If you are planning to purchase a car from "CorvetteDreamer25" use good care. Just purchased eBay item#4594215900 ZR1 78k miles Excellent condition. Currently in dispute on eBay purchase.
Gabe (corvetteDreamer25) was dishonest the entire time I dealt with him. Gabe advertised the car as "boballison3936" on eBay under the name of Robert Kragen. Not certain why Gabe does not advertise using his eBay account - that is if he has one which is easy enough to register for. One thing I do know is Gabe has internet access.
Anyway, first he said he owned the car and it was in his name and indicated he had had the car for quite some time. Gabe said he bought the car when he graduated from college and now could not afford to keep it as he had just purchased a house. Then he tells me the car is not in his name. Car was in the name of James Mueller. Then he tells me the car is free and clear. Then he tells me the car has a lien. Next Gabe emails me and says that he was going to make the receipt out for $13,800 because he had sold the car to someone else who later backed out at that price. Gabe said that he was giving me a break because it would save me on the sales tax. Next I get a copy of the title that shows $13,800 is what Gabe paid for the car. Gabe advertised that car as having 78,500 miles on it. When Gabe purchased the car 11/05 it had 80,500 miles on it per title. I can send you a copy of the title if you wish to see it. I asked Gabe what type of oil he used in the car. Gabe said he always has used Mobile One 5-30W. Next I find out that Gabe never had changed the oil on this car.
Gabe advertised the car as being in Excellent shape and rated the exterior 8.5. According to Kelly Blue Book "Excellent" condition means that the vehicle looks new, is in excellent mechanical condition and needs no reconditioning. Vehicle has never had any paint or body work and is free of rust. Vehicle has a clean Title History and will pass a smog and safety inspection. The engine compartment is clean, with no fluid leaks and is free of any wear or visible defects.
The car was actually in fair condition: ""Fair" condition means that the vehicle has some mechanical or cosmetic defects and needs servicing but is still in reasonable running condition. This vehicle has a clean Title History, the paint, body and/or interior need work performed by a professional. The tires may need to be replaced.
The car Gabe sold me needs to be repainted due to a bad repaint on the passengers side. I asked Gabe if the car had ever been in an accident and he said no. The car actually HAS been in an accident which is evident from a distance on the passenger side. Paint is chipping and bubbling. The front tires were bald on the outside edges. The gas cap was missing. Cooling system was leaking at the engine block. Intake/cam covers badly stained. The lower front air dam was loose and almost came off in Flagstaff. Thank goodness for zip ties.
Gabe rated the interior 9 out of ten. The center console in cracked in two places. The center console pad is warped and needs to be replaced. The drivers side console trim is warped. The shifter knob leather was worn so badly that it was torn and was barely attached to the knob. The plastic center console is badly/scratched worn. The drivers side door lock will not open from the outside. The drivers side seat needs to be recovered/replaced. Some of the drivers/passengers side seat controls do not work. The cars low tire pressure warning light was on. The ride control system does not work and was disconnected.
FYI ... If you are planning to use an independent inspection service be aware that they do not indicate condition as Excellent/Good/Fair/poor ect. At least that is what I discovered by using the service recommended on eBay. One error the inspector made was in measuring tire tread depth. The side walls on both front tires were bald. Both were replaced in Vegas as the radial cords were exposed when I reached my destination. Inspector errored by measuring front tires where tire tread was deepest. This is NOT accepted practice. Anyway lession learned.
I understand that I bought a used car however it is neither in excellent shape or even close to a car advertised at worst as an 8.5 out of ten. Use caution!
Frankly, I was very discouraged. Flew from Vegas to Indianapolis to pick up this car. You would probably agree that most owners keep good care of these vehicles. As such, it was not unreasonable for me to expect to see the car in this condition. My understanding is Gabe buys these cars and flips them. Cars are never registered in his name. I don't have a problem with this. I do have a problem with misrepresentation however. Felt others on this site should use caution with this seller.
So let me get this straight we have an inspector saying the car is in good condition, looks it over for leaks, weird noises he finds nothing. I said the car was a driver i said the car needed some minor interior work tobe perfect,Again why i bought the car, why i sold it has nothing to do with our transaction. Mobil one was used in the car, shown by all the oil change recipts with the car i never said i was the one that changed it.
the car did have the mileage stated when bought.please also be informed that this guy posted a negative feedback stating the car actually had 134k miles because he couldnt tell the difference bewteen km and miles BEFORE he even actually picked the car up, signifying he was a little bit mentally unsound.
