406 SBC Hyd Roller with AFR 190's and PP Hurricane Dual Plane
10-07-2014, 01:11 PM
#21
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St. Jude Donor '05
Must be torture shifting a solid that low
18-20thou cold lash setting here makes some noise and I love it.
nothing sounds like a solid
Havent adjusted in almost 2 yrs either
18-20thou cold lash setting here makes some noise and I love it.
nothing sounds like a solid
Havent adjusted in almost 2 yrs either
10-07-2014, 02:40 PM
#22
Drifting
Ha...I just think of the torture of my wife asking me, in a very even tone, "You threw the what out of the who and it will cost HOW much?"
In comparing tortures, I choose the one that damn near guarantees that my engine will stay happy and healthy.
And I have to agree: Nothing sounds like a solid.
In comparing tortures, I choose the one that damn near guarantees that my engine will stay happy and healthy.
And I have to agree: Nothing sounds like a solid.
10-08-2014, 12:06 AM
#23
Melting Slicks
Why bother with a solid if the target rpm peak is under 7k?? Wouldn't a hyd roller have better performance all around at the lower rpm band? Or is the solid just for Saturday night bragging rights?
10-08-2014, 01:01 AM
#24
Drifting
For me it was a bit of nostalgia to keep solid lifters in my LT-1 engine. Rollers now, but who is counting? I also kept the original forged crank, the original TRW 11:1 mini dome pistons and the original winters forged dual plane aluminum intake.
I had aspirations of revving the hell out of it. Someday I may. But for now I am happy to keep it where it is. It makes LOTS of power. Really. Plenty for me.
In the end, I love tinkering and checking/adjusting the valves is raking a Zen Garden to me.
And I LOOOOOOOOVE the sound. Even if I'm giving up power, the music of a solid engine hitting is amazing. Really special.
I don't care about bragging. I just like playing. And impressing my 8 and 10 year old kids. Probably didn't need a solid engine to impress them, but they will understand the difference someday.
I had aspirations of revving the hell out of it. Someday I may. But for now I am happy to keep it where it is. It makes LOTS of power. Really. Plenty for me.
In the end, I love tinkering and checking/adjusting the valves is raking a Zen Garden to me.
And I LOOOOOOOOVE the sound. Even if I'm giving up power, the music of a solid engine hitting is amazing. Really special.
I don't care about bragging. I just like playing. And impressing my 8 and 10 year old kids. Probably didn't need a solid engine to impress them, but they will understand the difference someday.
10-08-2014, 08:59 PM
#25
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I am not a big fan of the professional products dual plane intake .the ports looked badly cast ,I had to use moroso epoxy to match it up to my heads .it took me 1 hr with a file to match up my air-gap to my dart heads .
10-08-2014, 09:25 PM
#26
I have the same cam slightly modified for an extra $40 I played with the dur. lift and small base circle and the cam is billet steel. I don't know if Comp Cams is offering these changes so cheap anymore though.The lobes on the cam are incredibly steep and I have no idea how the lifter follows them without jumping off the top. I have T & D shaft rockers and haven't had to make any adjustment in 2 years or more now. I will be honest and say there is some noise
10-08-2014, 11:38 PM
#27
Drifting
Solid roller set ups are just more stable-high rpms or not. If your not going to race it or beat the snot out of it then probably not neccessary but even if you "might" be beating on it hard in the future it's a good option imo.
10-09-2014, 11:12 AM
#28
Race Director
It truly is the best of all cams, as I have had them all, 375ft/lbs at the wheels @ 2,000RPM is very nice. I have my rev limiter set for 8,000RPM. As for bragging rights well that's just just immature.
10-09-2014, 01:41 PM
#29
Drifting
I viewed solid lifters as "old school" and "racy" more than being a bragging right.
ALL lifters/tappets were solid for the longest time. Desire to introduce a quieter and a less maintenance intensive engine package drove the hydraulic lifter.
In the research I did to prepare this response, I learned that the default lifter/tappet was actually a solid ROLLER lifter in the beginning. It was only after it became apparent that the roller/bearing assembly itself was the failure mode that the flat tappet come into existance. And even then, they realized that a FLAT tappet didn't work too well...that's why flat tappets aren't flat...they have a very, VERY slight bulge in the center.
Lets face it...not everyone can, or wants to, adjust valves. It should be done relatively often (every oil change at the very least?) and you can REALLY bum something up if you don't do it right.
Hydraulic lifters are the "set it and forget it" solution to valvetrain lash. Hydraulics have clear durability benefits by having zero lash and a "softer" valvetrain geometry, but low- or high-end performance is not one of the items you 'go to hydraulic' to obtain.
As far as low-end grunt, I'm certain there is (or could be) a solid grind that mimics the 'cushion' that is inherent to a hydraulic lifter and allows more low end grund and less high end power. But in today's world, that isn't where the market exists for solid grinds.
