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Old 03-29-2008, 08:56 PM   #1
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Default Anybody run a big cube sbc with Miniram ?

I have just ordered my cam for my 436 sbc, but its not too late to cancel, thus, I am curious if anybody here on this forum have run a big cube sbc.

If yes, if you can share, what were the cam specs of your chosen cam ?

Did you race it ? If yes, what were the et and mph ?

On dyno ? If yes, what were the results ?

Thanks for sharing !
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Old 03-29-2008, 10:49 PM   #2
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Todd, Good to see your still around. What where your best time on your 383 SR 219?
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Old 03-29-2008, 11:01 PM   #3
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Todd, Good to see your still around. What where your best time on your 383 SR 219?
Hi Corvette0096 !

Still around, and I still pop in here from time to time.... usually just to read though.

Going out of memory, my old set-up ran a best of 11.32 @ 119 mph..... but that was in summer air with my 270 lb body in the seat.... in good fall air and with a fiberglass driver, it probably would have run a very bottom 11 at over 120 mph. Might have broke into the 10's with more converter..... For optimum performance, I really think that set-up would have liked a converter another 600-800 rpm looser, but that would have hurt driveability a little more than I probably would have favored so I never did it.

But, I'll never know.....
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Old 03-29-2008, 11:07 PM   #4
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I'm curious about running a bigger engine with a miniram. I've got a 383 now, but has anyone done something like a 434, or a 421 with the miniram. Could if feed enough air?
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miniram is not the best intake to run on a big cubic inch motor, for the price of a mini ram you can get a super vic carb intake setup to run a EFI . big inch motors with a 23 degree head make their power in the lower RPM , so running an intake with a short runner kills that motor. big motors dont like to spin high in the RPMs with the part that most can afford and a 23 degree head, so make sure u get an intake with a longer runner .
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Old 03-30-2008, 12:25 AM   #6
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Hey Beach!

Nice to see ya' back again.

Are you talking about a street driven big inch SB?

I had the MR on mine with the 219 that was mild mannered and went mid 10's before changing out for a more "racy" stick.

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Hey Red, Do you know who still makes the conversion to efi with the super vic intakes ? I already own the MR, but will consider a super vic in the future if the MR doesn't work out.

How are you doing Hookedup ? Down to mid 9's I see !! Thats pretty stout !

Yes, it is a "true" street/strip car..... I want to be able to hop in it and drive anywhere.... thus I am running a hyd roller cam.

Exactly how quick did you run with the MR -219 combination ? MPH ? What size was that motor and compression ? What cylinder head did you run on it ? Who's converter and what stall ?

Thanks !
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Old 03-30-2008, 12:46 AM   #8
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Hey Red, Do you know who still makes the conversion to efi with the super vic intakes ? I already own the MR, but will consider a super vic in the future if the MR doesn't work out.

How are you doing Hookedup ? Down to mid 9's I see !! Thats pretty stout !

Yes, it is a "true" street/strip car..... I want to be able to hop in it and drive anywhere.... thus I am running a hyd roller cam.

Exactly how quick did you run with the MR -219 combination ? MPH ? What size was that motor and compression ? What cylinder head did you run on it ? Who's converter and what stall ?

Thanks !

Hey budd,

jburnett made them but i called him few weeks ago to check on him and his been in and out of the hospital, he got really sick and his kinda behind on bunch of things. But I’m sure by the time your ready to switch over hell be caught up .

bowtie8 on this forum runs a 434 with a miniram, he even thinks that a miniram is not the best intake for a big cubic inch motor that is limited on RPM, his car still ran a 10.9 pass . the miniram is a good intake and flows good , it’s the runner that’s a little problem. A super victor intake is right in the middle between the miniram and the super ram , its best of both world s

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Old 03-30-2008, 01:58 AM   #9
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aside from runner length, fuel/air distribution will be better using a vic.jr set-up as opposed to the mini.
blownvette used to make a vic jr set-up as well.
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Old 03-30-2008, 07:44 AM   #10
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Thanks for the input guys..... and I am sorry to hear about Jeb not feeling well.... I hope he recovers quickly and fully !

gotta run....
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Old 03-30-2008, 08:00 AM   #11
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I run a mini ram on my 434. I can vouch for the air distribution issues. However my torque curve is table top flat. I have over 400rwtq from 3K through 6K rpms. I believe the intake is choking my motor somewhat. I am keeping my eye out for a converted victor jr
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Old 03-30-2008, 09:22 AM   #12
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Holy COW, thought you fell off the face of the earth! Tried to contact you several times it the past few months....maybe the emails I have are bad/old.

At any rate, if you search back through the archieves you can probably dig up where I and Jeb tested the first converted victor jr on my 406. It gained about .2sec over the SR, but did not compare it to the MR, as we ran out of time in the season and I bumped up to the 434.

