C4 Tech/Performance L98 Corvette and LT1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine

Air Pump Eliminator, Who uses it?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-20-2005, 10:52 PM
  #1  
96zride
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
96zride's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2004
Location: Bremerton Wa
Posts: 816
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
St. Jude Donor '04 &'05
Default Air Pump Eliminator, Who uses it?

Just wanted to know the pros and cons. I have long tube headers with all the emissions tubing.

Last edited by 96zride; 02-20-2005 at 11:11 PM.
Old 02-20-2005, 11:16 PM
  #2  
6spd
Burning Brakes
 
6spd's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2003
Location: smithtown ny
Posts: 949
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

i do think you need that smog crap to pass inspection??
Old 02-20-2005, 11:31 PM
  #3  
korvette4u
Drifting
 
korvette4u's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2003
Location: CALGARY ab
Posts: 1,594
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

replaced air pump with bracket sometime ago..just installed new on 89

korvette4u air pump elimination


cleaned up compartment rather well...



Air pump and all of its related components can be removed.( precat and cat also) the egr system could also be removed...no codes will show unless 190*F Tstat is used, but can be fixed with doide.

this will certainly fee up some hp...how much?....opions vary from 10- 25 hp, i dont know if a dyno has been done to prove this..

i believe there's one in the for sale section:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1018836

Last edited by korvette4u; 02-21-2005 at 11:37 AM.
Old 02-20-2005, 11:44 PM
  #4  
REDC4CORVETTE
Safety Car
 
REDC4CORVETTE's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2004
Location: Lahaina Hi
Posts: 4,532
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts

Default

I run one on my L98.I am still looking for an AC replacement pulley if you here of one let me know.
Old 02-21-2005, 12:05 AM
  #5  
vader86
Team Owner
 
vader86's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2001
Location: Athens AL
Posts: 59,673
Received 1,404 Likes on 1,019 Posts
C7 of the Year - Unmodified Finalist 2021
C4 of Year Finalist (performance mods) 2019

Default

Shouldnt free up any HP, just a cosmetic mod basically.

Last edited by vader86; 02-21-2005 at 12:10 AM.
Old 02-21-2005, 12:15 AM
  #6  
korvette4u
Drifting
 
korvette4u's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2003
Location: CALGARY ab
Posts: 1,594
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by vader86
Shouldnt free up any HP, just a cosmetic mod basically.
ok .. that would be your opion....
Old 02-21-2005, 01:03 AM
  #7  
vader86
Team Owner
 
vader86's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2001
Location: Athens AL
Posts: 59,673
Received 1,404 Likes on 1,019 Posts
C7 of the Year - Unmodified Finalist 2021
C4 of Year Finalist (performance mods) 2019

Default

No that would be pretty much proven, it doesnt give you back any power, the pulley on the AIR spins pretty freely. It does remove about 10lbs. from the front end though. No dyno test has shown any substantial gain, nothing more than a couple HP, which is a variance you would expect on 2 tests on an untouched car.

Last edited by vader86; 02-21-2005 at 01:08 AM.
Old 02-21-2005, 01:18 AM
  #8  
randy814u
Melting Slicks
 
randy814u's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2001
Location: Salem Oregon
Posts: 2,320
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by REDC4CORVETTE
I run one on my L98.I am still looking for an AC replacement pulley if you here of one let me know.

this is a direct bolt in, and a gm part.

http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/results...umber=10055890

Randy

I see yours is newer then mine. I have a 85, so make sure they use the same ac bracket before you buy it.
Old 02-21-2005, 06:43 AM
  #9  
85vet
Melting Slicks
 
85vet's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2000
Location: Heidelberg PA
Posts: 3,426
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Cruise-In V Veteran

Default

Randy,
Did the bracket work on an 85?
Looks interesting.

If it works - thanks for the link.
Old 02-21-2005, 08:19 AM
  #10  
Pete K
Race Director
 
Pete K's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2004
Posts: 12,515
Likes: 0
Received 15 Likes on 15 Posts
Default

I bought it and swapped it out at the track. Gave my car nothing in the 1/4 mile. The hooker headers prevented me from using the rear alternator brace. This caused my alternator case to snap in half 3 hrs from home. If you use it make sure the rear of the alt is supported well.
Old 02-21-2005, 08:23 AM
  #11  
oldace84
Race Director
 
oldace84's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2002
Location: tucson AZ
Posts: 13,356
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
St. Jude Donor '04 & '05

Default

Can't because of local smog laws.
Old 02-21-2005, 09:22 AM
  #12  
vader86
Team Owner
 
vader86's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2001
Location: Athens AL
Posts: 59,673
Received 1,404 Likes on 1,019 Posts
C7 of the Year - Unmodified Finalist 2021
C4 of Year Finalist (performance mods) 2019

Default

Originally Posted by Pete K
This caused my alternator case to snap in half 3 hrs from home. If you use it make sure the rear of the alt is supported well.
This is the best argument against it, the brace on top of the AIR bolts to the alternator, and its stronger than the eliminator's brace.