ALL lifters/tappets were solid for the longest time. Desire to introduce a quieter and a less maintenance intensive engine package drove the hydraulic lifter.
In the research I did to prepare this response, I learned that the default lifter/tappet was actually a solid ROLLER lifter in the beginning. It was only after it became apparent that the roller/bearing assembly itself was the failure mode that the flat tappet come into existance. And even then, they realized that a FLAT tappet didn't work too well...that's why flat tappets aren't flat...they have a very, VERY slight bulge in the center.
Lets face it...not everyone can, or wants to, adjust valves. It should be done relatively often (every oil change at the very least?) and you can REALLY bum something up if you don't do it right.
Hydraulic lifters are the "set it and forget it" solution to valvetrain lash. Hydraulics have clear durability benefits by having zero lash and a "softer" valvetrain geometry, but low- or high-end performance is not one of the items you 'go to hydraulic' to obtain.
As far as low-end grunt, I'm certain there is (or could be) a solid grind that mimics the 'cushion' that is inherent to a hydraulic lifter and allows more low end grund and less high end power. But in today's world, that isn't where the market exists for solid grinds.
10-09-2014, 06:38 PM
#30
Drifting
Thread Starter
the only thing though is when you have a hyd roller and you go around your buddy and his solid roller.....well words can't describe the look on his face....
10-09-2014, 07:22 PM
#31
Drifting
Meh...I'm not in it for the glory.
I raced a guy in a 6.2L Camaro SS. Stick. Very nice $35k~$40k car.
I had him by a bumper to 100.
He spent over $5k on a throttle body, cool tube, full exhaust, cats, and a few other widgets.
He had me by a car to 100.
I felt pretty darn good about the hydraulic motor beating me. If someone has to go out and spend nearly the cost of my entire engine build to get me by a car length, I'll consider that a success on my part.
With my 44 year old car.
And my cute little no bore, no stroke 350.
In a car that has a grand total of $18k invested, including original purchase price.
Just wait until I get my new intake, 5 speed, offset trailing arms, rear tires, and rear gears. THEN we'll race again...
I raced a guy in a 6.2L Camaro SS. Stick. Very nice $35k~$40k car.
I had him by a bumper to 100.
He spent over $5k on a throttle body, cool tube, full exhaust, cats, and a few other widgets.
He had me by a car to 100.
I felt pretty darn good about the hydraulic motor beating me. If someone has to go out and spend nearly the cost of my entire engine build to get me by a car length, I'll consider that a success on my part.
With my 44 year old car.
And my cute little no bore, no stroke 350.
In a car that has a grand total of $18k invested, including original purchase price.
Just wait until I get my new intake, 5 speed, offset trailing arms, rear tires, and rear gears. THEN we'll race again...
10-09-2014, 08:18 PM
#32
Safety Car
Meh...I'm not in it for the glory.
I raced a guy in a 6.2L Camaro SS. Stick. Very nice $35k~$40k car.
I had him by a bumper to 100.
He spent over $5k on a throttle body, cool tube, full exhaust, cats, and a few other widgets.
He had me by a car to 100.
I felt pretty darn good about the hydraulic motor beating me. If someone has to go out and spend nearly the cost of my entire engine build to get me by a car length, I'll consider that a success on my part.
With my 44 year old car.
And my cute little no bore, no stroke 350.
In a car that has a grand total of $18k invested, including original purchase price.
Just wait until I get my new intake, 5 speed, offset trailing arms, rear tires, and rear gears. THEN we'll race again...
I raced a guy in a 6.2L Camaro SS. Stick. Very nice $35k~$40k car.
I had him by a bumper to 100.
He spent over $5k on a throttle body, cool tube, full exhaust, cats, and a few other widgets.
He had me by a car to 100.
I felt pretty darn good about the hydraulic motor beating me. If someone has to go out and spend nearly the cost of my entire engine build to get me by a car length, I'll consider that a success on my part.
With my 44 year old car.
And my cute little no bore, no stroke 350.
In a car that has a grand total of $18k invested, including original purchase price.
Just wait until I get my new intake, 5 speed, offset trailing arms, rear tires, and rear gears. THEN we'll race again...
DO MA NEU!
10-09-2014, 08:33 PM
#33
Drifting
I'm sorry...I'm an idiot. Are you asking what my engine is making power-wise?
I'll get in trouble if I speculate. Folks around here don't like hearing horsepower figures unless you have a dyno sheet to back up your claim.
If I was going to give an uneducated guess, based only on a horsepower comparison to the cars that I have beaten and been beaten by, that I am comfortably above 400 HP but probably not 450 HP. This being a pump-gas, straight-bore, solid lifter, full roller 350 with big heads and a wicked cam.
I have power left in my tune. Running 80 jets in the back and the engine is asking for more.
I have power left in my intake. Running the old LT-1 Winter's aluminum intake. My builder thinks I have at least 25 HP, probably more, hiding in an RPM Air-Gap intake.
