Shocks to match up with composite Rear spring
#1
Cruising
Thread Starter
Member Since: Jun 2015
Location: Winfield Pa
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Shocks to match up with composite Rear spring
I have a 77 with the composite spring and i feel there is WAY to much give or bounce in the rear. The ( what i believe are OEM) shocks bounce as though they are shot. Can someone give me a type of shock to use. Do i need to go to a heavy duty one. I am not planning on hauling with it at all. I'm just looking to smooth ride... not look like I have some serious hydraulic jumping action happening every time i go over a bump.
#3
Cruising
Thread Starter
Member Since: Jun 2015
Location: Winfield Pa
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
#4
Race Director
I had Bilstein HDs when I installed my composite spring in 2001/2002 timeframe. It rode horribly and I switched to Bilstein Sports, which rode much better.
That said, the HDs were about 10 years old and had ~50k miles on them.
That said, the HDs were about 10 years old and had ~50k miles on them.
#6
Team Owner
***** Stein sports in mine, on a 360 VBP rear plastic spring, been there some ten years in this combo....VERY happy.....the previous shocks were out to lunch, don't remember what they were now....
#8
Melting Slicks
#9
Racer
Member Since: Aug 2006
Location: PYOTE BOMBER BASE TEXAS
Posts: 359
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Monroe Air Shocks... In order to get over Speed Bumps , also tow a 15' Baja Speed Boat.
Usually just have around 10 P.S.I. in the air bladders, for Street use, add more air as required to adjust ride.
Usually just have around 10 P.S.I. in the air bladders, for Street use, add more air as required to adjust ride.
#12
Cruising
Thread Starter
Member Since: Jun 2015
Location: Winfield Pa
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My spring is a 330# im wondering now if that might be to light, thus the reason for the "bouncy butt" syndrome. Do you think the Bill HD's would counter act to stop the flop?
#13
Burning Brakes
With a 330# spring, you've chosen something for both ride and handling. VB&P offers a KYB shock (NOT Gas-Adjust!!) that is specially valved for fiberglass springs that might prove to be the combination for your particular application. Investigate.
Last edited by Rotonda; 06-13-2015 at 06:58 AM. Reason: addition
#14
Team Owner
The bouncy feeling you describe is caused by the lack of rebound control in your shocks. The stock multi-leaf metal spring has a lot of friction between the leaves which dampenens any bounce in the spring and the shocks are valved accordingly. Fiberglass springs depend completely on the shocks to dampen the oscillation, and stock shocks won't do the job.
With a 330# spring, you've chosen something for both ride and handling. VB&P offers a KYB shock (NOT Gas-Adjust!!) that is specially valved for fiberglass springs that might prove to be the combination for your particular application. Investigate.
With a 330# spring, you've chosen something for both ride and handling. VB&P offers a KYB shock (NOT Gas-Adjust!!) that is specially valved for fiberglass springs that might prove to be the combination for your particular application. Investigate.
http://www.vbandp.com/auto-parts.htm...category_id=46
#15
Burning Brakes
Member Since: Feb 2014
Location: Cape Neddick Maine
Posts: 1,042
Received 226 Likes
on
148 Posts
2020 C3 of the Year Finalist - Modified
I have the QA1 shocks on mine with the VB&P composite front and rear springs. They work great for my application. If you go with the QA1 shock don't worry about the single or dual adjustable ones. They are not needed for a DD
#16
Race Director
Member Since: Jan 2000
Location: Corsicana, Tx
Posts: 12,626
Received 1,895 Likes
on
923 Posts
2020 C2 of the Year - Modified Winner
2020 Corvette of the Year (performance mods)
C2 of Year Winner (performance mods) 2019
2017 C2 of Year Finalist
I like the QA-1's...in either single or double adjustable.
If you want to make sure you only do this one time....get at least the single adjustable and you can dial in what you like simply by turning the *****.
JIM
If you want to make sure you only do this one time....get at least the single adjustable and you can dial in what you like simply by turning the *****.
