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Old 01-05-2007, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 89er
Correct that to read in Corvette Heaven in Campbell, it's next to Santa Clara. I can't imagine the C4 turning out crappier than that 1977 model.
I watched in horror as one lost to a stock Yukon at the dragstrip.
Old 01-05-2007, 10:45 PM
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Anyhow, here's my short 30,000mi list of repairs on my million mile car.
I can't wait for the next 900,000 miles.

And all it still needs is a windshield, bumpers, 2nd paint job, weatherstrip, steering rack, another power steering pump, seattracks, headlight motors, intake gasket, antenna and valve seals. I'm outta here...

Code:
53799	OD switch
54202	Glued headlight covers
	Alpine stereo
	swap drivers/passenger seat leather
54330	Replaced all intake gaskets, plenum gaskets
	pass-side valve cover
	Stewart waterpump
	passengerside hatch release switch
54740	Rebuilt shifter linkage, adjusted neutral alignment
55000	rebuilt smog pump
	oil pressure sending unit
55440	replaced headliner
	shifter boot
56100	nose emblem and gas door emblem
	replaced All vaccuum lines
56316	reglued/aligned driver headlight cover
	O2 sensor
	rear sway bar end link bushings
	antenna nut bezel, rebuild and remount antenna
56950	Felpro 1 pc oil pan gasket
	Felpro front and rear main crank seals
	Napa timing chain, iron cam gear
	Luk clutch,pressure plate
	rebuilt clutch slave cylinder
	drivers side outer window seal
	repaired center console cover
58780	Percy's deadsoft aluminum header gaskets
	drivers side valve cover
	iac
	driver side window regulator to scissor style
59500	reglue driverside headlight cover
62887	fuel pump
	front lower shock grommets
	oil pressure sending unit
63149	egr temp switch
64510	refurbed 85 injectors from cruzin perf
71500	clutch master cylinder
	power steering pump
74500	radiator
76700	clutch master
             clutch slave
	4+3 rebuild, synchros, bearings, cluster, 1st, 3rd, shift forks
	clutch set
	antenna ribbon
	Poly bushings rear
	spicer ujoints, halfshafts, driveshaft
	ZF6 swap, clutch set, master/slave, LT1 ministarter
	rear wheel bearings
76700	trans rear seal
77500	moog lower ball joints
	skf rear wheel bearings
	throttle body rebuild with bearings
78100	3.45 Dana gears, differential full rebuild + seals
79000	NDH left front wheel bearing
	Moog RF upper balljoint
80100	Napa clutch set (throwout bearing broke)
82000	A/C compressor, accum, hoses, seals
Old 01-06-2007, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster
Anyhow, here's my short 30,000mi list of repairs on my million mile car.
I can't wait for the next 900,000 miles.

And all it still needs is a windshield, bumpers, 2nd paint job, weatherstrip, steering rack, another power steering pump, seattracks, headlight motors, intake gasket, antenna and valve seals. I'm outta here...

Code:
53799	OD switch
54202	Glued headlight covers
	Alpine stereo
	swap drivers/passenger seat leather
54330	Replaced all intake gaskets, plenum gaskets
	pass-side valve cover
	Stewart waterpump
	passengerside hatch release switch
54740	Rebuilt shifter linkage, adjusted neutral alignment
55000	rebuilt smog pump
	oil pressure sending unit
55440	replaced headliner
	shifter boot
56100	nose emblem and gas door emblem
	replaced All vaccuum lines
56316	reglued/aligned driver headlight cover
	O2 sensor
	rear sway bar end link bushings
	antenna nut bezel, rebuild and remount antenna
56950	Felpro 1 pc oil pan gasket
	Felpro front and rear main crank seals
	Napa timing chain, iron cam gear
	Luk clutch,pressure plate
	rebuilt clutch slave cylinder
	drivers side outer window seal
	repaired center console cover
58780	Percy's deadsoft aluminum header gaskets
	drivers side valve cover
	iac
	driver side window regulator to scissor style
59500	reglue driverside headlight cover
62887	fuel pump
	front lower shock grommets
	oil pressure sending unit
63149	egr temp switch
64510	refurbed 85 injectors from cruzin perf
71500	clutch master cylinder
	power steering pump
74500	radiator
76700	clutch master
             clutch slave
	4+3 rebuild, synchros, bearings, cluster, 1st, 3rd, shift forks
	clutch set
	antenna ribbon
	Poly bushings rear
	spicer ujoints, halfshafts, driveshaft
	ZF6 swap, clutch set, master/slave, LT1 ministarter
	rear wheel bearings
76700	trans rear seal
77500	moog lower ball joints
	skf rear wheel bearings
	throttle body rebuild with bearings
78100	3.45 Dana gears, differential full rebuild + seals
79000	NDH left front wheel bearing
	Moog RF upper balljoint
80100	Napa clutch set (throwout bearing broke)
82000	A/C compressor, accum, hoses, seals
I was going to comment on C4s to avoid but thought that was better for another thread. Certainly the 4+3 is one of them though I'm sure someone will disagree with me. My 1985 is actually my lowest mileage car. It's been sitting on blocks for almost 10 years waiting for a ZF and a block with a one piece rear main seal.