And if I grew the stones, I could run it past 5,500 RPM and probably pick up a good bit of something good up there. The builder is very comfortable with me running a 6,500 RPM redline, but I'm not ready.
I'll get in trouble if I speculate. Folks around here don't like hearing horsepower figures unless you have a dyno sheet to back up your claim.
If I was going to give an uneducated guess, based only on a horsepower comparison to the cars that I have beaten and been beaten by, that I am comfortably above 400 HP but probably not 450 HP. This being a pump-gas, straight-bore, solid lifter, full roller 350 with big heads and a wicked cam.
I have power left in my tune. Running 80 jets in the back and the engine is asking for more.
I have power left in my intake. Running the old LT-1 Winter's aluminum intake. My builder thinks I have at least 25 HP, probably more, hiding in an RPM Air-Gap intake.
And if I grew the stones, I could run it past 5,500 RPM and probably pick up a good bit of something good up there. The builder is very comfortable with me running a 6,500 RPM redline, but I'm not ready.
10-09-2014, 11:42 PM
#34
Safety Car
I'm sorry...I'm an idiot. Are you asking what my engine is making power-wise?
I'll get in trouble if I speculate. Folks around here don't like hearing horsepower figures unless you have a dyno sheet to back up your claim.
If I was going to give an uneducated guess, based only on a horsepower comparison to the cars that I have beaten and been beaten by, that I am comfortably above 400 HP but probably not 450 HP. This being a pump-gas, straight-bore, solid lifter, full roller 350 with big heads and a wicked cam.
I have power left in my tune. Running 80 jets in the back and the engine is asking for more.
I have power left in my intake. Running the old LT-1 Winter's aluminum intake. My builder thinks I have at least 25 HP, probably more, hiding in an RPM Air-Gap intake.
And if I grew the stones, I could run it past 5,500 RPM and probably pick up a good bit of something good up there. The builder is very comfortable with me running a 6,500 RPM redline, but I'm not ready.
I'll get in trouble if I speculate. Folks around here don't like hearing horsepower figures unless you have a dyno sheet to back up your claim.
If I was going to give an uneducated guess, based only on a horsepower comparison to the cars that I have beaten and been beaten by, that I am comfortably above 400 HP but probably not 450 HP. This being a pump-gas, straight-bore, solid lifter, full roller 350 with big heads and a wicked cam.
I have power left in my tune. Running 80 jets in the back and the engine is asking for more.
I have power left in my intake. Running the old LT-1 Winter's aluminum intake. My builder thinks I have at least 25 HP, probably more, hiding in an RPM Air-Gap intake.
And if I grew the stones, I could run it past 5,500 RPM and probably pick up a good bit of something good up there. The builder is very comfortable with me running a 6,500 RPM redline, but I'm not ready.
DO MA NEU!
10-09-2014, 11:53 PM
#35
Drifting
Absolutely no clue. I am unwilling to take it over 100 until I get through my frame and suspension project.
I would speculate that I am solidly in the 12's, but that is a guess based in chocolate ice cream and dreams.
The car is fast. I will post a GoPro video sometime soon.
I would speculate that I am solidly in the 12's, but that is a guess based in chocolate ice cream and dreams.
The car is fast. I will post a GoPro video sometime soon.
10-10-2014, 01:39 PM
#36
Drifting
Thread Starter
Meh...I'm not in it for the glory.
I raced a guy in a 6.2L Camaro SS. Stick. Very nice $35k~$40k car.
I had him by a bumper to 100.
He spent over $5k on a throttle body, cool tube, full exhaust, cats, and a few other widgets.
He had me by a car to 100.
I felt pretty darn good about the hydraulic motor beating me. If someone has to go out and spend nearly the cost of my entire engine build to get me by a car length, I'll consider that a success on my part.
With my 44 year old car.
And my cute little no bore, no stroke 350.
In a car that has a grand total of $18k invested, including original purchase price.
Just wait until I get my new intake, 5 speed, offset trailing arms, rear tires, and rear gears. THEN we'll race again...
I raced a guy in a 6.2L Camaro SS. Stick. Very nice $35k~$40k car.
I had him by a bumper to 100.
He spent over $5k on a throttle body, cool tube, full exhaust, cats, and a few other widgets.
He had me by a car to 100.
I felt pretty darn good about the hydraulic motor beating me. If someone has to go out and spend nearly the cost of my entire engine build to get me by a car length, I'll consider that a success on my part.
With my 44 year old car.
And my cute little no bore, no stroke 350.
In a car that has a grand total of $18k invested, including original purchase price.
Just wait until I get my new intake, 5 speed, offset trailing arms, rear tires, and rear gears. THEN we'll race again...
I would compare a Gen 1 to a Gen 1. The LS platform is its own animal.
10-10-2014, 04:28 PM
#37
Drifting