JIM
#17
Melting Slicks
Member Since: Feb 2009
Location: Dallas Georgia
Posts: 2,787
Received 594 Likes
on
408 Posts
2020 Corvette of the Year Finalist (track prepared)
C3 of Year Winner (track prepared) 2019
I am pulling my Bilstein HDs (part of my VB&P Performance Plus kit) off this week and replacing with RideTech adjustables. The bilsteins ride fine, if not a bit stiff, but I need more adjustment for track days.
PM me if interested in the Bilsteins, they are still relatively new at about 1-1.5 years old.
PM me if interested in the Bilsteins, they are still relatively new at about 1-1.5 years old.
#18
Le Mans Master
I have the glass rear spring and QA1 double adjustable shocks.
With the shocks set at full stiff on rebound, and a little over midway stiff on compression, the rear still bounces too much. I don't know if it's because my car is lowered, or just the short wheelbase. I hate it.
With the shocks set at full stiff on rebound, and a little over midway stiff on compression, the rear still bounces too much. I don't know if it's because my car is lowered, or just the short wheelbase. I hate it.
#19
Race Director
I have the glass rear spring and QA1 double adjustable shocks.
With the shocks set at full stiff on rebound, and a little over midway stiff on compression, the rear still bounces too much. I don't know if it's because my car is lowered, or just the short wheelbase. I hate it.
With the shocks set at full stiff on rebound, and a little over midway stiff on compression, the rear still bounces too much. I don't know if it's because my car is lowered, or just the short wheelbase. I hate it.
#20
Le Mans Master
Having started with the bone stock 7 leaf steel gymkhana spring and AC Delco shocks and in 1986 switching to a 360 composite spring with various shocks over the years, I have come to a few conclusions about the C3 rear spring issue:
1. The stock 7/9 leaf steel spring has MANY drawbacks versus a composite spring-there is a reason that no one uses steel leaf springs on cars any longer.
2. Replacing the stock steel springs with a composite of comparable load rating is a mistake since the composite versus steel ratings do NOT equate when on the car.
3. A composite spring requires top quality shocks since its rebound is not limited by the the friction afforded by steel leafs-Bilsteins, Konis, QA1's etc. Forget mass market shocks like Monroe, Gabriel, KYB's.
4. I currently have a 1986 VBP 360 composite with Bilstein SPORTS and the rebound control is good but not great-the cars ride quality is superb BTW.
5. I think that the sweet spot between ride and rebound control on my C3 is probably a 420 composite and Bilstein sports.Base cars generally speaking probably need a 330 composite (no less) and gymkhana cars like mine should be a 400-420b composite. Most C3's are way too softly sprung for adequate handling and ride control from the factory and all you have to do is ride in just about ANY car today (not sports cars) to realize how soft a stock C3's rear suspension is. Most car manufacturers today know that softly sprung cars make for a lousy ride and crap handling-even economy cars.
1. The stock 7/9 leaf steel spring has MANY drawbacks versus a composite spring-there is a reason that no one uses steel leaf springs on cars any longer.
2. Replacing the stock steel springs with a composite of comparable load rating is a mistake since the composite versus steel ratings do NOT equate when on the car.
3. A composite spring requires top quality shocks since its rebound is not limited by the the friction afforded by steel leafs-Bilsteins, Konis, QA1's etc. Forget mass market shocks like Monroe, Gabriel, KYB's.
4. I currently have a 1986 VBP 360 composite with Bilstein SPORTS and the rebound control is good but not great-the cars ride quality is superb BTW.
5. I think that the sweet spot between ride and rebound control on my C3 is probably a 420 composite and Bilstein sports.Base cars generally speaking probably need a 330 composite (no less) and gymkhana cars like mine should be a 400-420b composite. Most C3's are way too softly sprung for adequate handling and ride control from the factory and all you have to do is ride in just about ANY car today (not sports cars) to realize how soft a stock C3's rear suspension is. Most car manufacturers today know that softly sprung cars make for a lousy ride and crap handling-even economy cars.
Last edited by jb78L-82; 06-15-2015 at 07:32 PM.