I'm surprised at some of the failures such as the Dana gears.
Old 01-06-2007, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 89er
First you stress it's personal to you that it's not an investment, then you say anybody who's concerned about the value has the car for the wrong reason. Isn't this a contradiction?
I see no contradiction at all.
I'm not worried about the value, because I'm not selling. Where's the contradiction? I've already stated the car will pass down to my kids thru the estate. I only carry liability insurance, if the house (or storage unit) burns down, the car goes with it. I'll buy another cheap C4 if that happens (or a C5 for that matter)

If you're (anybody) worried about it's value, you have the car for the wrong reason (meaning investment). I don't think these things will have any value for another 20 years, and then they have to be trailer queens for the majority of their lives, or a top dollar resto job, which always cost more than what you get in return.
Just watch some of the auction shows, or American Hot Rod- those are investment cars, not your everyday driver C4.
Old 01-06-2007, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by touringmike
I see no contradiction at all.
I'm not worried about the value, because I'm not selling. Where's the contradiction? I've already stated the car will pass down to my kids thru the estate. I only carry liability insurance, if the house (or storage unit) burns down, the car goes with it. I'll buy another cheap C4 if that happens (or a C5 for that matter)

If you're (anybody) worried about it's value, you have the car for the wrong reason (meaning investment). I don't think these things will have any value for another 20 years, and then they have to be trailer queens for the majority of their lives, or a top dollar resto job, which always cost more than what you get in return.
Just watch some of the auction shows, or American Hot Rod- those are investment cars, not your everyday driver C4.
The contradiction I saw was that your personal view was that it was not an investment, then your personal view turned into fact somehow.
Old 01-06-2007, 07:52 PM
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I got my 92 a year ago with 61,000 miles for 9500 in exelent shape and dont care what its worth right now I just enjoy driving it ,and I still get compliments all the time and thats what counts to me....It may not be worth alot but if anything would happen to it ,It can not be replaced because its my first vette,

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Old 01-06-2007, 09:49 PM
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I buy mutual funds for investment purposes. I bought my vette for enjoyment purposes. I don't see myself parting with it for a long time. I'm sure it will be worth something in a couple of decades, maybe even more than I bought it for not counting inflation, but its not why I bought it. Its mine and I enjoy it, it costs money to keep nice but its worth every nickle.
Old 01-11-2007, 01:47 PM
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I'm just amased with the 84 I just got for $5000. It's red and its beautiful.
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Old 01-11-2007, 02:14 PM
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Most cars are a bad investment, BUY, DRIVE, LOVE (most of the time)!!!
Old 01-11-2007, 07:21 PM
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Where the heck do you live? I'll come buy a few.
Old 01-11-2007, 07:38 PM
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I agree that my Vette is an investment, but it's an investment in my sanity. Just driving her makes my day better, and me feel better, every time I turn the key, and mash the go pedal.
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Originally Posted by sebesta1990
Where the heck do you live? I'll come buy a few.
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Old 01-12-2007, 04:47 AM
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I feel like I paid too much for my LT4, but the guy would not take a penny less, no matter how many times I walked. But then I just had to keep coming back. Value is what one is willing to pay.

