Saw a C4, & later an Infiniti GTR
12-08-2008, 08:00 PM
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Saw a C4, & later an Infiniti GTR
So I was driving near work and saw a red C4 (had LT1 tips and taillights). I thought, "Whoa, that is a bad-a$$ mother f-er. Sweet ride!"
Then later I saw a brand new Infiniti GTR with dealer tags (also red). I thought, "Hmmm. Nice appliance--fast, lots of computer assist for driving...if I were 13 years old I might really want one of those." Not exactly a timeless design...
Then later I saw a brand new Infiniti GTR with dealer tags (also red). I thought, "Hmmm. Nice appliance--fast, lots of computer assist for driving...if I were 13 years old I might really want one of those." Not exactly a timeless design...
12-08-2008, 08:33 PM
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So I was driving near work and saw a red C4 (had LT1 tips and taillights). I thought, "Whoa, that is a bad-a$$ mother f-er. Sweet ride!"
Then later I saw a brand new Infiniti GTR with dealer tags (also red). I thought, "Hmmm. Nice appliance--fast, lots of computer assist for driving...if I were 13 years old I might really want one of those." Not exactly a timeless design...
Then later I saw a brand new Infiniti GTR with dealer tags (also red). I thought, "Hmmm. Nice appliance--fast, lots of computer assist for driving...if I were 13 years old I might really want one of those." Not exactly a timeless design...
It looks like a Transformer.Unlike the original 240Z and the circa 1990 300ZX, this car will cause no pulses to race 20 years from now. It might even be viewed as ugly/dated.
Still, if it is all about performance, nothing else in the price range, even the current Z06, can stay with it.
12-08-2008, 09:41 PM
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It looks like a Transformer.Unlike the original 240Z and the circa 1990 300ZX, this car will cause no pulses to race 20 years from now. It might even be viewed as ugly/dated.
Still, if it is all about performance, nothing else in the price range, even the current Z06, can stay with it.
But like you said, the performance is staggering. I don't understand how a 3800-lb car can do what it does...
12-09-2008, 10:17 PM
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I had a rust-bucket '72 half ton with a built 427 big block that would practically give you whiplash...didn't make it any better looking...
12-09-2008, 11:18 PM
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12-09-2008, 11:51 PM
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12-09-2008, 11:56 PM
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Ahhhhh, it is not faster than a Z06 thank you..
Z06 is lighter and more powerful. Grand Turbo Ricer ("AKA" GTR) has AWD and LAUNCH CONTROL. Z06 will catch that heavy azz GTR and beat it's face in past 75mph. It might give the Z06 a race in the curvies...and even there it is dependent on the driver. And good lord IT's UGLY AS SIN>>>>>>>>>>> I bet that even with "launch control" (yawn) , you have to still launch it right to beat a Z06 out of the hole. . . .meaning....rev that ho' to the high moon.
Z06 is lighter and more powerful. Grand Turbo Ricer ("AKA" GTR) has AWD and LAUNCH CONTROL. Z06 will catch that heavy azz GTR and beat it's face in past 75mph. It might give the Z06 a race in the curvies...and even there it is dependent on the driver. And good lord IT's UGLY AS SIN>>>>>>>>>>> I bet that even with "launch control" (yawn) , you have to still launch it right to beat a Z06 out of the hole. . . .meaning....rev that ho' to the high moon.
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12-10-2008, 12:14 AM
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It's a friggin cool car regardless 
I got *really* excited on seeing my first one. The driver looked to be crapping himself and taking it very easy.
I hope they are as reliable as our cars (don't laugh), otherwise they're gonna be a nightmare to own
I got *really* excited on seeing my first one. The driver looked to be crapping himself and taking it very easy.
I hope they are as reliable as our cars (don't laugh), otherwise they're gonna be a nightmare to own
12-10-2008, 01:08 AM
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I have already seen a few around here (Phoenix), but I am not impressed, they are HUGE (external dimensions, and obviously the weight). The original inline-6 skylines (that never sold here until this recent model) kicked @ss.
The older i get the simplier I want my cars... this thing is an electrical/plumbing nightmare! The early 90's showed us that these things can get pretty complicated and once the miles add up, they become DIRT cheap.... only because it will cost the new owner a fortune to maintain-repair etc.
dare I say it, "these things are over engineered"! Almost allows any idiot look like a champion near the limit (since so much of the actual driving is not being controlled by the car).
these things are "insurance" polices for the dealership (hear me out), they make them so heavily computer controlled and complicated that the average car enthusiast is going to "have to" take it to the dealer, even for regular maintanence.
What ever happened to "raw" power, with minimal computer controlled interference?
The older i get the simplier I want my cars... this thing is an electrical/plumbing nightmare! The early 90's showed us that these things can get pretty complicated and once the miles add up, they become DIRT cheap.... only because it will cost the new owner a fortune to maintain-repair etc.
dare I say it, "these things are over engineered"! Almost allows any idiot look like a champion near the limit (since so much of the actual driving is not being controlled by the car).
these things are "insurance" polices for the dealership (hear me out), they make them so heavily computer controlled and complicated that the average car enthusiast is going to "have to" take it to the dealer, even for regular maintanence.
