Is this a good deal? 1985 Corvette
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While a very clean looking car, I agree that the asking is too high.
For example, 2yrs ago I picked up my very clean '89 vert 6-speed with 54k miles for $9k.
I had watched the car for ~6mo on CarGurus as the asking dropped from the initial $12k asking.
Anyway, have fun with your search/purchase.
For example, 2yrs ago I picked up my very clean '89 vert 6-speed with 54k miles for $9k.
I had watched the car for ~6mo on CarGurus as the asking dropped from the initial $12k asking.
Anyway, have fun with your search/purchase.
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While a very clean looking car, I agree that the asking is too high.
For example, 2yrs ago I picked up my very clean '89 vert 6-speed with 54k miles for $9k.
I had watched the car for ~6mo on CarGurus as the asking dropped from the initial $12k asking.
Anyway, have fun with your search/purchase.
For example, 2yrs ago I picked up my very clean '89 vert 6-speed with 54k miles for $9k.
I had watched the car for ~6mo on CarGurus as the asking dropped from the initial $12k asking.
Anyway, have fun with your search/purchase.
Y'all gotta get that our currency is devalued daily. Prices for stuff are going up, both from the values going up but also because your money isn't worth as much as it was a month ago, let alone 2 years ago.
5 years ago I could have bought a low mile 996 turbo manual for 30 to 35k. Now it'd be 70k. Saying it was that much cheaper then isn't a bargaining point, it's a reason I won't buy one because I missed the boat and those cars aren't that good.
Ask yourself, for 9 grand, what are you going to buy that's a better car than a c4? A ragged *** c5 maybe? Sure but you're putting another 5 grand into it to get it decent.
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The dealer replied with the following
“The driver side tires are 2008 and the passenger side tires are 2011. The electronics are good including the power mirrors. The blower works but the heat and A/C do not work though.”
Are HVAC issues easily resolved?
“The driver side tires are 2008 and the passenger side tires are 2011. The electronics are good including the power mirrors. The blower works but the heat and A/C do not work though.”
Are HVAC issues easily resolved?
#25
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That looks like a clean car for $9K. That said, no one should buy a C4 that doesn't want to work on it. You'll go broke paying others to do so.
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But I would guess it's a blend door.
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G&R's stuff is always fun to look through, but tends to be at least a few thousand higher than what you can find elsewhere. They do a good job of shining everything up, but it's hard to get a good idea of how well taken care of the mechanicals are.
For what they are asking and for not having working heat/ac, I'd pass. That's probably at least a grand to fix right off the bat.
For what they are asking and for not having working heat/ac, I'd pass. That's probably at least a grand to fix right off the bat.
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If the car were perfect, I could possibly see the asking price, but this is a game changer. You'll have no idea why heat/AC don't work, and fixing that could be a huge investment.
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I think it comes down to what’s right about this Vette now versus what you know you need to fix / repair / replace.
By way of comparison, I don’t have the skills to tear into all that much so I have to pay a local trusted shop to do the work for me. I picked up my 1985 two tone L98 manual for $1k from a friend and have about $7k into it since. It still needs a lot of work. I think I could easily put another $6k to get it where I want it and that may not include paint. No mods - just stock.
So, If you can get this Vette for $9k ish and you only have to put a couple of grand into it to get it the way you want.....maybe that’s a decent deal? Your choice to make for sure.
By way of comparison, I don’t have the skills to tear into all that much so I have to pay a local trusted shop to do the work for me. I picked up my 1985 two tone L98 manual for $1k from a friend and have about $7k into it since. It still needs a lot of work. I think I could easily put another $6k to get it where I want it and that may not include paint. No mods - just stock.
So, If you can get this Vette for $9k ish and you only have to put a couple of grand into it to get it the way you want.....maybe that’s a decent deal? Your choice to make for sure.
#32
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With the dates that are on the tires they will need to be replaced. They may look good but they are 10-13 years old. When I purchased my car the tires were of similar age. I replaced them and the ride was much better. Also when I took the old tires off of the rims the dry rotting sidewall cracks revealed themselves.
