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Old 02-06-2012, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by C3Paul
Ok,
Had a go at the push rod checking business with this tool:
Paul, As I said via PM, I used the lightweight checking springs instead of a solid or modified lifter:


This is the pattern I got at 7.350:

Should be about right when head gasket thickness is taken into account.

A few reasons mine needs longer pushrods than yours, not the least of which is the small base circle cam.

Sounds like you are nearly there, congrats. Should be expecting my tools back soon then!

This is a great thread with lots of good info.
Old 02-06-2012, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by gkull
Other than your ? You have to back off your rocker studs and move guide plates side to side to best center the push rods with a gap. They are not there to keep them in place.
Ok, I will make sure of this.

I do not have any vacuume screws at this moment.

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Race:http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RHS-82216-8/
Old 02-06-2012, 07:35 AM
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Sounds like you are nearly there, congrats. Should be expecting my tools back soon then!
Yes Ray

Your tools are now packed and ready to go back

Thank you for the tools
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One of the better plugs I have found are the Autolite platinum # AP3924
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Originally Posted by C3Paul
Thank you for the tools
No problem, glad I could help.
Old 02-29-2012, 11:18 PM
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Have i missed something this engine now running ?
Old 03-01-2012, 04:50 PM
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Wow, you beat me to it again!

Pushrods just arrived and am about to fit them in to the engine.

What OIL do I need to break-in my engine?
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Pushrods are fitted, lash adjusted engine is filled up with oil and lube up with 50+ oil pressure.

So far, so good.

About to fit the flywheel and would like to check if I need to use ‘Star lock washers’ when I am using ARP bolts with blue loctite
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So, to conclude this thread:

After a sleepless night and feeling sick, the engine has been successfully run in, tuned and tested

We have used Edelbrock 1406 carburettor (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-1406/) with timing set at 35*@4500 RPM and long tube headers.

Max power 457 @ 5500RPM
Max torque 481 @4300RPM

I was going to test my short headers to find out how much difference in power there is, however the shop owner just shook his head in laughter and talk me out of using them.

In his words: You have built a fantastic street engine, why on earth would you want to kill it with your toy, shiny short headers?
Time to buy new long headers!

Anyway, here is the video, enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV_FV...&feature=share

and pics:








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I was going to test my short headers to find out how much difference in power there is, however the shop owner just shook his head in laughter and talk me out of using them.

In his words: You have built a fantastic street engine, why on earth would you want to kill it with your toy, shiny short headers?
Time to buy new long headers!
Again and again people try to tell people this yet every week a new thread starts about them!
Im going to reply with this above knowledge everytime!
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I expected it to pull to 6000. Nice flat torque curve? I can't read the dyno sheet on the video. 481 ft lbs @ 4300 is awesome.

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Originally Posted by 63mako
I expected it to pull to 6000. Nice flat torque curve? I can't read the dyno sheet on the video. 481 ft lbs @ 4300 is awesome. I was hoping for 450 ft lbs from 3500 to redline with the cam we picked.
We have used the Edelbrock 600 CFM 1406 carb, which is not suitable for high RPM (as per Edelbrock) so perhaps with different carb I could get more power.

EDELBROCK PERFORMER SERIES 600 CFM, ELECTRIC CHOKE CARBURETORS
CALIBRATED FOR FUEL ECONOMY
Designed for small-block and small displacement big-block engines, these carbs are recommended only for stock to Performer level applications. They are not recommended for use on RPM or Torker II intake manifolds. Match with an Edelbrock Performer or Performer EPS manifold and other brands of similar design. Calibrated 2% leaner than #1405. Includes both timed and full vacuum ports for ignition advance. Comes with: Metering Jets - Primary .098, Secondary .095; Metering Rods - .075 x .047; Step-Up Spring - yellow (4" Hg). Use our Carb Stud Kits #8008 or #8024 if needed, see Installation Items. For auto trans throttle lever adapters and more, see Tuning Accessories.


Anyway here is the chart:


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We have used Edelbrock 1406 carburettor



Want to gain 50 horsepower?
Try an 850 Holley double pumper!
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Yes, the 600 carb is choking the motor from that flattening out you see at 4800-4900 rpm up and affecting power below that. It is jetted lean as well. Any A/F ratio info on the dyno runs? You will do better at the bottom end if the distributor timing is all in at 3000 RPM instead of 4500 (easy fix with weaker dist springs). It should pull hard to 6200. Might have another 30-40 hp with the right carb and jetting. You need a 750 with a roller 383. Here is a sizing chart I have found to be reliable. Figure 6500 RPM redline with your beehive springs.
http://holley.com/applications/Carbu...bSelection.asp

This would be good.
http://holley.com/0-80770

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I always thought about running a 600 or 650 on my 383. I'm very good at tuning the EDL carbs. The book only shows limited A/F ratio choices. Years ago I made a spread sheet giving the area of flow with rod and jet combinations
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Originally Posted by gkull
I always thought about running a 600 or 650 on my 383. I'm very good at tuning the EDL carbs. The book only shows limited A/F ratio choices. Years ago I made a spread sheet giving the area of flow with rod and jet combinations
No matter what rod you put in it your only getting 600 CFM of air.
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I see alot guys over carb there engines and the dyno sheet should how much air that engine consumed and I am sure its no where near 850 CFM

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How about an updated, final list of components? I was going to try to follow 29 pages of posts, but I'm too old.... I'll die before I finish.
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Originally Posted by BLOCKMAN
I see alot guys over carb there engines and the dyno sheet should how much air that engine consumed and I am sure its no where near 850 CFM


If you do the motor CFM math of a 383 doing 6000 rpm the carb cfm is amazingly low.
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I really do not want this to turn in to why we did or did not use this or that carburettor.

On a paper my engine has the potential to deliver, however lots of engines deliver even more on paper than mine, but in reality they do not and therefore we used the Edelbrock 1406 carb.

I am very happy with my first ever engines build.

It runs and is outperforming my expectations at 425/425.

It appears that this engine with suitably matched carburettor and headers has the potential to deliver even more.

If it doesn't not a big deal! I am happy!!!

This is the Dyno read out:


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