For me, the C4, especially the 91-96's are my favorite body style. They are just so low and sleek. As I have posted before, my last car was a 98 Camaro. Where I live, every kid at least knows someone who has one. I was always pestered by them and the Mustangs of course. Now, I am the "King of the Road" (until I run across a C6). But the C5's and C6's are everywhere. The C4, especially in good condition, is the rare sight and I love that.
Old 01-12-2007, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob89c4
A watched pot never boils.

Get out there and enjoy them cars and don't worry about the money till ya got to.


I've had my '88 since it was new. Got a C6 and kept the '88. Still enjoying it too much. Got NCRS top flight last year and hope to get 'Survivor' at Bloomington when she turns 20. Looking at prices is interesting, but since I have no plans of ever selling it, I'm not that concerned.
Old 01-14-2007, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MDred85
Hello,

There was a time when early c3s were less coveted than later ones. I also remember when people joked midyears. The car market is fickle and at the moment, where you live could also affect value. C4s are begining to be rare on the street. Nice ones are even more so. If you got your car within the last few years and keep it a few more years owners will likely not lose more than normal depreciation.

In the mean time ,ask your self "would you be in the car if it cost what you now think its worth?"


MDred85
I agree. I rarely see a Vette that isn't a C5 or a C6. In the month that i have had mine, I saw one C3 that was a little rough.
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Originally Posted by champs85
One good thing about owning a "cheap" C4 is that most people you meet think that they are an exotic, expensive car. Man, the fun they're missing out on!
Everyone that sees mine thinks I make a fortune.
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Just bought my 86 with 76,000 miles on it for 4500.00.Glad the prices are low would have never been able to afford it.Always wanted a c4.I am very happy with my buy.Don't plan on parting with it just want to enjoy it.

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Old 01-14-2007, 08:46 PM
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I like to tell this story whenever I see 'value' discussed among the various auto forums I subscribe to such as ALLPAR.COM, NAIOA, etc.

In spring of 1979, I was 16 years old, and had saved $1,000 to buy my fisrt car. I was a MOPAR kind of guy, and looked at what was available. A friend of mine at school father owned the local Subaru dealer (which back in those days was a lot behind a gas station-Subaru was small beans then). They had taken in trade a 1971 Challenger. One owner, light yellow (I think Chrysler called it Lemon Twist), 51,000 miles, 440 V8 auto, and loaded with AC, rare 8 track, vynil top, etc. I test drove the car, and it was perfect! Since I knew the owner of the dealer, and they had not 'processed' the car, he would sell it to me for what they allowed in trade. A whopping $750.

My father had set up my savings account so that it required his signature for withdraws. I rushed home, told him about the car, and said I wanted it and I could pay for it. He said NO, and the car literally rotted on the Subaru lot for almost a year. It was eventually wholesaled out to an auction company for $450.

Today, this car, in average unrestored condition, would bring over $20,000! In restored condition, it could bring over $60,000, or even MORE.Believe me, I remind my father of this fact everytime Barrett Jackson is on SPEED channel.

Right now, the "C4" crowd is starting to mature and become comfortable financially. These people are the kids that were 15 in 1984 and wanted the 'most advanced car in the world'. Just wait another 4, or 5 years and you will see C4 values start to climb. I do not think they will ever meet the muscle car crazy prices we are seeing right now, but I do think there is room for future appreciation.

Consider this, a 1985 Ferrari that sold for $250,00 new goes for approx $50,000 today if in pristine condition-not a good investment car wise. A 1969 Dodge Coronet Super Bee that sold for $4,000 new goes for approx $90,000 today at auction. Why? Because these cars were the most desired by today's richest people when they were young!

If you can get a 1984 Corvette for under $5,000, buy it. I think that same car will bring double in less than 10 years!

Good Thread. I have enjoyed reading the comments.

Bill

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I paid 3k for my 84 with 141k on the clock
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Originally Posted by billccm
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Right now, the "C4" crowd is starting to mature and become comfortable financially. These people are the kids that were 15 in 1984 and wanted the 'most advanced car in the world'. Just wait another 4, or 5 years and you will see C4 values start to climb. I do not think they will ever meet the muscle car crazy prices we are seeing right now, but I do think there is room for future appreciation. ...

Bill
I think they will hit muscle car crazy prices when this crowd hits 50 as their kids are grown up and out of college. I would give it 10 years.


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