What ever happened to "raw" power, with minimal computer controlled interference?
12-10-2008, 02:51 AM
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I have already seen a few around here (Phoenix), but I am not impressed, they are HUGE (external dimensions, and obviously the weight). The original inline-6 skylines (that never sold here until this recent model) kicked @ss.
The older i get the simplier I want my cars... this thing is an electrical/plumbing nightmare! The early 90's showed us that these things can get pretty complicated and once the miles add up, they become DIRT cheap.... only because it will cost the new owner a fortune to maintain-repair etc.
dare I say it, "these things are over engineered"! Almost allows any idiot look like a champion near the limit (since so much of the actual driving is not being controlled by the car).
these things are "insurance" polices for the dealership (hear me out), they make them so heavily computer controlled and complicated that the average car enthusiast is going to "have to" take it to the dealer, even for regular maintanence.
What ever happened to "raw" power, with minimal computer controlled interference?
The older i get the simplier I want my cars... this thing is an electrical/plumbing nightmare! The early 90's showed us that these things can get pretty complicated and once the miles add up, they become DIRT cheap.... only because it will cost the new owner a fortune to maintain-repair etc.
dare I say it, "these things are over engineered"! Almost allows any idiot look like a champion near the limit (since so much of the actual driving is not being controlled by the car).
these things are "insurance" polices for the dealership (hear me out), they make them so heavily computer controlled and complicated that the average car enthusiast is going to "have to" take it to the dealer, even for regular maintanence.
What ever happened to "raw" power, with minimal computer controlled interference?
x 10000Less is more these days.
12-12-2008, 05:43 PM
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Ahhhhh, it is not faster than a Z06 thank you..
Z06 is lighter and more powerful. Grand Turbo Ricer ("AKA" GTR) has AWD and LAUNCH CONTROL. Z06 will catch that heavy azz GTR and beat it's face in past 75mph. It might give the Z06 a race in the curvies...and even there it is dependent on the driver. And good lord IT's UGLY AS SIN>>>>>>>>>>> I bet that even with "launch control" (yawn) , you have to still launch it right to beat a Z06 out of the hole. . . .meaning....rev that ho' to the high moon.
Z06 is lighter and more powerful. Grand Turbo Ricer ("AKA" GTR) has AWD and LAUNCH CONTROL. Z06 will catch that heavy azz GTR and beat it's face in past 75mph. It might give the Z06 a race in the curvies...and even there it is dependent on the driver. And good lord IT's UGLY AS SIN>>>>>>>>>>> I bet that even with "launch control" (yawn) , you have to still launch it right to beat a Z06 out of the hole. . . .meaning....rev that ho' to the high moon.
If you've ever driven an AWD car (I owned an AWD Eagle Talon Turbo about 10 years ago) you would be amazed at how easy they are to drive hard -- just gives you great confidence. I can only imagine what all that technology does.
Unfortunately it is butt-ugly. Could the GT-R be the first car ever described as a "2-bagger?"
12-12-2008, 10:30 PM
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My first thought when I saw the picture was "it looks like a Japanese mustang" especially from the a pillar back.
BTW I'm not a Mustang basher; I owned a used 95 vert GT. No complaints.
BTW I'm not a Mustang basher; I owned a used 95 vert GT. No complaints.
12-13-2008, 12:10 AM
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How do you like your rice cooked? I read that Road and TRack article and noted that the ZO6 beat the GTR by a full 2 seconds in the 0-120 mph accel. I also noted that the Z06 lapped a 123 mph quarter at 11.7, and the GTR was MUCH slower at 116 mph @ 11.8. The car's heavy weight is apparent.
The track conditions suited the AWD vehicle because it was slippery. I agree that the GTR did beat the Z06, but it didn't kill it.
If you look at a real life situation/////like testing on a certain famous German track....which tests a good combination of a car capabilities, the Corvette beat the GTR by a huge margin (7 seconds). Viper is still on top, but it also is rear wheel drive pure unadulterated American Muscle.
"Back at the Nürburgring, the hot Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 has just ripped four seconds off its claimed 7:26 lap. The new time, with Jan Magnussen at the wheel, is a claimed 7:22.4 for the full 12.93-mile loop. While the number is pretty bloody fast, it is still .3 seconds off the time earned by the Dodge Viper ACR (ouch, those three tenths really have to hurt!). We take these lap times with a grain of salt, as we've yet to see everyone on the 73-turn course under the same conditions, and with officially certified timing equipment. Again, so you don't have to Google the competition's best-claimed Ring times yourself, here they are: Porsche GT2 - 7:32, Nissan GT-R - 7:29, Corvette ZR1 - 7:22.4 and the Dodge Viper ACR - 7:22."
The track conditions suited the AWD vehicle because it was slippery. I agree that the GTR did beat the Z06, but it didn't kill it.