Opinions on condition of the car is subjective and can vary wildly , but even if we have different opinions on what nice is, YOU PICKED THE CAR UP IN PERSON, YOU LOOKED IT OVER YOURSELF, YOU DECIDED TO BUY IT, not me and not my opinion swayed you on buying the car in person, YOUR OPINION DID.
And the car did get you home on over a 2,000 mile trip, which must say something about the car. I even provided the previous owner for you, even before you bought the car, so obviously i wasnt hiding anything.
All the things you mentioned if all true are found on most used car ,especially ones that are 15 years old, YOU SAW THEM, YOU POINTED IT OUT, again before buying the car.
you have nothing to complain about and if you didnt want to buy the car, you shouldnt have, instead of buying and driving it back 2,000 miles and then bitching about 15 dollar plastic parts.
Again I have emailed you several times asking about the problems with the car, yet you dont answer to me,
So if the car somehow got misrepresented, YOU were the one who misrepresented the car to yourself, not me.
I have emailed you several times and you never respond on the issues with you have with the car, instead you get in a pissing contest with someone that doesnt even know the vehicle, very immature and very unprofessional.
Let me know when you grow up and we can talk further about this.
But all the things you outlined here, YOU KNEW ABOUT and SAW before buying the car.
again if you wanted perfection there are bubble 90 zr1s on ebay for 40k, but you paid well less than half that.
Pm me if you want the real story of this transaction.
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Originally Posted by allvegashomes
If you are planning to purchase a car from "CorvetteDreamer25" use good care. Just purchased eBay item#4594215900 ZR1 78k miles Excellent condition. Currently in dispute on eBay purchase.
Gabe (corvetteDreamer25) was dishonest the entire time I dealt with him. Gabe advertised the car as "boballison3936" on eBay under the name of Robert Kragen. Not certain why Gabe does not advertise using his eBay account - that is if he has one which is easy enough to register for. One thing I do know is Gabe has internet access.
Anyway, first he said he owned the car and it was in his name and indicated he had had the car for quite some time. Gabe said he bought the car when he graduated from college and now could not afford to keep it as he had just purchased a house. Then he tells me the car is not in his name. Car was in the name of James Mueller. Then he tells me the car is free and clear. Then he tells me the car has a lien. Next Gabe emails me and says that he was going to make the receipt out for $13,800 because he had sold the car to someone else who later backed out at that price. Gabe said that he was giving me a break because it would save me on the sales tax. Next I get a copy of the title that shows $13,800 is what Gabe paid for the car. Gabe advertised that car as having 78,500 miles on it. When Gabe purchased the car 11/05 it had 80,500 miles on it per title. I can send you a copy of the title if you wish to see it. I asked Gabe what type of oil he used in the car. Gabe said he always has used Mobile One 5-30W. Next I find out that Gabe never had changed the oil on this car.
Gabe advertised the car as being in Excellent shape and rated the exterior 8.5. According to Kelly Blue Book "Excellent" condition means that the vehicle looks new, is in excellent mechanical condition and needs no reconditioning. Vehicle has never had any paint or body work and is free of rust. Vehicle has a clean Title History and will pass a smog and safety inspection. The engine compartment is clean, with no fluid leaks and is free of any wear or visible defects.
The car was actually in fair condition: ""Fair" condition means that the vehicle has some mechanical or cosmetic defects and needs servicing but is still in reasonable running condition. This vehicle has a clean Title History, the paint, body and/or interior need work performed by a professional. The tires may need to be replaced.
The car Gabe sold me needs to be repainted due to a bad repaint on the passengers side. I asked Gabe if the car had ever been in an accident and he said no. The car actually HAS been in an accident which is evident from a distance on the passenger side. Paint is chipping and bubbling. The front tires were bald on the outside edges. The gas cap was missing. Cooling system was leaking at the engine block. Intake/cam covers badly stained. The lower front air dam was loose and almost came off in Flagstaff. Thank goodness for zip ties.
Gabe rated the interior 9 out of ten. The center console in cracked in two places. The center console pad is warped and needs to be replaced. The drivers side console trim is warped. The shifter knob leather was worn so badly that it was torn and was barely attached to the knob. The plastic center console is badly/scratched worn. The drivers side door lock will not open from the outside. The drivers side seat needs to be recovered/replaced. Some of the drivers/passengers side seat controls do not work. The cars low tire pressure warning light was on. The ride control system does not work and was disconnected.