With my 434 I am using the super victor, which is what you should also consider. I am learning that with these big inch SBs, we are grossly choking them off even with the best 23* heads you can bolt on them. we all should be running 18* or better stuff to see a huge jump in performance...I think wheels-up is the only one out of us that got it right and is blowing all our doors off. lol.

But back to the 23* world, my choice if you did not get the Super Victor would be likely a good ported SR if all you wanted to do was drive it on the street and did not want to get the most out of your setup on the strip. If would be smooth as silk on the street with terrific bottom end which would allow you to run some pretty high gears for fuel economy + plus you could keep the Rs down very low and the motor would last you a lifetime.

However I think a converted single plane could give you all that and performance as well.

Good luck and keep us posted on your progress If your still in OH we should plan to get together sometime out there..
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Old 03-30-2008, 03:16 PM   #13
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As I posted a while back...Edlebrock Single Plane #29785 should be able to flow very well; might even be too big. It's listed as being 4.58" from "China wall" to carb mount. Their new "Elbows" include one; #3847, that is 9" long X 3.62" high, and might fit under the stock hood. It looks like it might not flow as well as their taller units; but that's only a guess. I haven't seen any info on them yet. They also use LS type Throttle Bodies. A plenum could be fabricated that use our TBs, or there's a couple of people on the Forum that can make one.

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Old 03-30-2008, 06:43 PM   #14
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Hey Ski, Whats new ? What about the vette ? private message me.... what email address's have you been using ?

As far as the MR.... I am aware of the distribution issues they had with the MR I..... but I have a MR II.... haven't the issues been taken care of with the II ?

I am aware that the Vic jr is probably a better intake, Ralph sold me on that a few months ago, but, I own a MR, so I'll put it on and see how it does and then maybe switch to the Vic jr..... On the SR, I love the Superram, I think its the best intake for 90% of the people, but I don't think its right for this motor.... I think the MR will do great with it, the only thing about the MR from what I have noticed through a bit of study, is that it needs a lot of converter.... which I will give it on this motor, albeit with a lock-up.
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Old 03-30-2008, 09:42 PM   #15
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I had a miniram on my 421 in it's 3rd configuration, a 10.60-70 car up here (6000-9000da) and switched to a Jebs super victor, and actually lost 3mph and 3 tenths. At that point it always ran 130-131, and with the converted sp manifold it always ran 127. I put the miniram back on, and it was right back to 130-131. Maybe it had something to do with the fact it was a wet nos car, and it was a heavily ported miniram. I now have a miniram on my 450 (4.165x4.125) , 252/260 on a 112ls. But havent had a chance to test it. Ski is right... those 23 degree heads are a big restriction on a maximum effort big inch s.b. With my heavily ported AFR 220's which flow over 315cfm, with my 450, it won't go past 6000 rpm no matter how much duration I throw at it. I guess I am stuck with a torque motor. It will be interesting to see how the 450 compares with my best 421, 248/252 on a 112ls...10.44@133.XX around a 6000ft DA. The 450 feels torquier, but the 421 was a strong runner.
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I have just ordered my cam for my 436 sbc, but its not too late to cancel, thus, I am curious if anybody here on this forum have run a big cube sbc.

If yes, if you can share, what were the cam specs of your chosen cam ?

Did you race it ? If yes, what were the et and mph ?

On dyno ? If yes, what were the results ?

Thanks for sharing !


I will be able to answer that question sometime this summer. Jim is building my a 421 with a ported miniram on it.

What heads are you going with? And what are your power goals?
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Todd!
Wow, a blast from the past!

Good to see you!

You got rid of your old faithful 383?
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Old 03-30-2008, 10:19 PM   #18
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Beach I will catch up with you on old times through email or IM in the near future.

If you want to have a good comparison on probably a more air heavy setup (mine) - send me the MR and I will test it against my super victor setup.

you know me, i am always in the mood for some A-B-A testing to get to the root of things.

Being that I am running a super victor, removing it and putting on the MR, is about as simple as it gets.

It would be interesting to see the comparison.
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What about the First? Anyone think that would support a larger engine. Seems to be making more power than the Miniram up to 5500 RPMs, perhaps a larger, lower engine engine would like that....

What do you all think?
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What about the First? Anyone think that would support a larger engine. Seems to be making more power than the Miniram up to 5500 RPMs, perhaps a larger, lower engine engine would like that....

What do you all think?
Hiya Todd/Beach!!!

Good to see ya here!

Jsup,No,I dont believe they designed it for very large cube engines,unless theres a kit you can buy specific for that I dont know about.Some EFI packages are sold for sbc,or bbc,etc.Thats what would need to be researched.A sbc efi intake may not be suitable for a BBC sized,yet sbc motor.

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