If you look at a real life situation/////like testing on a certain famous German track....which tests a good combination of a car capabilities, the Corvette beat the GTR by a huge margin (7 seconds
). Viper is still on top, but it also is rear wheel drive pure unadulterated American Muscle."Back at the Nürburgring, the hot Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 has just ripped four seconds off its claimed 7:26 lap. The new time, with Jan Magnussen at the wheel, is a claimed 7:22.4 for the full 12.93-mile loop. While the number is pretty bloody fast, it is still .3 seconds off the time earned by the Dodge Viper ACR (ouch, those three tenths really have to hurt!). We take these lap times with a grain of salt, as we've yet to see everyone on the 73-turn course under the same conditions, and with officially certified timing equipment. Again, so you don't have to Google the competition's best-claimed Ring times yourself, here they are: Porsche GT2 - 7:32, Nissan GT-R - 7:29, Corvette ZR1 - 7:22.4 and the Dodge Viper ACR - 7:22."
I gotta disagree with the "dependent on the driver" bit. Apparently, this computerized monster darned near drives itself. In a recent Road & Track comparison on 4 different tracks (including an oval for crying out loud) it killed the Z06 -- no driver dependency there
If you've ever driven an AWD car (I owned an AWD Eagle Talon Turbo about 10 years ago) you would be amazed at how easy they are to drive hard -- just gives you great confidence. I can only imagine what all that technology does.
Unfortunately it is butt-ugly. Could the GT-R be the first car ever described as a "2-bagger?"
If you've ever driven an AWD car (I owned an AWD Eagle Talon Turbo about 10 years ago) you would be amazed at how easy they are to drive hard -- just gives you great confidence. I can only imagine what all that technology does.
Unfortunately it is butt-ugly. Could the GT-R be the first car ever described as a "2-bagger?"
12-13-2008, 12:24 AM
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these things are "insurance" polices for the dealership (hear me out), they make them so heavily computer controlled and complicated that the average car enthusiast is going to "have to" take it to the dealer, even for regular maintanence.
What ever happened to "raw" power, with minimal computer controlled interference?
I agree, while I find the technology to be awesome in any new car, I dread to think what these things would be like to work on years down the road when stuff starts going south. Same thing goes for the C6.
I remember looking under the hood of a 63 split window and could probably count the barely inch thick wire looms with one hand. Try that with a new vette.
My gutted 85 looks so peaceful, it's amlost a shame I have to stuff a snakepit of wires back into it.
12-14-2008, 12:43 AM
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How do you like your rice cooked? I read that Road and TRack article and noted that the ZO6 beat the GTR by a full 2 seconds in the 0-120 mph accel. I also noted that the Z06 lapped a 123 mph quarter at 11.7, and the GTR was MUCH slower at 116 mph @ 11.8. The car's heavy weight is apparent.
The track conditions suited the AWD vehicle because it was slippery. I agree that the GTR did beat the Z06, but it didn't kill it.
If you look at a real life situation/////like testing on a certain famous German track....which tests a good combination of a car capabilities, the Corvette beat the GTR by a huge margin (7 seconds). Viper is still on top, but it also is rear wheel drive pure unadulterated American Muscle.
"Back at the Nürburgring, the hot Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 has just ripped four seconds off its claimed 7:26 lap. The new time, with Jan Magnussen at the wheel, is a claimed 7:22.4 for the full 12.93-mile loop. While the number is pretty bloody fast, it is still .3 seconds off the time earned by the Dodge Viper ACR (ouch, those three tenths really have to hurt!). We take these lap times with a grain of salt, as we've yet to see everyone on the 73-turn course under the same conditions, and with officially certified timing equipment. Again, so you don't have to Google the competition's best-claimed Ring times yourself, here they are: Porsche GT2 - 7:32, Nissan GT-R - 7:29, Corvette ZR1 - 7:22.4 and the Dodge Viper ACR - 7:22."
The track conditions suited the AWD vehicle because it was slippery. I agree that the GTR did beat the Z06, but it didn't kill it.
If you look at a real life situation/////like testing on a certain famous German track....which tests a good combination of a car capabilities, the Corvette beat the GTR by a huge margin (7 seconds
). Viper is still on top, but it also is rear wheel drive pure unadulterated American Muscle."Back at the Nürburgring, the hot Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 has just ripped four seconds off its claimed 7:26 lap. The new time, with Jan Magnussen at the wheel, is a claimed 7:22.4 for the full 12.93-mile loop. While the number is pretty bloody fast, it is still .3 seconds off the time earned by the Dodge Viper ACR (ouch, those three tenths really have to hurt!). We take these lap times with a grain of salt, as we've yet to see everyone on the 73-turn course under the same conditions, and with officially certified timing equipment. Again, so you don't have to Google the competition's best-claimed Ring times yourself, here they are: Porsche GT2 - 7:32, Nissan GT-R - 7:29, Corvette ZR1 - 7:22.4 and the Dodge Viper ACR - 7:22."
