C4 values seem to be in the toilet
#82
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Anyhow, here's my short 30,000mi list of repairs on my million mile car.
I can't wait for the next 900,000 miles.
And all it still needs is a windshield, bumpers, 2nd paint job, weatherstrip, steering rack, another power steering pump, seattracks, headlight motors, intake gasket, antenna and valve seals. I'm outta here...
I can't wait for the next 900,000 miles.
And all it still needs is a windshield, bumpers, 2nd paint job, weatherstrip, steering rack, another power steering pump, seattracks, headlight motors, intake gasket, antenna and valve seals. I'm outta here...
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53799 OD switch 54202 Glued headlight covers Alpine stereo swap drivers/passenger seat leather 54330 Replaced all intake gaskets, plenum gaskets pass-side valve cover Stewart waterpump passengerside hatch release switch 54740 Rebuilt shifter linkage, adjusted neutral alignment 55000 rebuilt smog pump oil pressure sending unit 55440 replaced headliner shifter boot 56100 nose emblem and gas door emblem replaced All vaccuum lines 56316 reglued/aligned driver headlight cover O2 sensor rear sway bar end link bushings antenna nut bezel, rebuild and remount antenna 56950 Felpro 1 pc oil pan gasket Felpro front and rear main crank seals Napa timing chain, iron cam gear Luk clutch,pressure plate rebuilt clutch slave cylinder drivers side outer window seal repaired center console cover 58780 Percy's deadsoft aluminum header gaskets drivers side valve cover iac driver side window regulator to scissor style 59500 reglue driverside headlight cover 62887 fuel pump front lower shock grommets oil pressure sending unit 63149 egr temp switch 64510 refurbed 85 injectors from cruzin perf 71500 clutch master cylinder power steering pump 74500 radiator 76700 clutch master clutch slave 4+3 rebuild, synchros, bearings, cluster, 1st, 3rd, shift forks clutch set antenna ribbon Poly bushings rear spicer ujoints, halfshafts, driveshaft ZF6 swap, clutch set, master/slave, LT1 ministarter rear wheel bearings 76700 trans rear seal 77500 moog lower ball joints skf rear wheel bearings throttle body rebuild with bearings 78100 3.45 Dana gears, differential full rebuild + seals 79000 NDH left front wheel bearing Moog RF upper balljoint 80100 Napa clutch set (throwout bearing broke) 82000 A/C compressor, accum, hoses, seals
#83
Anyhow, here's my short 30,000mi list of repairs on my million mile car.
I can't wait for the next 900,000 miles.
And all it still needs is a windshield, bumpers, 2nd paint job, weatherstrip, steering rack, another power steering pump, seattracks, headlight motors, intake gasket, antenna and valve seals. I'm outta here...
I can't wait for the next 900,000 miles.
And all it still needs is a windshield, bumpers, 2nd paint job, weatherstrip, steering rack, another power steering pump, seattracks, headlight motors, intake gasket, antenna and valve seals. I'm outta here...
Code:
53799 OD switch 54202 Glued headlight covers Alpine stereo swap drivers/passenger seat leather 54330 Replaced all intake gaskets, plenum gaskets pass-side valve cover Stewart waterpump passengerside hatch release switch 54740 Rebuilt shifter linkage, adjusted neutral alignment 55000 rebuilt smog pump oil pressure sending unit 55440 replaced headliner shifter boot 56100 nose emblem and gas door emblem replaced All vaccuum lines 56316 reglued/aligned driver headlight cover O2 sensor rear sway bar end link bushings antenna nut bezel, rebuild and remount antenna 56950 Felpro 1 pc oil pan gasket Felpro front and rear main crank seals Napa timing chain, iron cam gear Luk clutch,pressure plate rebuilt clutch slave cylinder drivers side outer window seal repaired center console cover 58780 Percy's deadsoft aluminum header gaskets drivers side valve cover iac driver side window regulator to scissor style 59500 reglue driverside headlight cover 62887 fuel pump front lower shock grommets oil pressure sending unit 63149 egr temp switch 64510 refurbed 85 injectors from cruzin perf 71500 clutch master cylinder power steering pump 74500 radiator 76700 clutch master clutch slave 4+3 rebuild, synchros, bearings, cluster, 1st, 3rd, shift forks clutch set antenna ribbon Poly bushings rear spicer ujoints, halfshafts, driveshaft ZF6 swap, clutch set, master/slave, LT1 ministarter rear wheel bearings 76700 trans rear seal 77500 moog lower ball joints skf rear wheel bearings throttle body rebuild with bearings 78100 3.45 Dana gears, differential full rebuild + seals 79000 NDH left front wheel bearing Moog RF upper balljoint 80100 Napa clutch set (throwout bearing broke) 82000 A/C compressor, accum, hoses, seals
I'm surprised at some of the failures such as the Dana gears.
