110 Octane Leaded Race Fuel...Will it hurt my mildly built vette?!?
#61
Burning Brakes
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#62
Burning Brakes
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#63
Race Director
I made some DCR calculations. Assuming that your compresion ratio is 10.5:1, and your cam is 270 duration on the intake & exhaust, has a 110 lsa, and is installed with the icl @ 106, then your DCR is 8.6:1. Those cam timing numbers are actually for a 270 Comp magnum hydraulic though, becasue as far as I can tell looking at their catalog, Crane didnt grind a 270 / .470 cam.
Anyway, with an 8.6:1 DCR it isnt a sure thing that you need race gas at all.
If I were you, I would run it on super unleaded to see if it pings. If it does ping I would start mixing the race gas in with the super unleaded until it stops. Just running a few gallons of race gas to a tank of super unleaded would likely be all you would ever need.
Or you can just run the race gas. The only thing its liable to hurt is your wallet.
Anyway, with an 8.6:1 DCR it isnt a sure thing that you need race gas at all.
If I were you, I would run it on super unleaded to see if it pings. If it does ping I would start mixing the race gas in with the super unleaded until it stops. Just running a few gallons of race gas to a tank of super unleaded would likely be all you would ever need.
Or you can just run the race gas. The only thing its liable to hurt is your wallet.
#64
Burning Brakes
Yes, the smell was what i was refering to, but there are a lot of sleepers out there. that the only thing you notice is the smell of race fuel. Then you see them at the track and they roll off a 6.90 in the 1/8.
#65
i have read that running higher octane than needed will actually hurt performance because as octane goes up BTUs go down meaning that there is less actual energy in a gallon of 116 octane as in a gallon of 87.
It makes sense. After all octane is just simply resistance to detonation from compression. The more volatile the fuel is the easier it will explode when compressed.
It makes sense. After all octane is just simply resistance to detonation from compression. The more volatile the fuel is the easier it will explode when compressed.
So I agree higher octane fuel is more readily consumed, or "burns quicker" in my experience.
#66
Team Owner
Sure, yeah, ignore Mike. He has already agreed that he is dumber than I am.
#67
Well, I obviously regret participating in this thread. I frequently make the mistake of not picking up on the subtleties of someone who is asking a serious technical question and may end up hearing things that contradict their preconceived ideas, vs. someone who just wants others to agree with them no matter how misinformed and off the track they might be.
You appear to be the latter case, so I should have avoided posting. No matter. Yes, I am very blunt with my answers. I don't come here to chat and smile or talk sh*t like many others do.
Please, please block me so that I no longer annoy you. If you like, I'll also delete all my posts. You'll still end up with same net result of NOBODY agreeing with you that it's a good idea to run race gas for other than feel good reasons. But I repeat myself. Good luck.
You appear to be the latter case, so I should have avoided posting. No matter. Yes, I am very blunt with my answers. I don't come here to chat and smile or talk sh*t like many others do.
Please, please block me so that I no longer annoy you. If you like, I'll also delete all my posts. You'll still end up with same net result of NOBODY agreeing with you that it's a good idea to run race gas for other than feel good reasons. But I repeat myself. Good luck.
#68
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Pretty nifty site I located before doing the head work that helped out tremendously...http://earchitect.50megs.com/corvette/vspecs.html
That's less than 400 grams. BS! There's a passel of pro builders around Concord NC who know a stock base 350 passenger car rod weighs a LOT more than 400g ... don't trust me ... ask them. If they were close to 400g, they'd be worth lotsa $dough$. I've never weighed one without bolts, but even sans rodbolts I expect it's over 400g. And who TF actually sets up & measures a comb chamber to the hundredth of a cc? Across production, they vary at least a couple whole cc's both +/-. Hey, check that duration (~340) & overlap for L-82 cam; JUNK! Nice lookin' spec sheet there but it's tainted (even if they claim its data came from on high).
While assisting GM's suppliers w/ process improvements & validations, I "acquired" several "doc-controlled stamped approved" engineering drawings for GM parts. I retain them to this day but No, I'm not sharing them. I've worked with hundreds of others. It is not uncommon for such drawings to bear mistakes/errors; usually only one / minor but sometimes many & sometimes gross. Even though engineers tom, dick & harry have signed off on them.
Suggest don't trust everything you find on internet, including this thread; nor even this very post I've just written.
#69
Racer
If the 8.6 DCR is too much for a pump gas, he could alway retard his cam 4* to lower the DCR, right?
Easier said then done and I learned the hard way to but: plan the build right for what you want, save the $$$, order parts, pull and build!
I'm going through the build in phases too only because of tight $$ issues and setting priorities. Otherwise, like many of you, it would be game on.
Easier said then done and I learned the hard way to but: plan the build right for what you want, save the $$$, order parts, pull and build!
I'm going through the build in phases too only because of tight $$ issues and setting priorities. Otherwise, like many of you, it would be game on.
#70
Melting Slicks
Guys...... The guy just wants to run race gas in his car...thats it. It won't do any damage to his engine (he could get more performance from 93 octane) but he wants to run race gas....and feel good about it.
Fill it with 110.... turn the key, and enjoy....isn't that what its all about?
Fill it with 110.... turn the key, and enjoy....isn't that what its all about?
#71
Le Mans Master
I do Agree however that one should never take on faith, what one reads on the Internet, or anywhere else for that matter.
#72
Burning Brakes
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Guys...... The guy just wants to run race gas in his car...thats it. It won't do any damage to his engine (he could get more performance from 93 octane) but he wants to run race gas....and feel good about it.
Fill it with 110.... turn the key, and enjoy....isn't that what its all about?
Fill it with 110.... turn the key, and enjoy....isn't that what its all about?