C4 "the real story"
#1
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C4 "the real story"
I just traded a jet boat for a 89 convertible because I thought everyone should own at least one corvette. With only 68K on it the car runs pretty well but needs attention to detail. (previous owner took interior apart and did not replace screws etc.) Reading up on the C4, its maintenance and reputation it appears that this generation is the "red headed step child" of Corvette. My question is why? They do not seem to hold value nearly as well as previous or latter generation and it appears they are a maintenance nightmare. True or False? While it seems like there are a lot of the C4 out there they (several descriptions of "a dime a dozen") why do they get such a bad rap and is it deserved? I am trying to decide if I am going to keep or sell, trade up or trade down? The little bit of cleanup and repair I have done is not bad, but I don't want to sink a ton of money into it if the C4 is an albatross. Thoughts and comments please.
#2
Safety Car
You need to change your thinking man! C5 z06 owner here, and the c4 is the next Vette I want. They have some definite gremlins but they're overall a solid platform.
#3
Burning Brakes
Your C4 is 26 years old. I can’t think of any other 26 year old car that is not going to require maintenance and if the previous owner (or owners) did not keep it serviced, then it will require some repair. How much you do depends on what you want the car to be. I would assume that since it’s an 89 you got it for a pretty good price though you do not note that information in your post.
Pristine show car = a lot of time and money on any 26 year old car.
Nice clean car = some time and money, just not as much.
Daily Driver = fewer dollars spend and more time driving. Just fix the major items first and then the little issues as you want too.
Pristine show car = a lot of time and money on any 26 year old car.
Nice clean car = some time and money, just not as much.
Daily Driver = fewer dollars spend and more time driving. Just fix the major items first and then the little issues as you want too.
#4
Team Owner
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Reading up on the C4, its maintenance and reputation it appears that this generation is the "red headed step child" of Corvette. My question is why? They do not seem to hold value nearly as well as previous or latter generation. While it seems like there are a lot of the C4 out there they (several descriptions of "a dime a dozen") why do they get such a bad rap and is it deserved?
Well that's completely false. No different than any 20-30 year old car. I've had my 150k mile '92 foor over 5 years now, and out side of normal maintenance (oil changes, shocks/brakes/tires etc), it's needed a distributor and a radiator. Is that a "nightmare"?
#5
Melting Slicks
Keep it in hopes it will go up in value = bad idea. It may one day but wont be anytime soon. Later generations are not hold value either though.
Is it a bad car vs other generations? Nope. Its a very good car. Will out preform anything before it handling wise.
Now looks etc vs other generations? That's in the eye of the beholder or in this case the owner. Only you can answer that one.
Is it a bad car vs other generations? Nope. Its a very good car. Will out preform anything before it handling wise.
Now looks etc vs other generations? That's in the eye of the beholder or in this case the owner. Only you can answer that one.
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Safety Car
Not sure where you got your C4 information, but the
C4 is not the 'step child' of Corvettes. Have owned 2 C3s, 2 C4s, and a C5. My choice, based on affordability, performance, and styling, are the LT1 years (1992-96).
If your only complaint is the interior, you will find most components readily available, and relatively inexpensive (compared to engine and transmission)..... get acquainted with Corvette salvage yards.
The 1989 engine provided 345# torque - quite high at that time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvette_(C4)
For comparison L98 v. LT1:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1989-corvette1.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1992-corvette1.htm
Obviously, the more work you can perform yourself, the cheaper the restoration.
If there are Corvette clubs in your area, you might consider joining one. They usually provide restoration talent, and friendship.
This is my '92.... at 83, my last vette, and it will not have another owner until I'm gone:
C4 is not the 'step child' of Corvettes. Have owned 2 C3s, 2 C4s, and a C5. My choice, based on affordability, performance, and styling, are the LT1 years (1992-96).
If your only complaint is the interior, you will find most components readily available, and relatively inexpensive (compared to engine and transmission)..... get acquainted with Corvette salvage yards.
The 1989 engine provided 345# torque - quite high at that time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvette_(C4)
For comparison L98 v. LT1:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1989-corvette1.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1992-corvette1.htm
Obviously, the more work you can perform yourself, the cheaper the restoration.