#84
Team Owner
I'm not worried about the value, because I'm not selling. Where's the contradiction? I've already stated the car will pass down to my kids thru the estate. I only carry liability insurance, if the house (or storage unit) burns down, the car goes with it. I'll buy another cheap C4 if that happens (or a C5 for that matter)
If you're (anybody) worried about it's value, you have the car for the wrong reason (meaning investment). I don't think these things will have any value for another 20 years, and then they have to be trailer queens for the majority of their lives, or a top dollar resto job, which always cost more than what you get in return.
Just watch some of the auction shows, or American Hot Rod- those are investment cars, not your everyday driver C4.
#85
I see no contradiction at all.
I'm not worried about the value, because I'm not selling. Where's the contradiction? I've already stated the car will pass down to my kids thru the estate. I only carry liability insurance, if the house (or storage unit) burns down, the car goes with it. I'll buy another cheap C4 if that happens (or a C5 for that matter)
If you're (anybody) worried about it's value, you have the car for the wrong reason (meaning investment). I don't think these things will have any value for another 20 years, and then they have to be trailer queens for the majority of their lives, or a top dollar resto job, which always cost more than what you get in return.
Just watch some of the auction shows, or American Hot Rod- those are investment cars, not your everyday driver C4.
I'm not worried about the value, because I'm not selling. Where's the contradiction? I've already stated the car will pass down to my kids thru the estate. I only carry liability insurance, if the house (or storage unit) burns down, the car goes with it. I'll buy another cheap C4 if that happens (or a C5 for that matter)
If you're (anybody) worried about it's value, you have the car for the wrong reason (meaning investment). I don't think these things will have any value for another 20 years, and then they have to be trailer queens for the majority of their lives, or a top dollar resto job, which always cost more than what you get in return.
Just watch some of the auction shows, or American Hot Rod- those are investment cars, not your everyday driver C4.
#86
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c-4 value
I got my 92 a year ago with 61,000 miles for 9500 in exelent shape and dont care what its worth right now I just enjoy driving it ,and I still get compliments all the time and thats what counts to me....It may not be worth alot but if anything would happen to it ,It can not be replaced because its my first vette,
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#87
I buy mutual funds for investment purposes. I bought my vette for enjoyment purposes. I don't see myself parting with it for a long time. I'm sure it will be worth something in a couple of decades, maybe even more than I bought it for not counting inflation, but its not why I bought it. Its mine and I enjoy it, it costs money to keep nice but its worth every nickle.
#91
Drifting
I agree that my Vette is an investment, but it's an investment in my sanity. Just driving her makes my day better, and me feel better, every time I turn the key, and mash the go pedal.
#93
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I feel like I paid too much for my LT4, but the guy would not take a penny less, no matter how many times I walked. But then I just had to keep coming back. Value is what one is willing to pay.
For me, the C4, especially the 91-96's are my favorite body style. They are just so low and sleek. As I have posted before, my last car was a 98 Camaro. Where I live, every kid at least knows someone who has one. I was always pestered by them and the Mustangs of course. Now, I am the "King of the Road" (until I run across a C6). But the C5's and C6's are everywhere. The C4, especially in good condition, is the rare sight and I love that.
For me, the C4, especially the 91-96's are my favorite body style. They are just so low and sleek. As I have posted before, my last car was a 98 Camaro. Where I live, every kid at least knows someone who has one. I was always pestered by them and the Mustangs of course. Now, I am the "King of the Road" (until I run across a C6). But the C5's and C6's are everywhere. The C4, especially in good condition, is the rare sight and I love that.
#94
I've had my '88 since it was new. Got a C6 and kept the '88. Still enjoying it too much. Got NCRS top flight last year and hope to get 'Survivor' at Bloomington when she turns 20. Looking at prices is interesting, but since I have no plans of ever selling it, I'm not that concerned.
#95
Team Owner
Hello,
There was a time when early c3s were less coveted than later ones. I also remember when people joked midyears. The car market is fickle and at the moment, where you live could also affect value. C4s are begining to be rare on the street. Nice ones are even more so. If you got your car within the last few years and keep it a few more years owners will likely not lose more than normal depreciation.
In the mean time ,ask your self "would you be in the car if it cost what you now think its worth?"
MDred85
There was a time when early c3s were less coveted than later ones. I also remember when people joked midyears. The car market is fickle and at the moment, where you live could also affect value. C4s are begining to be rare on the street. Nice ones are even more so. If you got your car within the last few years and keep it a few more years owners will likely not lose more than normal depreciation.
In the mean time ,ask your self "would you be in the car if it cost what you now think its worth?"
