TA

Andy1983, I'm pretty sure by looking at your last, that Jackyl's post went right over your head. He wasn't talking about being able to afford a 91-93 LT1, he was talking about being able to afford a 91-93 Corvette


I too, hate it when people don't know what they're talking about :rolleyes:


[Modified by TA, 11:47 AM 9/8/2001]

Andy1983

I know... I just wanted to **** him off.
I just hate people that talk crap on a forum. I mean it is over the internet and some people take stuff so seriously.
"My car is better than yours is"
"Ford is better than Chevy"
"Borla is better than Flowmaster"
Stupid stuff like that. Who cares. To each his own.

LTxDave

Wow...we need more people like you on the forum. :rolleyes:

I don't see anything Jackyl wrote as "talking crap". I did see some "talking crap" that he was replying to (most everyone else saw it too). If you're going to flame someone for "talking crap", why don't you flame the right person next time?

jackyl

91 was L98 that I was comparing the LT1 times to in MY thread stupid, that made him start this one :rolleyes: The 91 L98 vs. 92 LT1 was the debate.... once again someone that knows nothing about a subject jumps in and looks like Corky... way to go Andy :rolleyes:





[Modified by jackyl, 11:50 AM 9/8/2001]

Kale

Andy1983 likes to argue. He keeps getting banne dfrom VetteIRC chat for it. But it's funny, he'll decide you dont know jack about 'vettes coz you wont tell him when the civil war started and ended
1983 is his birth year.

Thud

1861 until 1865!

ConeKLR

Think this post is done. Too much :cry :cry :cry going on. One is not better than the other. Depends on how the person wants to use the vette. :cry

Raysur

Well said :cheers:.

RED90SIXLT1

Okay....now that the debate is over....Whose buying the keg?

TSLAVette

Guys, BEHAVE! Pull for ALL Vettes!! My LT1 won't beat 13.6 until I swap the 2.59's (not worth it to change heads/intake, ...). Mackey & Panuzzo will tell you all day long, it's the gears. Let's face it, technology evolves ... CDs tend to sound better than cassettes; Intel's Pentium 4 is faster than my P3; the LS6 is better than my LT1. This ain't about LT1 or L98 "envy" - it ain't the size, it how you'z applies!!! :lol:

RocketSled

EGGGZACTLY!

While the LT1/LT4/LS1/LS6/ZR1 may be king of the dragstrip, It's the piddly slow _245_ hp 86 Z-51s that are causing a lot of damage in Solo2. :eek:

With a little additional perspective: My 98 C5 with 15000 miles on the ODO was turning the same times as my 89 120,000 mile l98 with racing slicks at Second Creek Raceway (1:24)

Motor has VERY little to do with road course racing. Brakes, Tires, and suspension can often make up for it.

Mike "I'd rather live my life doing hotlaps, not 14 seconds at a time in a straight line." Miller

A

This thread = :rolleyes:

The STOCK LS6 in my '83 Twinturbo ZR1 convertable will smoke ALL of you and your POS inferior motors, even with the automatic tranny!!

Bat Man

Are you kidding me??? Mustangs from the 80's ran 16's-17's out of the factory, camaros ran 16's. I don't recall a mid to late 80's Corvette that ran 16's(even the crossfires run 15's)...
Hell the new Mustangs can't compete with a L98 Vette. So wtf are you talking about????

Andy1983

He meant early to mid I think.

LTxDave

Mid to late 80s Mustang 5.0 5 speed cars ran mid-high 14's with a decent driver. Even the carbed 85 would run high 14's. I don't know where you got your info from. My 88 5.7 TPI IROC ran 15.20's bone stock with crappy 2.77 gears (which, by the way was the same times Popular Hot Rodding magazine got for the same car). For comparison, the 88 Mustang GT tested by PHR in the same article ran 14.6 and the GTA with 3.27 gears ran 14.9. Granted, these are magazine times, so take them for what they are worth. But PHR is one of the most chevy biased generally hot rodding magazines out there (at least back then they were).

Back then, if you bought a Mustang GT, you got a 5.0--there wasn't 4 or 5 different V8 combo's available. Unfortunately for F-body enthusiasts, if you bought a IROC or TA during this time, you could have gotten anywhere from a 305 LG4 to a 5.7 TPI in the later years. Even the 5.0 TPI had two versions depending on which cam you got. And the 5.7 TPI was only available with an automatic. Since switching to the LT1, if you got a Z28 or TA it comes with the high performance engine. What's all this mean? If you were in a 5 speed 5.0 Mustang during this time and lined up against an F-body it was quite likely it wouldn't even be close simply because the majority of TA's and IROCs/Z28s were not equipped with the best engine. Even with the best engine for both cars it is close enough to be a driver issue.

A

This is true... Sadly enough, most IROC's were the automatic 305 with the peanut cam (like mine :bb is)...

dgoodhue

That is pretty much what I saw when my friends were street/strip racing Mustangs. Some of the stripped down LX 5.0 could run low 14's. If it was auto forget it they ran atleast a 1/2 sec to a sec slower. Anyways, on average the L98 Vette had a small advantage on the late 80's 5.0.

Raysur

How about convertable instead of convertible. I have convertable written all over my dealer documents. How hard it this word to spell:D.

Oh, and about this post. Of course the LT1 is better because of progress. I admit the LT4, LT5, LS1, and LS6 are better motor than mine but i'm happy. I've driven a '91 auto (2.59) and it is no comparsion with my car(2.59) when it was stock. C4 Corvettes got better through the years, be happy with what you have but don't rag on someone elses year.

big wave

I'm thinking of putting this engine in my 85 vette-- A Chevy 383/425hp stroker motor, with GM VORTEC heads. 425hp and 420 ft.lbs. torque.
This IS A Chevy 383 stroker motor, with GM iron VORTEC heads. The block is a 350 with 1-piece seal, that recieves this machining: Bored and honed- Grind for rod clearance with stroker crank. The VORTEC iron heads, feature 175cc intake ports - heart shaped 64cc chambers

Z06X

This sure is a goofy thread. People with L98's upset because they feel they're being insulted!??

GM didn't do their job if they didn't make the LT1 better than the L98. Everyone who bought an L98 car accepted that it wouldn't perform as well as a newer LT1 car. It's all in what you buy and what you start with.

Any car/engine can be built to be fast, but stock to stock an LT1 car is better...period. Yes, they have Opti issues, but L98's have intake gasket issues, so what's the difference.

I was at Beaverun in my car and ran with a guy in a 91 6spd for a few laps and there wasn't a comparison. Down both straights I'd leave his car FAR behind. Everywhere else was fairly competitive but the L98 car just didn't have the rpm range in stock form. When we switched positions I was glued to his car, easily shifting short and staying with him.

I've often said, drag numbers don't tell the whole story about a car, road courses do. I don't think anyone should be offended, it is what it is. If you feel upset, just go build up your L98 and exempt yourself from the conversation of stock vs stock.