71 4 speed reverse lock out T handle
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71 4 speed reverse lock out T handle
One of the pull up ears on my 71 4 speed broke a couple years ago. I bought a new T handle with rod installed. Everything slid right into place with no effort. However, I can still put the car in reverse without pulling the T. Spring tension feels correct. I've tried dropping it in there in neutral, reverse etc but it behaves as if the rod is not making contact with anything. There are a few minor things on the car I've been attempting to tend to this summer. Anybody know whats wrong? Could I have bought the wrong replacement (length)? Or is there more to it than just dropping it in? Thanks for any help.
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Do you have a hurst shifter with a corvette handle on top
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73sbvert (08-10-2023)
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The car is basically stock. I assumed it was the muncie. I know the gears are very close together and the **** is black just the way it was originally made. There's never been any repair work or upgrades ever done to the transmission.
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have you compared the the 2 rods?
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I inherited my 73 with Hurst shifter and OEM shift handle including T lever.
The T doesn't do anything, just have to push a little harder to the left to get into the Reverse gate.
Not uncommon from what I understand.
The T doesn't do anything, just have to push a little harder to the left to get into the Reverse gate.
Not uncommon from what I understand.
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that sounds like you have a Hurst shifter. They make a look alike that looks like a stock shift lever but the T doesnt do anything. If you look under the boot the Hurst lever bolts onto the Hurst shifter from the side. If its a stock shifter the lever is part of the shifter and is not removable without total disassembly. When you say you have to push to go into reverse that is the Hurst hallmark. Either its a slap to go into the reverse gate or a push vertically down on handle to get it to go left into the reverse gate
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I didn't even think to compare the rods. Now I don't know where the old rod is. I keep all of that stuff but I don't remember where I put that. You're right though. I should have done that. I'm probably gonna buy another one since they're not too expensive and make dang sure its the correct one. I just wasn't sure if there was more involved than just dropping it in.
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you may not have a stock shifter read my post above yours. I think you have a Hurst shifter and the Hurst look a like shift lever
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While there are three different length rods, I doubt you got the wrong one. 64-67 rods and reverse "T" are completely different then 68 up "T"s. The 68-76 rod (and the shifter it goes in) is shorter then 77-81's. So unless you have a 77-81 shifter (not impossible after 52 years), the rod would be to long, not too short. The 77-81 reverse rod won't go all the way into a 68-76 shifter.
The stock Muncie shifters weren't known for being very precise, so a lot of people prefer the Hurst shifter, but still want the stock look. That is were the replacement handle idea came from.
Below is a link to the replacement shifter handle sold for use on Hurst shifters. These handles are easy to identify because they bolt onto the shift body, while Muncie handles go into the shift body and are held in by a press pin. By feeling around the bottom of your shift boot you may be able to feel the attaching bolts to determine if you have a Hurst shifter and replacement handle. Worse case, pull the four screws holding the shift plate into the console, lift the shift plate up a little and peak under to see if the handle's bolted to the shifter.
This is what the Hurst replacement handle looks like.
https://www.volvette.com/SH006B.html
This is how the stock handle looks outside of the shifter body. The difference where it attaches is pretty obvious.
https://www.volvette.com/SH008A.html
The stock Muncie shifters weren't known for being very precise, so a lot of people prefer the Hurst shifter, but still want the stock look. That is were the replacement handle idea came from.
Below is a link to the replacement shifter handle sold for use on Hurst shifters. These handles are easy to identify because they bolt onto the shift body, while Muncie handles go into the shift body and are held in by a press pin. By feeling around the bottom of your shift boot you may be able to feel the attaching bolts to determine if you have a Hurst shifter and replacement handle. Worse case, pull the four screws holding the shift plate into the console, lift the shift plate up a little and peak under to see if the handle's bolted to the shifter.
This is what the Hurst replacement handle looks like.
https://www.volvette.com/SH006B.html
This is how the stock handle looks outside of the shifter body. The difference where it attaches is pretty obvious.
https://www.volvette.com/SH008A.html
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monue (08-11-2023)
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Yes. The T-handle spring is in the correct way. It feels perfect. Goes into reverse perfect. Changes gears perfect. Its just that it will go into reverse with out having to raise the T. I seriously doubt that the shifter has been changed to a Hurst. I don't know if any 71s were ever made with a factory installed Hurst shifter or not. Its a minor problem but it still bugs me.
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Yes. The T-handle spring is in the correct way. It feels perfect. Goes into reverse perfect. Changes gears perfect. Its just that it will go into reverse with out having to raise the T. I seriously doubt that the shifter has been changed to a Hurst. I don't know if any 71s were ever made with a factory installed Hurst shifter or not. Its a minor problem but it still bugs me.
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You won't be able to tell from the top unless you remove the center console and shift boot. However, in 30 seconds in the garage with a phone, you can end all of this speculation.
Here's what a Hurst Competition Plus looks like mounted on a B&W Super T10. If you get under the car, it should be obvious. It is mounted to the transmission, not to the crossmember. Try to hold the camera still, unlike what I did.