If there are Corvette clubs in your area, you might consider joining one. They usually provide restoration talent, and friendship.
This is my '92.... at 83, my last vette, and it will not have another owner until I'm gone:
#7
Drifting
Not sure where you got your C4 information, but the
C4 is not the 'step child' of Corvettes. Have owned 2 C3s, 2 C4s, and a C5. My choice, based on affordability, performance, and styling, are the LT1 years (1992-96).
If your only complaint is the interior, you will find most components readily available, and relatively inexpensive (compared to engine and transmission)..... get acquainted with Corvette salvage yards.
The 1989 engine provided 345# torque - quite high at that time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvette_(C4)
For comparison L98 v. LT1:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1989-corvette1.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1992-corvette1.htm
Obviously, the more work you can perform yourself, the cheaper the restoration.
If there are Corvette clubs in your area, you might consider joining one. They usually provide restoration talent, and friendship.
This is my '92.... at 83, my last vette, and it will not have another owner until I'm gone:
C4 is not the 'step child' of Corvettes. Have owned 2 C3s, 2 C4s, and a C5. My choice, based on affordability, performance, and styling, are the LT1 years (1992-96).
If your only complaint is the interior, you will find most components readily available, and relatively inexpensive (compared to engine and transmission)..... get acquainted with Corvette salvage yards.
The 1989 engine provided 345# torque - quite high at that time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvette_(C4)
For comparison L98 v. LT1:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1989-corvette1.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1992-corvette1.htm
Obviously, the more work you can perform yourself, the cheaper the restoration.
If there are Corvette clubs in your area, you might consider joining one. They usually provide restoration talent, and friendship.
This is my '92.... at 83, my last vette, and it will not have another owner until I'm gone:
#8
Drifting
OP -
They are all garbage. It's best you get rid of it as soon as possible. Send me the title and I'll come and get it. My "nightmare" coupe needs a convertible to keep it company since it is always breaking down on me.
They are all garbage. It's best you get rid of it as soon as possible. Send me the title and I'll come and get it. My "nightmare" coupe needs a convertible to keep it company since it is always breaking down on me.
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All Corvette series have had their turn "in the barrel". C5s will have their day too.
The C4 are long in the tooth, as they say. So, unless one is well cared for, then it is likely a candidate for some restoration like any car of that age.
Corvettes have far more performance and capabilities built in than MOST of the "experts" passing judgement have (in terms of driving skills), or are even aware of. So, where does that leave the credibility of the nay-sayers in the scheme of things?
The C4 are long in the tooth, as they say. So, unless one is well cared for, then it is likely a candidate for some restoration like any car of that age.
Corvettes have far more performance and capabilities built in than MOST of the "experts" passing judgement have (in terms of driving skills), or are even aware of. So, where does that leave the credibility of the nay-sayers in the scheme of things?
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No different than the C3 was, 15 or so years ago. The C4 is at the bottom of it's "value cycle". In 10 years, value will be on the rise, and C5's will be viewed the way C4's are now....maybe worse as the C5 and C6 are cheaper cars.
Well that's completely false. No different than any 20-30 year old car. I've had my 150k mile '92 foor over 5 years now, and out side of normal maintenance (oil changes, shocks/brakes/tires etc), it's needed a distributor and a radiator. Is that a "nightmare"?
Well that's completely false. No different than any 20-30 year old car. I've had my 150k mile '92 foor over 5 years now, and out side of normal maintenance (oil changes, shocks/brakes/tires etc), it's needed a distributor and a radiator. Is that a "nightmare"?
#12
Melting Slicks
Ive seen c5's around here as low as $12k and Ive seen convertible c4's go for over $14k so in Alabama yes you can get a c5 for less than a c4 in certain situations.
#13
Safety Car
A beat up automatic c5 couple will obviously be less than a pristine c4 very. You're comparing the worst c5 you've seen to a nice c4. C4's got a bad rep from the beginning. Massively underpowered, not good on gas, difficult to get in and out of, and conservative looks compared to the c3. The c3 was a MUCH worse car, but it was aggressively styled so people liked it. I prefer the way the c4 looks to the c3.
