where they mentioned the dual mass flywheel which is included. Anyone know the weight of the flywheel?
It's not a dual mass flywheel, it is a traditional single mass flywheel that is included.
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My mistake. I wonder if they sell this without the flywheel? I have the single mass already. Along with the noise of course. The stock clutch is not going to last long against the stroker. 900 is a bit steep though. So heres a good one. If you have a 91 car, with a single mass flywheel, and a 94-95 transmission, what part number would you order? I would assume that it is determined by the transmission input shaft.

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My mistake. I wonder if they sell this without the flywheel? I have the single mass already. Along with the noise of course. The stock clutch is not going to last long against the stroker. 900 is a bit steep though. So heres a good one. If you have a 91 car, with a single mass flywheel, and a 94-95 transmission, what part number would you order? I would assume that it is determined by the transmission input shaft.
You would order the 94-95 system. The blue tag transmissions have a larger diameter sleeve around the input shaft, which therefore requires a TO bearing with a larger ID. That is the only difference in the clutch assemblies.

From the photos, I don't think you can use your existing single mass flywheel. For one thing, it appears that the dimension from the crank flange to the friction surface is smaller with the RAM design (probably was necessary to be able to fit everything within the bell housing).
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In the description of this it states

"The kit does not include the adapter from the factory master line to the an bearing fitting."

Does this replace the clutch slave cylinder, and do you need a new hose to go from the master to the new internal hydraulic release bearing?

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My mistake. I wonder if they sell this without the flywheel? I have the single mass already. Along with the noise of course. The stock clutch is not going to last long against the stroker. 900 is a bit steep though. So heres a good one. If you have a 91 car, with a single mass flywheel, and a 94-95 transmission, what part number would you order? I would assume that it is determined by the transmission input shaft.
you sure you can't run the stock clutch? I know many of our big cube brothers are running the stock clutch
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In the description of this it states

"The kit does not include the adapter from the factory master line to the an bearing fitting."

Does this replace the clutch slave cylinder, and do you need a new hose to go from the master to the new internal hydraulic release bearing?

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It replaces the slave cylinder. So the adapter would be from the existing hose or master cylinder fitting to a new hose.

As for the adapter fitting, you would think that they would make this readily available or a standard part of the kit. Perhaps they are really hinting that you should buy a new master cylinder?

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you sure you can't run the stock clutch? I know many of our big cube brothers are running the stock clutch
Your talking to one. 415 with stage III cams, no secondaries, oliver rods, etc. Over 550hp/500trq at the rear wheels. The centerforce I have in there now is not going to be there next spring. At only 180 bucks I am seriously considering putting the stock luk clutch back in, but the later model slave appeals to me too.
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I have one in my 94. Best move I made. It Has a little more pedal pressure,Drives like stock in stop & go Traffic And Has 700 More lbs of clamping force ,Plus unlike the stock pressure plate it is flat & not warped so the disc makes full contact with both the pressure plate & the flywheel. Bob

NHRA397, where did you get the adapter to connect this setup to your factory clutch master? Was a longer braided line needed or just a fitting of some sort?

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Old 06-19-2006, 12:56 AM   #20
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You need -3 Braided line Aprox 4ft plus another piece1 1/2 ft with a bleeder on the end. As for The Fitting i will have to get back to you on what it is , give me a couple of days
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