MS69 350/4-speed

OK,

Her it is my buddy bought a 09 Challenger RT and has never owned a fast car so of course he thinks thinks this is the fastest car on 4 wheels... and wants to race everyone.

We were at a golf tournament and had a few too many beers and one of our foursome asked " Hey do you think your cars faster than Slones"

Without hesitation he said "OH YEA"

So I thought Faster Yes his car will top out at 140-150

But quicker ( 1/4 mile ) Not likely.... When I told him this he stated
"I have 30 Yrs Technology on you"

His car is rated at low 14's in the 1/4 mile.

My Car I have never taken to the strip to see but let me tell what it is:

69 350/350 4-speed 4.11 Gears

The engine is original 350 and was rebuilt in 07 it has the original 202 Double hump heads with new springs and screw in studs and guideplates. still has the 11.1 Pistons, Crane roller rockers, when the rebuilt it they put the LT1 Cam and solid lifters in it, Not sure what the lift and duration are? but has a torker II intake and toped of with a Holley 650 DP carb. also has a MSD6AL ignition with an updated HEI dist. Muncie 4-Speed with Hurst shifter and 4.11 Posi. Long tube headers with 2.5 exhaust back through Flowmasters 40's.

The Race shop that put the exhaust on guestimated its making 415HP at the flywheel.

my vette is still set up with stock suspension and tires. Rallys.

My Car weighs just over 3000 lbs with 415 HP

His Challenger wieghs 4100 lbs with 372 HP

Physics and Math would suggest I win. But he has trackion...I do not...At all...

As you will see in this video, go to the end to see me try to launch and run through the gears...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kEOY...e=channel_page

Here is a video you should be able to get a feel for the cam that I have:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC-oq...e=channel_page

My question is not if my car is faster in the 1/4 mile but cat I beat him with stock tires? Do I definately need slicks? THis is a one time kind of deal... I usually do not beat on my car this hard but sometimes You have have to put wannabes in their place.

If I walk the car off the line so i dont spin and don't shift hard into 2nd at high rpm can I beat a low 14's challenger?

He has been persitant and has asked that we go to the strip to run em...

Her is some pics of my beast:

http://www.holtautosales.com/slone/

Advice and opinions would be great!

Mako72

Drag radials are your friends

timgman

Put some rubber under that thing,
....and watch him fade into the distance in your rear view mirror...

midyearvette

i would think you could run mid 13's fairly easily with street tires, which puts you 6 cars ahead of him in the 1/4.......vroom vroom!!

Reggie Dunlop

The R/T runs in the mid-13s stock. As it sits, it would be a very close race and probably won by the driver with the better skills / experience. IF he does just about any mod to the engine in the R/T, you will have your **** handed to you. I saw 1 of the run at the track last weekend and it had after market exhaust and air inlet, and ran 13 flat @ 104 - 106.

MotorHead

Power to weight you will be him no problems, he needs 500HP with the weight of that tank

MotorHead

I have seen many new so called 13 sec cars at the track, usually turn mid to high 14's low 15's when all is said and done

With mods the newer cars can make some HP

MS69 350/4-speed

His RT is an Auto. not sure if that makes any difference.

THe best I have found a stock RT is 14.1

I have to believe withsome drag radials on my vette I could get low 13's or high 12's?

I just want to know if this race at the track requires me to buy Slicks for my vette?

MS69 350/4-speed

His car is the 5.7 Hemi RT not the 6.1 Hemi RT8 That breaks into the 13's

BKbroiler

I think your car can run quicker than his, even on street tires. You can still beat him even if he runs a quicker ET. If both of you have little or no drag strip experience, make the first race count and cut a light on him. Both of you stage. You should roll slowly till the second stage light comes on. The tree will blink down. He will wait for the green before he moves. You should react to the last yellow as if that is the green. You won't red light. The instant the last yellow light comes on, take off. You will easily get 3 to 4 tenths of a head start. He will never catch you.

Sho'nuff

You are in luck then. The srt8 is pretty mean. freind of mine's ran mid 13 off the floor. GREAT ride BTW!

Reggie Dunlop

I was there. It went 13 flat.

This is what I'm talking about.

MS69 350/4-speed

Your Friend has an RT or an RT8?

MS69 350/4-speed

Does it matter much if I run Open Headers?

Oldguard 7

I would love to see you win. I saw your page and I think you are right (IMO) about the 69 being the most desired bumper car. It is my favorite. I had a 70-72, I would glass in the egg crate fender intakes and have those four sinister looking gills cut in. As far as you running open headers, it will help...very little though. If you choose to race, please have some video footage. I hope you make him eat your rubber, exhaust and anything else you leave in your rear view window.

68/70Vette

Try to make a few practices runs ahead of time. Get to know the car. You'll probably have a wheel spin situation. A little wheel spin will help, but too much will cause you to loose time. Make an initial easy run, and then start trying to go a little faster. I remember when I made my first run. I really stomped it. Then as I was approaching the line, the speed and uncertainty caused me to back off the throttle. Stupid as it seems in afterthought, I was actually momentarily frightened that I might not have enough strip left to come to a stop...even though with a clear brain in afterthought it's obvious that with AA fuel dragsters on the same strip had enough roadway to stop. Popping the mufflers off will help...but will the other guy cry foul?

MS69 350/4-speed

Who cares if he crys... he can pop his exhaust if he wants....

L79racer

Put on a set of drag radials or a set of 26" slicks and you should be able to run high 12's. I think you should have a 750 double pumper on it. My brother ran the same cam in low compression 350, same gears and 4 speed in a 68 camaro and went 13 teens with it. Camaros a little heavier than the vette and you should be making more power with the higher compression. Good luck!

MS69 350/4-speed

I completely agree, I should run it a few times as a 4 spped with a hurst shifter it has seemed to cause me porublem when just playing when I rev the RPMs up between shifts...It has seemed hard to get into gear...? But I have little experience in trying... I know if I try to shift without ltting off the throttle into 2nd above 5000RPMS it fights me? Thanks god for the MSD rev limiter.....I havent tried it too many times but a buudy was telling me about power shifting....and the fewtimes I have got to work.... Hold On the car is going sideways....

MotorHead

I wasn't talking about the car you saw, more indirectly every year some 4 or 6 cylinder turbo or whatever hits the market and I hear "It will turn low 13's in the 1/4 mile" and every time I see these cars at the track they aren't even close to 13 seconds.

I have seen big blocks 440 mopars and 454 chevys screaming off the line and turning mid 13's and these were race cars. It is not as easy as everyone might think.

Now to get back the OP question. With ~1000 extra pounds of weight if they both turned 13 flat the chrysler would need 100HP at the crank more than the Vette. Simple physics is all that is stopping the Challenger from winning


Also don't bother power shifting unless you want to pick up parts off the track