pics of the 1976 John Greenwood GT
#2
the second pic is of a brass plaque on the center console below the shifter and in front of the E-brake...reads "Greenwood GT"
p.s. please ignore the little white dog in the background of the pics...neighbor's little rat that doesn't have a mute button...if interested in the dog, i'm sure we can arrange something....
p.s. please ignore the little white dog in the background of the pics...neighbor's little rat that doesn't have a mute button...if interested in the dog, i'm sure we can arrange something....
#4
Melting Slicks
Might want to take a look at these pictures.
http://www.thelingenfeltercollection...t-c3-corvette/ , and here http://www.greenwoodcorvettes.com/GalleryGT.html
Sorry, but my guess is sometime in the past (distant past looking at the replacement data plate), someone installed an aftermarket Greenwood kit.
Some of the things that make me think it might be a kit, are, first, the missing badging, and 'Greenwood GT' wheels. Next, the louver's on the front fender, they look different. And the alarm switch is missing, makes sense if the panel was replaced. Also, the rear louver's look completely different than any GT picture I could find, but they do look very much like c-523 here http://www.greenwoodcorvettes.com/Ot...EcklerCat1.jpg They appear to have covers over them, how are they attached? Any chance that you can remove the covers, or see through them? And why a cover? Why not just build it into the mold?
Overall it looks to me that someone has customized your car in the past with aftermarket replacement panels. And they did a pretty good job if you ask me.
http://www.thelingenfeltercollection...t-c3-corvette/ , and here http://www.greenwoodcorvettes.com/GalleryGT.html
Sorry, but my guess is sometime in the past (distant past looking at the replacement data plate), someone installed an aftermarket Greenwood kit.
Some of the things that make me think it might be a kit, are, first, the missing badging, and 'Greenwood GT' wheels. Next, the louver's on the front fender, they look different. And the alarm switch is missing, makes sense if the panel was replaced. Also, the rear louver's look completely different than any GT picture I could find, but they do look very much like c-523 here http://www.greenwoodcorvettes.com/Ot...EcklerCat1.jpg They appear to have covers over them, how are they attached? Any chance that you can remove the covers, or see through them? And why a cover? Why not just build it into the mold?
Overall it looks to me that someone has customized your car in the past with aftermarket replacement panels. And they did a pretty good job if you ask me.
Last edited by Mashman; 01-10-2013 at 01:29 PM.
#5
#7
i understand the reasons why you are leaning more towards the after-market kit car, but upon close inspection on the pillar posts, I can clearly see where an emblem was once mounted on each side... I will try to take pics close up of those areas in question tomorrow...over time emblems may become lost or removed by previous owners. It also has the Greenwood rear suspension including upper/lower control arms w/ koni coil overs, box frame...the exact same suspension John Greenwood used on his Sebring GT built sheet...the vehicle also has no VIN #, but currently has 12,000 miles on the odometer...was originially found in Michigan in 1999 in storage, then bought by a man in TN whom we acquired the vehicle from in 2011...
#8
i've noticed the difference in the rear vent design as well, but keep in mind, this car does not have the roll cage associated with a vehicle that was run on a race track...i'm thinking it was a street model that either never got finished or released or one that was made for a customer with those exact specification requests...
#9
Race Director
That car doesn't appear to be a real Greenwood GT to me.
First off, your car has the front bumper molded into the nose. The Greenwood cars utilized the factory urethane flexible bumper, while that one is obviously a fiberglass replacement.
Your car also has a fiberglass rear bumper, with the fuel filler located in the center of it. Like they did at the front of the car, Greenwood utilized the stock urethane rear bumper too. I'm pretty sure that they had to keep the impact bumpers operative, to avoid problems with Federal law. Your rear bumper looks like the one that Ecklers sold for use with their fastback rear window conversion, since the fastback window extended beyond where the factory fuel filler was located. The Greenwood cars used the stock fuel filler, as there was no reason to move it into the bumper.
Your car has the side marker lights filled in. The Greenwood GT's all had functioning side markers. Since they were selling the GT's as new cars, they needed to conform to all Federal laws, so like with the impact absorbing bumpers, the cars needed to meet all existing Federal lighting standards too.
The "pontoon" fender flairs on your car, end part way down the fender, while the Greenwood flairs ended at the door line. Also, the shape of the rear flairs, where they blend into the doors, appears slightly different too.
The back end of your rear flairs, appear wider than the ones used on the Greenwood GT, and also appear to be shaped differently. Greenwood's pontoon flairs were not overly wide, as they were selling the cars for daily use. There were wider flairs available for for racing, and street use if you wanted them. Ecklers, Greenwood and others, sold the wider width flairs. When looking at the rear of the car, the Greenwood flairs tapper as they flow out from the body, at both the top and the bottom. The back edge of your flairs continue straight across from the rear deck, and the bottom of the bumper.
