nmay

what do you think about the injector short? will that keep me from getting power to all 8? what if i have two shorted injectors, one on each bank which could shut both banks down?

aklim

At least 4. They are all in bank 1 or bank 2 which is why you have 2 fuses. IIRC they are all hot and the ECM commands them to fire by grounding the circuit. Regardless of which order, if you are in a bank with a dead injector or a break in the circuit, I don't think it will fire.

While we are here, why don't you carefully follow the injector wires and see that there is no break. I had a short caused by the valve cover crimping the wire and it would run but like crap. Because it was the left side, there was no fuel going to the left side and the O2 read lean. That caused it to dump fuel on the right side. Think of your brain. If you get damage on the left, the right side of the body doesn't work.

nmay

i looked at the wires carfully, everything looks good. so your saying if i have a dead injector or more, the harnesses for that bank wont pulse?

nmay

yes the security light is on. the gear is in park, i also tried in neutral. i just tried to crank it again. the starter just clicks now. i think the battery might be dead and i cant charge it till tomorrow. i noticed the other day the my dash kinda shows like its in the driving gear but im in park. my dash lights have going out on and off so i didnt think the drive grear light was real reliable. the d light isnt lit up that much but i see it over the other gear position lights

aklim

Probably not. Ohm all the injectors

aklim

We're done. No battery, no deal. Charge it to full and then keep a tender on it when you are not cranking. That takes A LOT of juice.

nmay

whats the correct reading for the ohm test on the injectors.?

nmay

tender? you mean charger right?

aklim

About 16 ohms but I'd be more concerned if one or more was way out on a bank

aklim

I want to say that the charger dumps a lot of power to get it to full charge ASAP while the trickle charger or tender is a slow charger to maintain it at full charge.

nmay

what do you mean "way out on a bank" like it should read no where near that if its out?

aklim

Say everyone on that bank (left or right) is about 16 ohms except for this one that is at 5 ohms, it would be way out. OTOH, if everyone is 16 and this one is 15.9, probably not so worried.

nmay

i dont have an actual batter charger. i just jump it off of another car

aklim

Sure you can but that won't do anything. It is pretty empty so you need to bring it up to spec. You aren't going to keep them connected and keep the car running for a couple hours, are you?

nmay

i actually have been yes. i was going to buy a new battery but i thought it would be pointless unless i get the car running or i will just drain the new battery. if you were a poor man like myself, would you buy a new battery before moving on?

aklim

I don't know how rich you think I am or how poor you think you are but nobody stays rich forever by throwing away money on unnecessary things. Sooner or later, the money runs out and you are poor.

I wouldn't go buying a new battery until I am certain it is bad. See if Batteries Plus Bulbs will change it up for you. You need to have it charged up to test if it holds a charge or not. If not, you need a new one. If you went out buying batteries everytime you ran it down, well......

desertmike1

I would think so! a short will most likely cause the injector driver circuit in the ECM to shut down, but the Odds of this are pretty remote.. Here is a short video that John from FIC posted on How to test your Injectors. Watch the Video, test your injectors and report back.

You also need to get your Battery Charged up, troubleshooting with a low Battery can be problematic.

3D-Aircrew

So the anti-lock system is just something else to work on later but you got 12-12-12 pause 12-12-12 which means no codes and a nominally working ECM. I don't think it will throw a code for an injector driver transistor if the injector fuses are blown.

Vic'89

I had 2 shorted out Injectors on the same bank and the car would not start.

I omh'ed all the Injectors and those 2 bad ones were way out of the range.

I ended up putting in 8 new ones.

Vic

Vic'89

Charge the battery fully.

Vic