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Old 08-06-2007, 12:04 PM
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i have a coupe 84 crossfire since five years with 86k and run great, not very powerfull but no problem with this,many poeple have problem with crossfire???
pls ur comment pls

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Old 08-06-2007, 12:29 PM
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I don't think everyone hates crossfires, it's just that what is usually posted is owners that are having fuel managment woes. I always thought the setup was pretty cool back in the day. You have to admit that port fuel injection is a leap forward and less to deal with. Anyhow, I don't hate or dislike anything about any of the Corvettes before or after mine like some may, but I wouldn't worry about what other people think anyhow. I get crap from guys with red vettes cause mine is white, they get crap from other guys because thier red C4 isn't a supercharged Z06. It's just a big circle of keepin' up with the Jone's if your into that sort of thing.

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Old 08-06-2007, 12:31 PM
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This could go for days............
Old 08-06-2007, 12:36 PM
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Most of the problems with crossfire were back in the early days when all the carb mechanics didn't understand fuel injection (still a few around). They are woefully underpowered by todays standards (although pretty good for the 74-84 standards, and more powerful ones are not to much more money now. Because they have been cheap for so long, (and they are 24 years old) most of them are pretty rough. Most nice 84 owners are pretty sensative about their cars, but............
Old 08-06-2007, 12:50 PM
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Cause they're all haters. A lot of people dont like C4's in general so screw them, its not their car.
Old 08-06-2007, 01:32 PM
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The crossfire year was the first year for the C4 design. As in any car that is a first year production all the engineering problems show up after a bit of time and need to be corrected or fixed. I remember when the 84 came out. It was something to behold. I was in awe.
Old 08-06-2007, 02:18 PM
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I never had a prob. w/ my 84 cross fire I was told if it works good leave it alone. The probs. I have heard most about are the ones caused by trying to fix something that was broke!
Old 08-06-2007, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 4Ever21
Cause they're all haters. A lot of people dont like C4's in general so screw them, its not their car.

Amen, Brother!
Old 08-06-2007, 02:29 PM
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My 84 runs fine. Just like any older car it needs to be maintained properly. My dad had a 57 T-Bird. An old classic, obsolete by todays standards of technology, yet still a fun car to drive. He and his fellow collectors enjoy them for what they are. Nothing more. Same thing with the 84 model year and the crossfire. Accept it for what it is. The 84 was the first of a generation of corvettes, one that kept improving every year. Enjoy driving a piece of automobile history!
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I dunno, they do get some **** though, kinda funny when the 81-82 Corvette had the same engine. The 84 has handling and braking a 81-82 handles poorly in comparison.
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Originally Posted by JD'S WHITE 93
I dunno, they do get some **** though, kinda funny when the 81-82 Corvette had the same engine. The 84 has handling and braking a 81-82 handles poorly in comparison.
Only 82 had the L83 crossfire. 81 had something else. L82???
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Originally Posted by vettowner1994
The crossfire year was the first year for the C4 design. As in any car that is a first year production all the engineering problems show up after a bit of time and need to be corrected or fixed. I remember when the 84 came out. It was something to behold. I was in awe.
Well the crossfire first showed up in the last C3 - 1982, and was carried forward into the first C4 - 1984.
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Originally Posted by Banned for life
Only 82 had the L83 crossfire. 81 had something else. L82???
1981 had the L-81 - only year used. Used a computer controlled carb and distributor called the CCC - Command and Control Computer - early version of the ECM.
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Originally Posted by JD'S WHITE 93
I dunno, they do get some **** though, kinda funny when the 81-82 Corvette had the same engine. The 84 has handling and braking a 81-82 handles poorly in comparison.
Excuse me? What are you talking about? Been behind the wheel of an 81 or 82 or is that all conjecture?
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Originally Posted by IrishJoker
Excuse me? What are you talking about? Been behind the wheel of an 81 or 82 or is that all conjecture?
Hmm, sounds like somebody is getting defensive....and with good cause!!! I think half the people that badmouth the '84 have never been in one and go by what they hear and probably half the people that badmouth the '82 handling are the same way. sheesh, when the '84 came out all of the sudden the '82 was "junk"....then when the '85 came out the much desired '84 was "junk"....and many of the people saying that stuff don't know a lot about either one. Sure my '84 won't win any trophys at the dragstrip, but it is still nice looking and a Corvette!
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Originally Posted by IrishJoker
Excuse me? What are you talking about? Been behind the wheel of an 81 or 82 or is that all conjecture?
I never have, but everyone I've talked to who has, or anything I've read indicates the pre 84 vettes are straight line cars. The knock against Vettes was always that they weren't "true" sports cars. The 84 fixed that. My coworker owned a 77 and he now has an 84. He tells me that there is no comparison in handling, the 84 would eat the 77 in the twisties.
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Originally Posted by DaleD
I never have, but everyone I've talked to who has, or anything I've read indicates the pre 84 vettes are straight line cars. The knock against Vettes was always that they weren't "true" sports cars. The 84 fixed that. My coworker owned a 77 and he now has an 84. He tells me that there is no comparison in handling, the 84 would eat the 77 in the twisties.
Since I OWN an 81 C3 and a 95 C4 and 02 C5 - I think I can speak from experience - there is nothing wrong with the way an 81 handles, you just gotta know what you are doing behind the wheel and a 4 speed manual is best. It is not a C4 I will give you that - the C4 handles great in manual or automatic but the C5 out-handles the C4. The point here is please remember the generation all these cars were made in - for their day the C3's handled well for the technology at hand. The C4 improved that and the C5 improved over the C4 and the C6 over the C5.