FYI ... If you are planning to use an independent inspection service be aware that they do not indicate condition as Excellent/Good/Fair/poor ect. At least that is what I discovered by using the service recommended on eBay. One error the inspector made was in measuring tire tread depth. The side walls on both front tires were bald. Both were replaced in Vegas as the radial cords were exposed when I reached my destination. Inspector errored by measuring front tires where tire tread was deepest. This is NOT accepted practice. Anyway lession learned.
I understand that I bought a used car however it is neither in excellent shape or even close to a car advertised at worst as an 8.5 out of ten. Use caution!
Not sure how you feel. I had wanted one of these cars since I first saw one in 1989. Of course, I didn't have the bucks then. Felt like I was in the middle of a "pet rescue". Poor baby - will be good as new soon.
sounds can be deceiving taking one persons opinion on a situation is never a good way to find out the actual truth
bottom line, he saw the car, he looked over the car, he drove the car, he had the car inspected, ALL BEFORE HE BOUGHT IT.
I didnt have a gun to his head,
Let me ask you this DDLT5, if i come out, have your car inspected, look it over, drive it and then decide to buy it, and then a week later I say the things i found wrong with the car when i looked it over, just break the sale for me and i want to return the car or butcher you on the forum? how would u feel?
I decided to buy your used car, you didnt force me, same situation here, if i had issues with your car, they should of been brought up before i bought the car, and if there were enough issues that i didnt want to buy the car, then i wouldnt buy it. But i sure wouldnt blame you about questioning MY decision a week later after purchase
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Originally Posted by DDSLT5
This guy sounds like a sucking fleshy cancer on the ass of our fair zr-1 community. Time to excise this sucker! SCALPEL!!!
Corvette25 - you are the slippery one aren't you? BTW Inspector never said the car was in good condition. In fact, the inspector does not grade cars. Even if he had "Good" your words, is not he same as "Excellent", again your words. Anyone else disagree? Should have known better - Corvette25 wouldn't even look me in the eyes when I was talking with him. Remember the telephone conversation we had about honestly BEFORE I flew to Indianapolis? I do!
I ran across a previous post and noticed you mentioned the car as a "driver". Again, not close to "Excellent". Anyway guys BE CAREFUL. Corvette25 needs to be watched closely!
I filed a complaint on eBay the day I arrived back in Vegas
DDSLT5 - I told him that I was not happy with the cars condition when I picked it up. I also filed a complaint on eBay the day I arrived back in Vegas. Can send you/anyone the posts if you wish. Corvette25 response to eBay complaint: "GO F**K YOURSELF. Nice. This guys as slimely as they come and should be banned from an otherwise reputable site.
no im being honest.
the inspector told me the car was one of the nicer ones has saw on ebay, you said the inspector said the car was in good condition, so hence i would believe that was his opinion on it.
Excellent/good all have differnt contentations to different people, the car is a good/excellent drive, not a garage queen as stated numerous times.
Again you didnt have to look at me in the eyes you could of been looking at the car you were buying which you did and then decided to buy after seeing the flaws.
bottom line you had many opportunities to handle this in a professional manner, either when buying the car, on the phone or through email after you bought the car, instead you stated lies on ebay,got in a pissing contest with my friend, and decided to cast your opinion and not actual facts over the internet and forums.
Whos the one who was misrepresenting again?
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Originally Posted by allvegashomes
Corvette25 - you are the slippery one aren't you? BTW Inspector never said the car was in good condition. In fact, the inspector does not grade cars. Even if he had "Good" your words, is not he same as "Excellent", again your words. Anyone else disagree? Should have known better - Corvette25 wouldn't even look me in the eyes when I was talking with him. Remember the telephone conversation we had about honestly BEFORE I flew to Indianapolis? I do!
I ran across a previous post and noticed you mentioned the car as a "driver". Again, not close to "Excellent". Anyway guys BE CAREFUL. Corvette25 needs to be watched closely!