MDred85
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Just bought my 86 with 76,000 miles on it for 4500.00.Glad the prices are low would have never been able to afford it.Always wanted a c4.I am very happy with my buy.Don't plan on parting with it just want to enjoy it.
#98
I like to tell this story whenever I see 'value' discussed among the various auto forums I subscribe to such as ALLPAR.COM, NAIOA, etc.
In spring of 1979, I was 16 years old, and had saved $1,000 to buy my fisrt car. I was a MOPAR kind of guy, and looked at what was available. A friend of mine at school father owned the local Subaru dealer (which back in those days was a lot behind a gas station-Subaru was small beans then). They had taken in trade a 1971 Challenger. One owner, light yellow (I think Chrysler called it Lemon Twist), 51,000 miles, 440 V8 auto, and loaded with AC, rare 8 track, vynil top, etc. I test drove the car, and it was perfect! Since I knew the owner of the dealer, and they had not 'processed' the car, he would sell it to me for what they allowed in trade. A whopping $750.
My father had set up my savings account so that it required his signature for withdraws. I rushed home, told him about the car, and said I wanted it and I could pay for it. He said NO, and the car literally rotted on the Subaru lot for almost a year. It was eventually wholesaled out to an auction company for $450.
Today, this car, in average unrestored condition, would bring over $20,000! In restored condition, it could bring over $60,000, or even MORE.Believe me, I remind my father of this fact everytime Barrett Jackson is on SPEED channel.
Right now, the "C4" crowd is starting to mature and become comfortable financially. These people are the kids that were 15 in 1984 and wanted the 'most advanced car in the world'. Just wait another 4, or 5 years and you will see C4 values start to climb. I do not think they will ever meet the muscle car crazy prices we are seeing right now, but I do think there is room for future appreciation.
Consider this, a 1985 Ferrari that sold for $250,00 new goes for approx $50,000 today if in pristine condition-not a good investment car wise. A 1969 Dodge Coronet Super Bee that sold for $4,000 new goes for approx $90,000 today at auction. Why? Because these cars were the most desired by today's richest people when they were young!
If you can get a 1984 Corvette for under $5,000, buy it. I think that same car will bring double in less than 10 years!
Good Thread. I have enjoyed reading the comments.
Bill
In spring of 1979, I was 16 years old, and had saved $1,000 to buy my fisrt car. I was a MOPAR kind of guy, and looked at what was available. A friend of mine at school father owned the local Subaru dealer (which back in those days was a lot behind a gas station-Subaru was small beans then). They had taken in trade a 1971 Challenger. One owner, light yellow (I think Chrysler called it Lemon Twist), 51,000 miles, 440 V8 auto, and loaded with AC, rare 8 track, vynil top, etc. I test drove the car, and it was perfect! Since I knew the owner of the dealer, and they had not 'processed' the car, he would sell it to me for what they allowed in trade. A whopping $750.
My father had set up my savings account so that it required his signature for withdraws. I rushed home, told him about the car, and said I wanted it and I could pay for it. He said NO, and the car literally rotted on the Subaru lot for almost a year. It was eventually wholesaled out to an auction company for $450.
Today, this car, in average unrestored condition, would bring over $20,000! In restored condition, it could bring over $60,000, or even MORE.Believe me, I remind my father of this fact everytime Barrett Jackson is on SPEED channel.
Right now, the "C4" crowd is starting to mature and become comfortable financially. These people are the kids that were 15 in 1984 and wanted the 'most advanced car in the world'. Just wait another 4, or 5 years and you will see C4 values start to climb. I do not think they will ever meet the muscle car crazy prices we are seeing right now, but I do think there is room for future appreciation.
Consider this, a 1985 Ferrari that sold for $250,00 new goes for approx $50,000 today if in pristine condition-not a good investment car wise. A 1969 Dodge Coronet Super Bee that sold for $4,000 new goes for approx $90,000 today at auction. Why? Because these cars were the most desired by today's richest people when they were young!
If you can get a 1984 Corvette for under $5,000, buy it. I think that same car will bring double in less than 10 years!
Good Thread. I have enjoyed reading the comments.
Bill
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Right now, the "C4" crowd is starting to mature and become comfortable financially. These people are the kids that were 15 in 1984 and wanted the 'most advanced car in the world'. Just wait another 4, or 5 years and you will see C4 values start to climb. I do not think they will ever meet the muscle car crazy prices we are seeing right now, but I do think there is room for future appreciation. ...
Bill
Right now, the "C4" crowd is starting to mature and become comfortable financially. These people are the kids that were 15 in 1984 and wanted the 'most advanced car in the world'. Just wait another 4, or 5 years and you will see C4 values start to climb. I do not think they will ever meet the muscle car crazy prices we are seeing right now, but I do think there is room for future appreciation. ...
Bill