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I don't really trust Bat prices. They have historically not paid crap for American cars. Theyre basically all jalopnik types that wnt weird European manual diesel wagons. They hate basically everything American (*cough* not just cars) and are the most toxic nitpick ever.
I have spoken about our experience selling the 993 my father and I rebuilt and what a nightmare it was. They wanted him to underpriced the reserve by 10 grand so it would sell. The wannabe experts nit picked everything. There was a weird shadow THEIR photographer got in one of the pictures that several posted kept telling everyone was a dent. They wanted to know about obscure things and then would blast thr car as "unprofessional documentation and unresponsive seller". It was terrible, it was more stressful than when we swapped a 996 engine on recalled harbor freight jackstands.
It's a data point, sure, but their audience sucks and also tend to be more eurocentric.
I have spoken about our experience selling the 993 my father and I rebuilt and what a nightmare it was. They wanted him to underpriced the reserve by 10 grand so it would sell. The wannabe experts nit picked everything. There was a weird shadow THEIR photographer got in one of the pictures that several posted kept telling everyone was a dent. They wanted to know about obscure things and then would blast thr car as "unprofessional documentation and unresponsive seller". It was terrible, it was more stressful than when we swapped a 996 engine on recalled harbor freight jackstands.
It's a data point, sure, but their audience sucks and also tend to be more eurocentric.
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BaT pricing aside, there's also several cars in the for sale section of this forum that look to be nicer for about the same price.
I suppose a lot of it depends on whether the OP is dead set on a car just like this one or if they are open to something different.
Looks like there is a very clean 84 for sale near the OP for only $7500. Different color though and CFI.
I suppose a lot of it depends on whether the OP is dead set on a car just like this one or if they are open to something different.
Looks like there is a very clean 84 for sale near the OP for only $7500. Different color though and CFI.
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I'll have to look for the 993, it was like... 4 years ago? The car was sweet, 26k miles, aero kit, 6 speed, sound pack, white with a gray interior. My dad literally went over the whole car with a toothbrush cleaning it. It was his baby. Great car, he bought it from a guy who had it stored under a ripped car cover under a tree, didn't run, paint was in crap shape. Right before I moved to NC after college we restored it, got it running, got the paint looking good, all that. Good father-son bonding.
Unfortunately, he hated driving it, because it was so clean and so low mile. He was terrified someone would bump it, felt like the odometer was a running depreciation clock, and basically ended up only wanting it to sit under a cover and stay safe. I told him that was all I wanted as an inheritance one day, lol, but I also get why he sold it. It wasn't a fun car to own, it was more fun to fix. If it had been an 80k mile car that was only driver quality, it may have been better to actually own. At the time, you could pick those up in in the 20s. Now even a crappy 993 stick is like, 50k plus, lol.
He has a 996 stick shift now, that ironically we fixed up right before I moved back to FL, haha. It had like, 120k miles and had crackled a head, but was super clean inside and out, he bought it for 3 grand. We swapped in a low mile motor, and it's a great driver now. Still needs some things, like the shifter bushings that I'm convinced aren't even there anymore, but it's a car that you can drive guilt free because it won't ever be worth anything, it's a fried egg headlight 3.4L 996, aka the worst 911 ever. The really crazy part is even that car is like, nearly 30 grand now. Porsche prices are nuts, they're just not good enough cars to justify that money for them, lol. His 996 does nothing better than me c4, but costs 2 to 3x what a super clean lt1 or lt4 car would.
I say all this and I still keep an eye out for an 04 40 jahre or 997s stick that is priced reasonably and in an attractive color scheme, lol.
Unfortunately, he hated driving it, because it was so clean and so low mile. He was terrified someone would bump it, felt like the odometer was a running depreciation clock, and basically ended up only wanting it to sit under a cover and stay safe. I told him that was all I wanted as an inheritance one day, lol, but I also get why he sold it. It wasn't a fun car to own, it was more fun to fix. If it had been an 80k mile car that was only driver quality, it may have been better to actually own. At the time, you could pick those up in in the 20s. Now even a crappy 993 stick is like, 50k plus, lol.