No that was my friend bob, who you were verbally bashing and bringing headaches on a car he doesnt even know about after he told you numerous times to contact me.So again you have lied or misrepresented the facts to try and give weight to your story.
corvette25 and boballison19 arent the same people, hence you are misinforming people and you know that.
you said very little about the car, you mentioned the tires and a side of the car you thought may have been repainted, besdies that you pointed out no othing things and obviously they werent enough to change your decision on buying the zr1, was it?
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Originally Posted by allvegashomes
DDSLT5 - I told him that I was not happy with the cars condition when I picked it up. I also filed a complaint on eBay the day I arrived back in Vegas. Can send you/anyone the posts if you wish. Corvette25 response to eBay complaint: "GO F**K YOURSELF. Nice. This guys as slimely as they come and should be banned from an otherwise reputable site.
Location: This city NEVER sleeps! Frank's back yard!
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Originally Posted by CorvetteDreamer25
Let me ask you this DDLT5, if i come out, have your car inspected, look it over, drive it and then decide to buy it, and then a week later I say the things i found wrong with the car when i looked it over, just break the sale for me and i want to return the car or butcher you on the forum? how would u feel?
I decided to buy your used car, you didnt force me, same situation here, if i had issues with your car, they should of been brought up before i bought the car, and if there were enough issues that i didnt want to buy the car, then i wouldnt buy it. But i sure wouldnt blame you about questioning MY decision a week later after purchase
That is true..............but at the same time, had I spent the time and money to fly out to see a 8.5/10 car, and ended up seeing a 6/10 car, I may still buy it, but I'd be offering you less due to the misrepresentation. You may not drop you price, then where does this leave me? High and dry buying an expensive ticket home.
Maybe I'm biased - my father went through a similar situation with a 55 pontiac back in the 80s. Car was said to be mint - we could drive it home! Flew to California, and car was a wreck. We ended up renting to come home. This was before the internet though.
I know how you feel though - you're just trying to make a buck. Be careful though - we Zr-1 folk are a VERY tight community, and we all talk. Be careful to represent the cars VERY accurately with ZR-1 folk - we can make life tough if things aren't as advertised.
Why does Corvette25 advertise on someone elses acct?
DDSLT5 - If Corvette25 is so honest and potentially misunderstood, why does he advertise cars for sale on eBay under an account in someone elses name i.e. boballison3936 or Robert Cragen? Sound like this is on the square? Real name is Gabriel Gordon. Takes about 5 minutes to open a sellers account on eBay. We know Corvette25 has internet access?
Again this i side tracking from the issue
items are listed for sale by many people who do it for friends or pay something to list it for them.
you knew who had the car, i was the one you talked to , you knew my name, you knew my adress.
That statement really said nothing about my integrity and didnt make really any sense.
But if you want to talk on the actual subject of the car and our transaction, then please continue to do so
AS YOU ARE THE ONE that wont answer my emails, not the other way around
thanks
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Originally Posted by allvegashomes
DDSLT5 - If Corvette25 is so honest and potentially misunderstood, why does he advertise cars for sale on eBay under an account in someone elses name i.e. boballison3936 or Robert Cragen? Sound like this is on the square? Real name is Gabriel Gordon. Takes about 5 minutes to open a sellers account on eBay. We know Corvette25 has internet access?
i see your point but lets be honest, what i think is a 8 car may only be a 6.5 or 7 to you or vice versa so that really is a guess in anyones mind.
If he saw major issues that required serious cash he could of renegotiated or walked from the deal, or if he saw minor ones he couldnt live with or didnt want to fix he could of renegotiated or walked, its done all the time. I have gone and picked up a car, and had to fly back because the car was not what i wanted. I wouldnt of had a problem taking him back to the airport for a flight and selling the car to someone else.But again HE CHOSE not too and HE CHOSE to buy the car and a used car, and with any used car, some small things will need tobe fixed or replaced to make it nicer or closer to new.
I understand what your saying and i have owned several zr1s, I believe this car was represented accurately and I allowed the buyer to have an inspections,run carfax reports, test drive it and look over the car I was as open as I could of been.
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Originally Posted by DDSLT5
That is true..............but at the same time, had I spent the time and money to fly out to see a 8.5/10 car, and ended up seeing a 6/10 car, I may still buy it, but I'd be offering you less due to the misrepresentation. You may not drop you price, then where does this leave me? High and dry buying an expensive ticket home.
Maybe I'm biased - my father went through a similar situation with a 55 pontiac back in the 80s. Car was said to be mint - we could drive it home! Flew to California, and car was a wreck. We ended up renting to come home. This was before the internet though.
