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Old 10-26-2006, 10:20 PM   #1
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Default Poll: Which would be a more fun C4 daily driver 350HP/450TRQ or 400HP/400TRQ?

I'm building a 383...It looks like the numbers change quite a bit based on the intake.

It would seem that with the stock ported TPI intake and ported 113 heads and a more or less run of the mill 383 you can make
350HP at the crank complimented by 425 to 450 ft/lbs of trq.

But with an LT1 conversion intake on the same 383 you should make 400 to 425 HP and 400 ft/lbs of trq.

These numbers might be slightly higher or lower....but with a C4 vette which is more fun to drive everyday --- with the occasisional (1 to 2 times a year) trip to the track.
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Old 10-26-2006, 10:28 PM   #2
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More torque, period.
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Old 10-26-2006, 10:30 PM   #3
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with a street driven car with a tall gear give me torque any day over horsepower.
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Old 10-26-2006, 10:52 PM   #4
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More torque, period.
Sure-you don't need that HP until you're over 90MPH and that gets you to work too quick!
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Old 10-26-2006, 10:52 PM   #5
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TQ is king, especially on a DD.
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Old 10-26-2006, 11:19 PM   #6
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I was hoping there would be an option for 825WHP, 780WTQ. Oh well, I settled on the 350CHP/450CTQ.
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Old 10-26-2006, 11:20 PM   #7
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TQ is king, especially on a DD.
What is a Z01? I have seen mention several times, but not sure what this option may be.
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Old 10-26-2006, 11:35 PM   #8
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What is a Z01? I have seen mention several times, but not sure what this option may be.
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RPOZ01 is the 1988 35th anniv. option
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Old 10-26-2006, 11:43 PM   #9
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RPOZ01 is the 1988 35th anniv. option
Thanks for clarifying. Good info to know.

My brother had bought one of those new, and the interior parts "yellowed" bad. I think he sold w/in a couple of years.
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Old 10-26-2006, 11:48 PM   #10
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Increased horsepower gives you the option to take advantage of gearing to increase the torque at the axle/wheels as desired to suit available traction. It doesn't work the other way around.

The goal is to maximize HP at any given speed. Excess torque is of no real benefit once the tires are spinning.
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Old 10-27-2006, 12:11 AM   #11
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Horsepower is ultimately the best measure of fun.....

Thing that is missing is how the dyno curves for the two options compare.....

Sounds like the 350hp/450tq falls on its face real fast..

Whereas perhaps the 400hp/400tq has a much flatter torque curve....

So with proper gearing and assuming a reasonably flat torque curve the 400hp is definitely the winner......

Sounds a lot like the old LT1/4 vs L98 debate....I have owned both....LT4 wins hands down....85 more horsepower than my L98

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Increased horsepower gives you the option to take advantage of gearing to increase the torque at the axle/wheels as desired to suit available traction. It doesn't work the other way around.
Exactly. Go for the higher horsepower and simply gear the car to fit. Gives a more flexible car and one that can leave decently hard and walk away up top. We can all tell ourselves that 0-60 is all that matters until someone comes off the on ramp behind you and reels you in like your car had an asthma attack in third and fourth gear. Good gearing and some power up top makes a big difference there.

Another thing to consider like LT4BUD pointed out is how is the torque made? A lot of setups are real torquey in the 2500-3500 range, but fell off pretty steeply. My car pulls hard from about 2500 all the way to 6800 never letting up, just building.

My opinion is that your car with that proposed motor with the LT1 intake and a compatible cam to utilize the extra RPM range on it will walk away from the same motor with a ported TPI intake, especially since you mentioned the stock one. Either way though, I'm sure you will enjoy it.
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Old 10-27-2006, 12:57 AM   #13
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More torque, period.
on the street... torque is your best friend. Actually just to put it into prospective <flame suit on> my Dak R/T with 250hp and 375ftlbs of torque is more fun to drive than my vette. However the vette is just a blast at the track, on the twisties, abandonded highways and air strips... ect.
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Old 10-27-2006, 02:38 PM   #14
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maybe I should have included in the poll --- just for completeness ---

450HP and 350TRQ
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Old 10-27-2006, 02:57 PM   #15
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What is a Z01? I have seen mention several times, but not sure what this option may be.
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on the street... torque is your best friend. Actually just to put it into prospective <flame suit on> my Dak R/T with 250hp and 375ftlbs of torque is more fun to drive than my vette. However the vette is just a blast at the track, on the twisties, abandonded highways and air strips... ect.




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Old 10-27-2006, 05:24 PM   #17
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Old 10-27-2006, 05:30 PM   #18
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If the car is an auto, more torque, if the car is manual, the balance of 400/400 will be overall more fun, plus if you do any open road driving it will come in handy but if you are just going to cruise around town, you will never need the extra HP since most encounters will be light to light in which case the guy with the most torque and launch skills usually wins even from a 5-8 mph rolling start.
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Old 10-27-2006, 05:31 PM   #19
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I'd go with more HP every time. Stock the car has 350 torque and that is good, so I wouldn't want to be dropping under that. The 400/400 is sweet! The 450/350 even better.
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Old 10-27-2006, 06:16 PM   #20
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I like torque, its more fun to play around doing burnouts and such. I can tell you from experience that without horsepower, you will fall flat on your face at higher speeds... like the end of the 1/4 mile.
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