He has a 996 stick shift now, that ironically we fixed up right before I moved back to FL, haha. It had like, 120k miles and had crackled a head, but was super clean inside and out, he bought it for 3 grand. We swapped in a low mile motor, and it's a great driver now. Still needs some things, like the shifter bushings that I'm convinced aren't even there anymore, but it's a car that you can drive guilt free because it won't ever be worth anything, it's a fried egg headlight 3.4L 996, aka the worst 911 ever. The really crazy part is even that car is like, nearly 30 grand now. Porsche prices are nuts, they're just not good enough cars to justify that money for them, lol. His 996 does nothing better than me c4, but costs 2 to 3x what a super clean lt1 or lt4 car would.
I say all this and I still keep an eye out for an 04 40 jahre or 997s stick that is priced reasonably and in an attractive color scheme, lol.
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I'm not defending BaT. Any car that is accepted by Bat is exposed to a large audience, and can be purchased with minimal buyers and sellers fees, and the 2-minute "no-sniping" deal ensures that the seller will receive the highest bid in the room. Yes, BaT has to agree with the Reserve sought by the seller, and BaT has to agree to list the car in the first place. It's their business, they can run it the way they see fit. From time to time I see shenanigans going on re prices (the $300,000 green 1970 240Z comes to mind), and I'm sure there is shill bidding going on, but again, it's a wide exposure for the $99 seller fee.
Would you please PM me the link to your father's 993 auction? I'm a 993 guy, I'd like to take a look. The gallery on BaT can be tough, but if you follow along for long enough you can discern who knows what they are talking about and who is spouting smack. (Much like the CF C4 room). You can learn a lot about cars of interest to you. I learned what a DME and IMS bearing are, and how they affect Porsche prices, particularly 996 and Boxster/Caymann.
I agree that there are a lot of 'bad cars' on BaT (everywhere, actually) and American Muscle doesn't fare too well on BaT, but C4 Corvette seems to do better price-wise than what I see the gallery here opine as to prices. The big thing with cars on the forums, CL, Hemmings, etc, is that the actual SALE price is never disclosed. Rarely is it possible to know what it actually sold for. With a BaT auction, you do. Prudent buyers conduct 'price discovery' so they have an idea of what they should or will have to pay.
Which is what this OP is doing. That's why I outlined for him how to do it using BaT.
Would you please PM me the link to your father's 993 auction? I'm a 993 guy, I'd like to take a look. The gallery on BaT can be tough, but if you follow along for long enough you can discern who knows what they are talking about and who is spouting smack. (Much like the CF C4 room). You can learn a lot about cars of interest to you. I learned what a DME and IMS bearing are, and how they affect Porsche prices, particularly 996 and Boxster/Caymann.
I agree that there are a lot of 'bad cars' on BaT (everywhere, actually) and American Muscle doesn't fare too well on BaT, but C4 Corvette seems to do better price-wise than what I see the gallery here opine as to prices. The big thing with cars on the forums, CL, Hemmings, etc, is that the actual SALE price is never disclosed. Rarely is it possible to know what it actually sold for. With a BaT auction, you do. Prudent buyers conduct 'price discovery' so they have an idea of what they should or will have to pay.
Which is what this OP is doing. That's why I outlined for him how to do it using BaT.
Look at this insanity. These are nice cars, but that's well over double what that car is actually work. But I'm sure some mouth breather with more money than sense will pay close to it because "Porsche are great investments".
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A car is only worth what it's worth to a buyer. The only saving grace to your average seller is the old gag about a fool and his money being so profoundly true.
I paid 3500 for my '90 and it looks far better than so many I see selling for twice the price.
I paid 3500 for my '90 and it looks far better than so many I see selling for twice the price.