I would guess that your car is one of the many Corvettes, that has had a wide body kit added to it over the years. Sorry.
First off, your car has the front bumper molded into the nose. The Greenwood cars utilized the factory urethane flexible bumper, while that one is obviously a fiberglass replacement.
Your car also has a fiberglass rear bumper, with the fuel filler located in the center of it. Like they did at the front of the car, Greenwood utilized the stock urethane rear bumper too. I'm pretty sure that they had to keep the impact bumpers operative, to avoid problems with Federal law. Your rear bumper looks like the one that Ecklers sold for use with their fastback rear window conversion, since the fastback window extended beyond where the factory fuel filler was located. The Greenwood cars used the stock fuel filler, as there was no reason to move it into the bumper.
Your car has the side marker lights filled in. The Greenwood GT's all had functioning side markers. Since they were selling the GT's as new cars, they needed to conform to all Federal laws, so like with the impact absorbing bumpers, the cars needed to meet all existing Federal lighting standards too.
The "pontoon" fender flairs on your car, end part way down the fender, while the Greenwood flairs ended at the door line. Also, the shape of the rear flairs, where they blend into the doors, appears slightly different too.
The back end of your rear flairs, appear wider than the ones used on the Greenwood GT, and also appear to be shaped differently. Greenwood's pontoon flairs were not overly wide, as they were selling the cars for daily use. There were wider flairs available for for racing, and street use if you wanted them. Ecklers, Greenwood and others, sold the wider width flairs. When looking at the rear of the car, the Greenwood flairs tapper as they flow out from the body, at both the top and the bottom. The back edge of your flairs continue straight across from the rear deck, and the bottom of the bumper.
I would guess that your car is one of the many Corvettes, that has had a wide body kit added to it over the years. Sorry.
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Your car also has a fiberglass rear bumper, with the fuel filler located in the center of it. Like they did at the front of the car, Greenwood utilized the stock urethane rear bumper too. I'm pretty sure that they had to keep the impact bumpers operative, to avoid problems with Federal law. Your rear bumper looks like the one that Ecklers sold for use with their fastback rear window conversion, since the fastback window extended beyond where the factory fuel filler was located. The Greenwood cars used the stock fuel filler, as there was no reason to move it into the bumper.
That says it all! The car would not meet Fed Reg with that custom gas cap. Don't try to resell it as a Greenwood car you could end up in a lawsuit
That says it all! The car would not meet Fed Reg with that custom gas cap. Don't try to resell it as a Greenwood car you could end up in a lawsuit
#15
Race Director
I'm a big fan of the Greenwood cars especially the GT but.............I have to agree with everything gbvette62 said. That's not to say I don't like your car. I just see to many different body lines and shapes for it to conform to a Corvette that came from a Greenwood conversion.
#16
we weren't planning on selling the car, we were just wanting to try and trace the history of it since there is not a VIN # to go by, that why we posted the pics to see if anyone had any information on it, not accuse us of fraud or false advertising...
#17
also about the gas cap, on the rear deck is a ring where the original gas lid used to be, but was filled in at one point in time...please refer to the part i mentioned earlier in the thread about how emblems can be lost over long periods of time in storage prior to our purchase or about how it may have been used for street purpose versus race tracks...it's the original gas lid for the vehicle, it's just been re-located at one point in time to it's current location...
#18
can we possibly think outside of the box for a moment and ponder the prospect that this could have been a proto-type or new design concept for Greenwood? The rear end is common for something Greenwood would do as well...
here is a pic of the suspension from the Greenwood corvette site...my car has the same exact set up...therefore, could this have been a proto-type or new concept car for Greenwood since it has his signature suspension system?
here is a pic of the suspension from the Greenwood corvette site...my car has the same exact set up...therefore, could this have been a proto-type or new concept car for Greenwood since it has his signature suspension system?
#19
Safety Car
First, I think your car is badass....and welcome to the widebody brotherhood. Greenwood did make two cars w/o badges. Over time your car could have been modded. Do you have the roller bearing idler arm? Where are you located?
Last edited by parkerracing; 01-10-2013 at 09:38 PM.
#20
this pic is of a blue GT from the John Greenwood site
notice how the stiock bumper remains intact while the side flares square up with the edge of the deck...my car has the same basic features, just much wider flares on the sides...
notice how the stiock bumper remains intact while the side flares square up with the edge of the deck...my car has the same basic features, just much wider flares on the sides...