I know how you feel though - you're just trying to make a buck. Be careful though - we Zr-1 folk are a VERY tight community, and we all talk. Be careful to represent the cars VERY accurately with ZR-1 folk - we can make life tough if things aren't as advertised.
Speaking of intergity - you advertised a car that had 80,500 miles on it when you purchased it 11/05 as having 78,500 miles on eBay. (PDF file attached) You got me. THAT sounds like the act of an honest man. And this was just the first of several dishonest acts. Maybe just another misunderstanding. You know as well as I do that I filed a complaint with eBay when I arrived home last Wednesday. You are also well aware that the dispute is still open.
You also know that I was unhappy when I saw the car. Remember me pointing out that the car had been in an accident? Remember me asking why the shifter knob leather was worn so badly? The seats were torn/center console pad was warped? Remember me asking why the LTPWS light was on? Remember being at the gas station and me pointing out the cooling system leak? You know the LEAK just above the lower radiatior hose? That the gas cap was missing. Maybe you do not remember calling your father and asking him where the gas cap was? Maybe you don't remember your dad telling you that the car did not have one when you purchased it. You probably forgot that I also said that the front tires were bald? I am going to end this thread just be careful guys - this seller is disreputable.
this is bull****, i smell a snake. i dont see why someone needs or would have 3-4 different e-bay names.
everyone is accountable for there actions. what ever happen to the core valves-honest,respect,integrity etc......if i flew to see from canada to go see a ZR-1, and that might very well happen. if i got there, and the car wasnt advertised like it was supposed to be. i would stick that car up someone's xxx.
Last edited by 88BlackZ-51; 12-20-2005 at 06:53 PM.
again the mile was a little below 80k when i bought it.yeah its open, but it doesnt matter, the car was as advertised.
You said the car might have been repainted may it was bumped to i dont know, i gave u the previous owner to talk to on that. you cant say its been in an accident just be a repaint, so thats wrong thinking. Front tires werent bald , but had a significant amount more wear than the rear which were replaced recently, again you saw that before buying.2 new tires 350 to 400. Radiator leak, the car was in a garage and never leaked a bit, inspector didnt find it, if it has one, then a mechanic/inspector and me missed it, again most likely a hose or fitting, probably less than 100 bucks.
so basically to fix all your "Issues" were talking about less than 5 or 600 hundred dollars, hardly a signifcant misrepresentation and you knew about all of them as you just pointed out before purchase and still decided to buy.
Bottom line, you dont have anything to complain about especially at the price you paid for the car. Im still waiting for what warranted a complaint filed on ebay and all this bad mouthing. If putting 500 or 600 into a zr1 is going to break the purchase then you might be buying the wrong car. As you said I could of fixed all of that put about 500 bucks into it and then sold it to you for 20k instead of 16k, would that be better?
Come on you got a good deal on a good car and you know it.
you never said anything about the shift nob while i was there, shift nob cover less than 50 bucks,You never said anything about the seats or carpet either during out transaction but i did say the driver side had some wear as stated in the auction. the low tire pressure sensors are very finicky, i have seen them on many cars, again not a major flaw, find the one thats not working replace it, again about 50 bucks. Gas cap must of been left at a gas station on my trip back, again gas cap(5 to 10 dollars for a nice one)
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Originally Posted by allvegashomes
Speaking of intergity - you advertised a car that had 80,500 miles on it when you purchased it 11/05 as having 78,500 miles on eBay. (PDF file attached) You got me. THAT sounds like the act of an honest man. And this was just the first of several dishonest acts. Maybe just another misunderstanding. You know as well as I do that I filed a complaint with eBay when I arrived home last Wednesday. You are also well aware that the dispute is still open.
You also know that I was unhappy when I saw the car. Remember me pointing out that the car had been in an accident? Remember me asking why the shifter knob leather was worn so badly? The seats were torn/center console pad was warped? Remember me asking why the LTPWS light was on? Remember being at the gas station and me pointing out the cooling system leak? You know the LEAK just above the lower radiatior hose? That the gas cap was missing. Maybe you do not remember calling your father and asking him where the gas cap was? Maybe you don't remember your dad telling you that the car did not have one when you purchased it. You probably forgot that I also said that the front tires were bald? I am going to end this thread just be careful guys - this seller is disreputable.
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