dual quad 59

I recently picked up this 209 FG carb, and was getting ready to have it installed. I was told that it looked like a restamp. I've had a total of three knowledgable people all agree. The reasons given:

1. The spacing between the number and letters is incorrect
2. The "2" 's shouldn't match
3. The 9 appears to be an upside down 6
4. The FG is incorrect font.

Looking for some help and opinions.

AJC 69 BB

And that's some crooked stamping as well.
I have seen this carb before the clown you purchased this carb from tried to sell it to a guy. I know and I told him don't bother it's a fake I know who the seller is lets see if he has the ***** to make it right ???

avalonjohn

I am not an expert but I have compared it to one I know is right, as well as others listed by very reputable sellers and there are differences.

dual quad 59

I have reached out to the seller, but he has not yet responded.

There are other issues with the carb as well. Did the one you looked at (this one?) have other items that were wrong?

avalonjohn

Here is a 7028209 FG that I have compared to several others and in my opinion, this is real.

dual quad 59

That looks completely different than the stamping I have. The 2's, the 9, the FG, all different

AJC 69 BB

Yes its the same carb wrong choke assembly, wrong arm. I will look in my sent emails to see if I still have the pictures from the last yr. I forwarded the pics to several other guys I know who restore carbs for a living and they said the same thing it's a fake !!

dual quad 59

Yes, it is the same carb for sure. Those are indeed the issues.

dual quad 59

Thank you for the info. I don't think there is any chance this isn't a fake.

tfringo

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I rarely comment about such things but that in my opinion is fake. The texture of the background metal surrounding the numbers has been something done to it. You can see a change in the fine texture of the surface metal.

A long time time ago I talked to people’s about how this is accomplished by some sort of process of pressing the original numbers out or milling them out.

Those don’t resemble characters on the two carbs I have. I suspect if you compared that main body to an original, other differences might appear. 68/390 ho carb is very unique. I will check out your other pictures. But that is the nastiest stamp job I have ever seen.

Dang.

dual quad 59

[QUOTE=tfringo;1599191375]Thank you for your input. I appreciate the help. I am sure you are right if I had one next to it.

AJC 69 BB

Any more info on the seller did he get back to you?
I know he’s a member here cause I know the carb. Nothing short of a full refund will be acceptable in this case. He pawned that off on an unsuspecting forum member knowing full well it’s a fake. I called him out on it myself last time it came up for sale saved my buddy from getting scammed by the NCRS judge !!

dual quad 59

Seems I have more info. I sent a ton of pics to reputable shops. The smooth milled surface compared the the rest of the casting is indicative of a re-stamp. Also, tfringo got me thinking, and indeed the casting number on this carb body is not correct for a 68 big block, leaving no doubt, it's a re-stamp.

dual quad 59

I have sent him a 2nd email, detailing more information to show it's fake, and asking for a refund. I hope the response will be positive and I can put this matter to bed.

avalonjohn

If that choke is missing or wrong, and the arm is wrong, that could also be a deal breaker. My understanding is the choke is 427-390 hp Corvette only, and 68 only. Pretty sure the arm is 68 only as well. Replacing those will be tough, and expensive.
Hope this all works out.

AJC 69 BB

I guess the seller isn’t going to come forward and acknowledge that he screwed Chris 😤 on this deal.
I believe he should man up and just give him a refund. I would think the (judge) wouldn’t want his name dragged thru the mud. If not I would post his name for all to see so they know they should proceed carefully with any deals from the seller!! 🤔

avalonjohn

OP,
Corvette Forum has a "transaction feedback". If you are getting no responses, or not ones that are satifactory, and this was a deal here, you may want to consider posting more details there. The reason I say that is at this point it appears you have done your homework, ( after receiving it) and I am realtively certain you feel this rare carb is a fake. I do as well, but I don't own it so what matters is what you think based on your research, which appears you have done.
I have 2 c3s. A 68 ( owned since 1985) that has all sorts of correct parts I found to make it "right" and a 69, that has all it's born with parts. In my mind, I love them both. I am not an active member of NCRS. In 35 years of ownership I have never had my 68 "judged". Just not my thing. Unfortunately, the "numbers" game can get hairy. The difference between 1 digit can make a $25 part into a $1000 part and there are plenty of people willing to exploit that. I own a few paperweights myself that I thought were real, only to be disappointed. They will remain paperweights because I learned they were not real and would never try to pass them off as such. Not worth it on many levels.
Try the transaction feedback section and move on to details of the transaction moving past your conclusion that it is not a real 209 carb and move into the details of the transaction. Ay the very least members can be informed. May be your best bet at getting a refund.

dual quad 59

I am hoping he will respond today to my last contact attempt yesterday, obviously I am trying to get a refund based on what I now know.

dual quad 59

The seller has agreed to take the carb back and issue a refund.

general ike

If he knew it was fake, which it appears he did and then sold it to you anyway I think you should still post his name. Members like that , none of us need!!!!! Ike