#14
Team Owner
Pro Mechanic
BTW, no drugs here. Not now...not ever.
#15
Team Owner
Pro Mechanic
Fact is, The C4 has always been a leader in all of those categories. FYI, My '92 gets better gas mileage than my C6 did, so....
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Last edited by Tom400CFI; 05-26-2015 at 04:38 PM.
#16
Burning Brakes
I just got an 89 coupe 8 months ago, my first Corvette and my first "car" in over 31 years. I've owned nothing but Ford pickups.
Just last week I had the chance to run some curvy mountain roads with 15 or so other Corvettes, mine being the oldest in the group and the only base model C4. We dashed across the Tail of the Dragon at what I would consider a very fast clip, made it in 19 minutes.
That was the first time I had a chance to actually put the car on that type of road and really push it along. The handling ability of the car just blew me away, as hard as I would crank the wheel over in a curve the harder it would corner with not a hint of wanting to break loose. I kept up with all the Z06s, GSs and ZR-1s, GS in front of me was actually slowing me down.
I am even more in love with the car than before. It made the 1565 trip without a single issue, save for a faulty wiper blade. I love the lines and I love driving it, no need to speed or act crazy, it's fun to just drive around "normal".
Yes, I've put some money into it because like yours, it was neglected for many years and spent a large part holded up in a garage and only taken out on bright, sunny Saturdays. I know I'll never recoup what I've spent on it but if you add in the 'fun" factor it's a break even.
Rick
Just last week I had the chance to run some curvy mountain roads with 15 or so other Corvettes, mine being the oldest in the group and the only base model C4. We dashed across the Tail of the Dragon at what I would consider a very fast clip, made it in 19 minutes.
That was the first time I had a chance to actually put the car on that type of road and really push it along. The handling ability of the car just blew me away, as hard as I would crank the wheel over in a curve the harder it would corner with not a hint of wanting to break loose. I kept up with all the Z06s, GSs and ZR-1s, GS in front of me was actually slowing me down.
I am even more in love with the car than before. It made the 1565 trip without a single issue, save for a faulty wiper blade. I love the lines and I love driving it, no need to speed or act crazy, it's fun to just drive around "normal".
Yes, I've put some money into it because like yours, it was neglected for many years and spent a large part holded up in a garage and only taken out on bright, sunny Saturdays. I know I'll never recoup what I've spent on it but if you add in the 'fun" factor it's a break even.
Rick
#17
Burning Brakes
Every generation has their pluses and minuses...but you did GOOD getting on the C4 train, my friend! Glad to have you with us.
later,
Lee
P.S. Got pics to share? We love us some pics.
later,
Lee
P.S. Got pics to share? We love us some pics.
#18
Safety Car
The c4 had an anemic engine when it first came out. A few short years later fore put a v6 in the taurus that had more power than the original c4. C4's are known for being rattle prone, creaky, cheaply put together cars. All corvettes until the c7 are. The c5 and c6 were definitely improved over the c4 though.
#19
Safety Car
To answer the OP's question though, they're great cars. The bad rep is almost completely wrong, though early models ran out of steam quickly, and they were rattle prone with a few gremlins.
#20
Team Owner
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Say WHAT!? ^^ Which argument are you making here?? Yikes.
No it did not. Did you READ the article I posted for you? Here are a couple quotes for you:
* "It is hands down the fastest American Automobile
*One of the half dozen fastest production automobiles in the entire world!
...just a pair of examples for you. IDK...sounds pretty good...FOR THE TIME.
Right...that could be said about virtually any year, of any car. It's called progress. "A few years after the C6 came out, Volvo has a 4 cylinder that makes as much power". What does that mean? Nothing. It's typical of what we call, progress. Doesn't change what the '84 did IN '84, nor what the C6 did in '05.
Only b/c of the improvements in the stiffness of the frame...not the interior quality, that's for sure.
No it did not. Did you READ the article I posted for you? Here are a couple quotes for you:
* "It is hands down the fastest American Automobile
*One of the half dozen fastest production automobiles in the entire world!
...just a pair of examples for you. IDK...sounds pretty good...FOR THE TIME.
Only b/c of the improvements in the stiffness of the frame...not the interior quality, that's for sure.