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Old 05-07-2005, 06:45 PM
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I recently changed my plug wires and broke most of the wire seperaters or what every there called is there a problem with using zip ties or could this cause problems?
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The wire seperators broke because they got brittle from heat & age, zip ties will not last 1/4 as long as wire seperators.
The best wire seperators I have found are the blue Moroso brand, I've had them for going on 15 years now and they show no signs of weakening.
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Plus you need to keep the wires separated to avoid arc burns in the insulation.
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Zip ties will work fine, you will need to change your plug wires before the zip ties die from the heat anyway.
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I've checked all the auto parts shops and nobody carries wire seperators that will mount in the place as the stock ones. I found them at ecklers but there 4.99 each
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Originally Posted by LPDesRoche
Zip ties will work fine, you will need to change your plug wires before the zip ties die from the heat anyway.
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Ive used zip ties on the pass. side for about 2 years now with no problem.
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Originally Posted by daddydahlin
I've checked all the auto parts shops and nobody carries wire seperators that will mount in the place as the stock ones. I found them at ecklers but there 4.99 each
Call one of the discount Chevy dealers.
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There are quality differences in zips like anything else. You can get some that will take much more temperature than others. I use them in a couple of places with my headers. I also use some Moroso separaters.
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Get the Moroso Separaters. It's all about the look.
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Originally Posted by mothersworry
Get the Moroso Separaters. It's all about the look.
-- Use zipties short term. Get some good seperaters and keep that motor looking good.
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Originally Posted by daddydahlin
I recently changed my plug wires and broke most of the wire seperaters or what every there called is there a problem with using zip ties or could this cause problems?
We have had ZIP ties on our oval track race car for a few years now, extreme heat, no problems at all.

Here's a tip....don't just zip them all together in a bunch. Put one zip tie around all the wires, then use three more (for 4 wires) around the first one (perpendicular to it) between each wire pair. Gradually tighten them up and you'll end up with a nice flat tight wire holder. I can send you a picture if you aren't sure what I mean.

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Originally Posted by Atok
We have had ZIP ties on our oval track race car for a few years now, extreme heat, no problems at all.

Here's a tip....don't just zip them all together in a bunch. Put one zip tie around all the wires, then use three more (for 4 wires) around the first one (perpendicular to it) between each wire pair. Gradually tighten them up and you'll end up with a nice flat tight wire holder. I can send you a picture if you aren't sure what I mean.

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I agree, I use zip ties on the airplane extensively and as was mentioned, the quality varies, so use good ones and always use separators as described above. Sometimes a small piece of hose can be used as a separator also. In addition, if the zip tie goes around a piece of steel tubing or something like a brake line, put some electrical tape around the tubing, the zip tie with a little sand under it and a little movement can saw its way through.
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Thanks for the responses. The zip ties I used should be fine, I've used them before in other places in the engine compartment and haven't had any problems
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IMHO If zip ties are used, do not pull them tight. Too tight will compromise the insulation and may cause for a short to ground. Snug enough to hold the wire in place is fine.

BTW, factory replacement clips are available from Corvette Central at reasonable prices.

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You may want to check out theses guys for wire looms - Made For You Products.

http://www.madeforyouproducts.com/
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Originally Posted by daddydahlin
I've checked all the auto parts shops and nobody carries wire seperators that will mount in the place as the stock ones. I found them at ecklers but there 4.99 each

should not be a problem.....try Summit, Jegs,.....you might need to mod a little......


http://www.taylorvertex.com/hp/Clamp...eparators.aspx

I bought some separators, removed the factory separators from the mounting bracket, and then mounted the new separators to the factory mounting brackets....modded them slightly & used a machine screw to attach separators to the factory brackets...

ty wraps can work, but do not cinch them real tight or you will damage wire insulation

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Originally Posted by vader86
Ive used zip ties on the pass. side for about 2 years now with no problem.
I had a bad arc on the pass. side and also using zip ties. So far, so good.
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Originally Posted by daddydahlin
I've checked all the auto parts shops and nobody carries wire seperators that will mount in the place as the stock ones. I found them at ecklers but there 4.99 each
I found something that looks very similar and works just as well, replacing just the plastic stock wire seperators. In the HELP misc parts section Western Auto/Advance Auto had these. One package had 3 useable parts, which cost $3.98, and it looks stock too boot, even the gray color.

Good luck.

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