The alternator has a support that bolts to the engine at the exhaust manifold and most people with headers get rid of it, but you really need that support or your alternator will crack, the AIRs brace holds it steady from above well enough so that this doesnt happen. But when you do the eliminator without modifying the rear support, the alternator is just hanging there and will crack.
Old 02-21-2005, 09:32 AM
  #13  
AGENT 86
Race Director
 
AGENT 86's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2003
Location: Summerland B.C. Canada
Posts: 19,667
Likes: 0
Received 36 Likes on 32 Posts

Default


My pump was dying last year so i removed it and built an eliminator. I am still using the rear alt support with this setup. It has worked perfect since install and sure cleans up the engine bay and makes removing the valve cover a snap.

Last edited by AGENT 86; 02-21-2005 at 03:19 PM.
Old 02-21-2005, 10:08 AM
  #14  
VR'92
Team Owner
 
VR'92's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2003
Location: I'm the walkin dude I can see all of the world...
Posts: 25,295
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
St. Jude Donor '03

Default

Originally Posted by 96zride
Just wanted to know the pros and cons. I have long tube headers with all the emissions tubing.
Your name says 96.....So you don't have a belt driven AIR pump BTW....You have an eletric pump and OBD2 which is a whole nuther can o worms....
Old 02-21-2005, 11:20 AM
  #15  
Pete K
Race Director
 
Pete K's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2004
Posts: 12,515
Likes: 0
Received 15 Likes on 15 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by AGENT 86

My pump was dying last year so i removed it and built an eliminator. I am still using the rear alt support with this setup. It was worked perfect since install and sure cleans up the engine bay and makes removing the valve cover a snap.
Now this looks like the way to fly. Veeeery nice!
Old 02-21-2005, 12:00 PM
  #16  
randy814u
Melting Slicks
 
randy814u's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2001
Location: Salem Oregon
Posts: 2,320
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by 85vet
Randy,
Did the bracket work on an 85?
Looks interesting.

If it works - thanks for the link.
I just unbolted the ac pump, and popped that part in its place. Fit perfect on the 85, still using the same belt I had before.

Randy
Old 02-21-2005, 12:22 PM
  #17  
mikey whipreck
Melting Slicks
 
mikey whipreck's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2004
Posts: 3,032
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

In my '85, I didn't like the look of the eliminator pulley... So I took the air pump apart, hollowed it out, polished it a little a put it back on.

I have no data to back up my beliefs, but I really do think that had to free up some power. The pump I took off definitely was not a 'free spinning pulley.' But what I put back on was. Maybe it was just the fresh bearing grease I added.

Get notified of new replies

To Air Pump Eliminator, Who uses it?

Old 02-21-2005, 01:24 PM
  #18  
4bblC4
Racer
 
4bblC4's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2005
Posts: 387
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

I rebuilt my l98, stroked it it a 383, put ported vortec heads on, a 780 holley, and LEFT the pump on! I have NO emmissions laws, either. What I used it for was as a pump on my crankcase. Ever see those vacuum pumps advertised in jegs for hundreds of dollars, that need rebuilt every few passes? I set the pump up just as one of those, as a crankcase evecuation pump. It works GREAT!

So you might consider actually re-plumbing it instead of spending the money to make/buy a bracket. It does make a difference.
Old 02-21-2005, 01:46 PM
  #19  
vader86
Team Owner
 
vader86's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2001
Location: Athens AL
Posts: 59,673
Received 1,404 Likes on 1,019 Posts
C7 of the Year - Unmodified Finalist 2021
C4 of Year Finalist (performance mods) 2019

Default

Originally Posted by VictorRussell'92
Your name says 96.....So you don't have a belt driven AIR pump BTW....You have an eletric pump and OBD2 which is a whole nuther can o worms....
He has a 91.
Old 02-21-2005, 01:48 PM
  #20  
LD85
Race Director
 
LD85's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 1999
Location: Indianapolis IN
Posts: 12,771
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts

Default

I bought one to clean up the engine area mostly.

Any HP gain has to be minimal maybe 1HP!?!


Quick Reply: Air Pump Eliminator, Who uses it?



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:17 PM.