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Old 08-06-2007, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by IrishJoker
Excuse me? What are you talking about? Been behind the wheel of an 81 or 82 or is that all conjecture?
Yes I have, I drove quite a few. I considered buying one but I couldn't get past the ****ty brakes,the gutless 350 or the garbage truck handling. Beautiful cars but performance wise

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Originally Posted by JD'S WHITE 93
Yes I have, I drove quite a few. I considered buying one but I couldn't get past the ****ty brakes, the gutless 350 or the garbage truck handling. Beautiful cars but performance wise
Figures a kid who grew up AFTER the Muscle Car era was over. Talk about some lead sleds with power and little handling. But that was the seat of the pants driving era, hold on to the wheel point it in a straight line and mash the peddle to the metal! Shame - but at least you are not driving a rice wagon - gotta give you that. Again - don't knock the technology for the period. I find the power brakes on the 95 take more pressure to apply then the power brakes on the 81. Power steering in the 80's back then meant exactly that - power steering not power assist - big difference. Power again depends on which C3 you were looking at - post 75 were way under powered for a 5.7 ltr engine I will agree - blame that on GM for not reading the writing on the wall and having the technology ready when the environmental regulations went into effect. Instead they bogged the engine down with the EGR system and air pumps, lowered compression, used a very very mild cam and heads. All of which can be replaced and upgraded today.
Lets not get into my C4 is better then your C3 or C2 etc. Next you will have the C5 andC6 guys chimming in tell us how much better their cars are over the C4. We've had this debate before, nobody wins.
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Originally Posted by IrishJoker
Lets not get into my C4 is better then your C3 or C2 etc. Next you will have the C5 andC6 guys chimming in tell us how much better their cars are over the C4. We've had this debate before, nobody wins.
Don't be so sensitive! I grew up in the muscle car era. I know the difference between go fast in a straight line, and real cornering. My C4 out handles any car I've had the chance to drive. Nope, I haven't driven a C5, C6 or a new BMW, Porche, etc.
Let's be realistic. The C3, especially the early C3 is just a prettier car than the C4. Yeah, some might like a C4 better, but those are the minority. But a C4 handles better. And a C5 is a better car than a C4, so what? And a C6 is better than both... if it weren't, then GM would have big problems.
Owning a C4 isn't purely about having a badass car. It's about having an older car, a slice of history. Guys who own 60s GTOs don't go on about how their cars can handle with modern cars. They can't. But an old GTO fetches some big bucks and is a work of art. Same for older Camaros, etc.
I think it's cool that an older C4 can run with some of the newer cars. But to buy a basic older C4 and expect to run with a C5 is silly. Just as a C3 can't run with a C4. Doesn't mean C3s aren't cool.


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