dklumpp

Anyone know the story on this car?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/116004500979?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=CwWxhBbzQd6&sssrc=4429486&ssuid= nfZoXQ3vTXe&var=&widget_ver=artemis&medi a=COPY

ratflinger

Doubtful - listing should have started at $100,000. Black book lists only 2, and with an auto?? If this car is real then it should have been at Mecums or Barrett-Jackson, not Ebay.

dklumpp

Don't think it's real as well but there must be some story with it that appears to be an original zl1 block

ed427vette

Very interesting for sure. Wish I could make out the tank sticker better, too bad it’s lost. Can’t see what it started life as but that’s not the wording used for the 390hp. I have to check my doc library at home. That might be L88 wording. Not positive. I would like to see that engine pad better but it’s still a ZL1 so that is pretty nice. Maybe it was an early dealer transplant car. That’s what many suspect the “real” orange car is. Gunmetal interior is pretty rare and with white. Odd. I wouldn’t mind getting this one whatever it is.

specialized equip

No PB or proportioning valve, but has 2pin calipers.I would think this cars pedigree would have been established long before now, says he bought it 4 years ago.

dklumpp

It sounds really nasty

99FRC Newb

It’s not the orange convertible or the yellow hard top.

It’s also not listed for a million dollars.

This is a normal ‘69 with the aluminum 427 in it.

n2h2o2

Only two rolled off the line...If one of these comes up for auction it will be 3 million plus...
https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/18...lock-chevy-v8/
https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/t...d-sell-for-3m/

But they did sell quite a few of these engines over the counter to racers...
Could be a dealer install but there should be some documentation.
I see it is an automatic with a 9 leaf rear...Should be an M22 with a F41 suspension...

ed427vette

I don’t believe it’s a real ZL1 but the ZL1 did have the option of Auto. Not all L88/ZL1 came as 4 speeds.

n2h2o2

I stand corrected....The orange one came with the M40 auto....
F41 should have a 7 leaf...I think this was either a dealer install or a tribute car that someone built...
It isn't one from the factory or worth millions, but it should fetch a decent number for the fun of having one to drive without the worries... (well fewer worries...)

ed427vette

Pedigree and provenance is not always apparent. 10-15 years ago I remember a very rare long lost Ferrari chassis showed up on eBay under a Devin rebody. Looked like a piece of scrap metal. It sold for peanuts but the well known, well educated buyer knew what he was looking at. I think it was Shaunessy that bought it. It happens. I remember watching the auction as it was an old Devin race car which by itself was pretty cool. Car is worth millions today. Not saying this is the case at all, but I don’t dismiss things so quickly. Almost certainly not genuine/original but even if it’s a dealer transplant that makes it at the very least interesting and possibly noteworthy and historically important.

And the orange ZL1 is still and probably always will be in question. The tank sheet missing on this car is a big deal. It’s not an L88 if that tank sticker really is the original to the car as it’s missing the J56 brakes. Only one L88 came without that option and by special order.

n2h2o2

I right clicked and opened in a separate tab so the image could be enlarged...

You had to order the L88 before you could get the ZL1
I found this:
"Having to first select the $1,032 RPO L88 before adding the $3,000 RPO ZL-1, power-assisted, heavy-duty brakes came standard, as did the heavy-duty suspension package, a Positraction rear axle, and transistorized ignition. The list of what you didn’t get was equally impressive: radio, heater, air conditioning, power windows, and power steering. Even the fan shroud was omitted because it interrupted airflow. At $4,718, the outrageous supplementary price of the all-aluminum ZL-1 package and its required speed accoutrements more than doubled the base price of a new Corvette".

ed427vette

The F41 isn’t on the tank sheet either. I’m not sure what was required when you ordered an L88/ZL1 except that you could NOT order a radio, no AC and you had to have the J56 brakes (except for the one special ordered without the J56), must have trans ignition, M22 or special M40, HD posi plus some other things.

I know you didn’t have to have the F41 with the L71 and you couldn’t order it with any other engine but I do think it was required on the L88. Not sure. Since the L88 is not on the original dealer retail order forms I’m not sure what is required. All other options on the order forms tell you what must be ordered with any particular engine.

Im sure it’s not a L88 as I said above, no J56. But it might have been an L71. I have to compare tank stickers when I get home.

ed427vette

I don’t think that’s completely correct. I could be wrong but I think the heater was required on all cars due to EPA including the L88 as the car had to be road legal to be run at LeMans in the GT class. Homologation rules. Otherwise it’s considered a Prototype and it would have never been competitive against the real prototypes. It was discouraged for road use but had to meet requirements that’s also why they had smog systems from the factory.

n2h2o2

Who knows??? These were so special and I am sure favors were made at this level of special orders...

Interesting this car does not have a brake booster, but the other car does and the Sothby's listing states it was a standard option...

I would like to hear Stan's opinion on this one...It is all a bit over my mouse motor head...

I got that info from the Sothby's listing for the orange car...
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/a...rtible/1317662

ed427vette

I hope Stan chimes in.
It’s definitely not original. It’s a converted car. What might make it interesting is who did it, why and when, especially if it was a dealer thing. Or it could just be an over the counter back yard street racer. Which is no less interesting in some respects. Either way, the motor by itself is big bucks. I’m not ruling out evening buying it, just got no place to stick it right now.

calwldlife

hmm,
nice motor.
thanks for the listing.

n2h2o2

It sure sounds good and would definitely attract an admiring crowd...Me included!
I currently have a 72 LT-1 low option convertible, and decided to do a nut and bolt, body off and build it back as a LT-1 / ZR-1 TRIBUTE ...J56, F41, M22, 3.55...
I don't plan to sell, I just plan to drive the hell out of it!

PRFKT69VET

Another curious thing on the tank sticker is the axle ratio is listed twice in the comfort section but not at all up top. It's the same way on the orange one.

PRFKT69VET

It's up to 50K now so if you want it it's not going to be cheap.