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'Survivor' judging means just that- a car survived untouched and unmolested in orignal but maybe deteriorated condtion. Fixing/restoring/swapping parts sort of defeats the purpose.
If the original cap was lost somewhere along the way, so be it. It didn't survive.
'Survivor' judging means just that- a car survived untouched and unmolested in orignal but maybe deteriorated condtion. Fixing/restoring/swapping parts sort of defeats the purpose.
If the original cap was lost somewhere along the way, so be it. It didn't survive.
Makes sense to me... including the purpose and defeating part.
So let me get this straight.. If you find a wonderful old "fuelie" like mine and the rad. cap is not functional or the tires are worn, or the belts are needing replaced, you should not replace them. Did you create the definition of a "survivor" ?
I have had wonderful old Corvettes judged as "survivors" by very knowledgeable judges at Bloomington. According to your standards, there is not a true "survivor in existence".
Once you change a filter, wiper blade, brake pad, rad. cap etc., you no longer have a "survivor" Do some research before you make such a ridiculous statement about survivor"
Location: about an hour away from Paul74 in Ontariariario
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Originally Posted by moonframer
So let me get this straight.. If you find a wonderful old "fuelie" like mine and the rad. cap is not functional or the tires are worn, or the belts are needing replaced, you should not replace them. Did you create the definition of a "survivor" ?
I have had wonderful old Corvettes judged as "survivors" by very knowledgeable judges at Bloomington. According to your standards, there is not a true "survivor in existence".
Once you change a filter, wiper blade, brake pad, rad. cap etc., you no longer have a "survivor" Do some research before you make such a ridiculous statement about survivor"
So present it with the cap that's on it now or a current service replacement if it's defective rather than trying to fool the judges with an old cap from somebody else's car. Putting a service replacement cap, tires, filters or belts is honest, expected and is obviously not an attempt to fool anybody or hide anything. Cars are original only once.
The point of Survivor Judging or NCRS Bowtie is to present preserved, original cars the way they came from the factory not a possibly skewed vision of what somebody today thinks they once were.
Bloomington Gold "Survivor" judging isn't particularly difficult - each of the four areas only needs to be 50% original, and you can fail one area completely with no penalty; only three of the four areas need to pass.
Bloomington Gold "Survivor" judging isn't particularly difficult - each of the four areas only needs to be 50% original, and you can fail one area completely with no penalty; only three of the four areas need to pass.
[edit: starting new thread, as to not hijack this one]
Is there any difference between:
Survivor
Bowie
Restored using used OEM parts that are correct
Thanks
Last edited by ifitgoesfast; 02-09-2013 at 08:32 PM.
[edit: starting new thread, as to not high jack this one]
Is there any difference between:
Survivor
Bowie
Restored using used OEM parts that are correct
Thanks
"Survivor" is a Bloomington Gold-copyrighted term for their judging process for unrestored Corvettes.
"Bowtie" is an NCRS-copyrighted term for their much more rigorous Star/Bowtie judging process for unrestored Corvettes.
Restored Corvettes whose focus is the appearance of originality are judged in NCRS in the Flight Judging process, and at Bloomington Gold in the Gold Certification process.
Location: about an hour away from Paul74 in Ontariariario
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Originally Posted by ifitgoesfast
Is there any difference between:
Survivor
Bowie
Restored using used OEM parts that are correct
Thanks
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Originally Posted by JohnZ
"Survivor" is a Bloomington Gold-copyrighted term for their judging process for unrestored Corvettes.
"Bowtie" is an NCRS-copyrighted term for their much more rigorous Star/Bowtie judging process for unrestored Corvettes.
Restored Corvettes whose focus is the appearance of originality are judged in NCRS in the Flight Judging process, and at Bloomington Gold in the Gold Certification process.
As John says, except that 'Bowie' might refer to David Bowie. Not sure he's into Corvette Judging.
Sorry, just had to.
Obviously this type of stuff irks me. Trying to fool the judges serves little purpose, it's the owner that's fooling himself in the end or possibly screwing a buyer.
I was aware of a situation where the owner of a true-blue original FI car was looking to get a Bowtie award. In preparation and to assure his chances, he removed the FI unit and shipped it off to a restorer to have him make the unit look more original and aged and remove the traces of normal maintenance that had occurred over the decades.
I hate to spoil your little fairy tale Mikey. Unless a Corvette left the St. Louis plant and was NEVER serviced in any way ( like a rad. cap being changed 40 years ago at a service station with an aftermarket type) there are maybe a couple of cars that have survived time with NO replacement parts....Most cars that are awarded the prestigious Bowtie award have some replacement parts (maybe early on by a Chevrolet dealer or recently by the current owner) and the owners are not trying to fool anyone. Replacing a part like a rad. cap (with a correct factory original) IS PRESERVING not RESTORING.
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