MotorHead

Donlt know if this is of any interest to anyone but thought I'd post it, no reserve, clean std '66 427 block ( at least that's what it says) :D
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ayphotohosting

Plowboy

I'm not coming up with a JR suffix for a 66 corvette block. My data shows all '66 big blocks have an I.. suffix. No J. Will gladly stand corrected if I'm missing something.
:cheers:
PB

MotorHead

Imagine that BS on ebay who'd have thought :lol:

I didn't know if it was any good but the price was pretty good

Cmacsvette

I agree with Plowboy, I think we should be seeing is a IL, a IP or a IM,
they lost me on the vin #, I haven't seen any 66 vettes with a 6L1.....let alone 48k of them :skep:
I'm guessing, a pass. car, or a NJ cab. ;)


[Modified by Cmacsvette, 8:59 AM 10/19/2003]

Plowboy

Yep, it's a buyer beware world out there. I checked out a SWC E-Bay car a couple years ago. Turned out that he'd done a pretty good job representing the car in his description.
I wonder how many people buy these cars and high dollar parts without seeing them before the bid closes? Can you undo an E-Bay deal if you're getting the shaft? And, just who decides who the shafter and the shaftee really are?
Seems like there's a bunch of ways for things to go wrong.
PB

olredalert

------You know,its funny.Even though this fellow has made some incorrect statements,the block is still a 942.It has a good date for many applications as well.If the block is standard and mags and pressure tests OK Id buy it in a cast-iron second!!!!!!It could be converted to 4-bolt main without any problem as well.
------The only problem is,do you trust him on any other statement he makes without checking for yourself or not!................Bill S

JohnZ

It was originally a 427/390 automatic out of a '66 Impala or Caprice built in Van Nuys, California; bad re-stamp. "IJ" is the passenger car 427/390 suffix, but the "R" at the end only went on the P-O-P to denote a Rochester carb; was never stamped on the engine itself. Probably a good block, though. :thumbs:

Ironcross

Not correct for a 1966 Vette HP block, would need 4 bolt mains and a "IP" desigination :cheers:

Cmacsvette

Someone must of got to the owner of this block and explained the definition of the "real thing" :smash: So anyway, he came back and told viewers to decide what they believe and bid accordingly...............thats OK though, at least he came forth. :yesnod: The block is up to $1500 now.

Craig :)

396 RAT

WTF! :eek:
$1500.00+ FOR A 2 BOLT BARE BLOCK?
:lurk:

Nick D.

Doesn't matter what's stamped on the pad, just surface it and re-stamp whatever you want, instant "numbers matching" engine, suitable for judging.

Nick

Biggus Blockus

Casting number is correct for 66 427. It being a 2 bolt main block it may be correct for the 390 HP 427 with the suffix code of IR - which could easily be mis-read as JR on the block. (OK - Except for the fact I just saw the pictures and there is no way that this is not a JR - looks pretty clear in the pictures!)

Obviously this is not a Corvette block.

I think the lower hp Big Blocks were 2 bolt mains, the soild lifter BBs (like my 65 396/425) were 4 bolt mains.

Hard to know - best to be skeptical until proven wrong! :yesnod:


[Modified by NuckingFuts, 5:55 PM 10/21/2003]

MotorHead

Does a '66 Impala block go for $2800 around here ?If so I am going to the dig around the junk yards :lol:

Looks like the block went for $2800 and a couple of Vette owners were bidding on it. I wonder if they were going to restamp it or possibly they didn't read the extra note they guy put up after he was busted. :D

396 RAT

"Doesn't matter what's stamped on the pad, just surface it and re-stamp whatever you want, instant "numbers matching" engine, suitable for judging"

This is what made the hobby a joke.
Agree or not. It Did. :jester

olredalert

---------A 942 block is a 942 block.I dont care what is stamped on it or what car it came out of.A 942 block out of an Impala is exactly the same as one out of a Corvette.Since it wouldnt be the original block for any car but "1" ,and has to be stamped correctly for whatever car it is going in what does the original application matter?I dont think there was any attempt to de-fraud anyone by the seller.He just had some bad information.Maybe this block is headed for a Corvette,but it just as easily could have gone to a big body guy.Have you seen the values of original 427-425 passenger cars lately?If I had a steel car with paper showing it was a 427-425 you better believe I would have paid the figure.It would be worth it!The guy with this block knew who his core audience would be,and leaned in that direction.
--------Yes,theres some funny stuff happening on E-bay almost all the time,but in this case I really think you owe the seller an apology.He did somebody out there some good as witnessed by the fact that the block SOLD!...........Bill S

396 RAT

$2800.00 for a 2 bolt bare block.
Never thought the day would come.
But with today's restamping, why not?
Will add 10k+ to a car. An "all original" car don't you know. :lol:
Sorry, I just don't agree.

magicv8

"WTF!
$1500.00+ FOR A 2 BOLT BARE BLOCK?" - sorry - I wouldnt take less than 4k for mine - but it's stamped IL (390hp) and has Corvette VIN 6117421 stamped on it - and is standard bore (.006 wear)

olredalert

------So 396 RAT,I take it from your post that if you puke the motor in your 65(and I sincerly hope that never happens,as I love your car)you will go get any old big block for cheap money,rather than do a search and spend the money for a 962 block with a good date.I think not.
------Also,during your search for a correct 962 dated block,when you turn up a 962 correct dated block with two-bolt mains you will turn it down rather than convert it to a 4-bolt main block.All these blocks came out of the foundry the same and were then machined to be either 2 or 4 bolt by the factory.I see no bad side to converting a 2-bolt to a 4-bolt if it is done correctly.Personally,in my search I would rather find a 2-bolt main block as the chances are that it may have led a less severe life,and is a better candidate for rebuilding.
------As far as selling cars for profit by hiding their duplicate motor history,I am IN NO WAY in favor of this fraudulent practice.I know its not always done but I believe in passing along all history on a given car,good or bad,warts and all!Its part of the cars history,isnt it?Maybe,potential buyers should sign some kind of disclaimer stating that they know about a duplicate engine at the time of purchase.At least this would be good from a litigeous angle.The new buyer would be less apt to turn around and claim it to be original if there was paper out there signed by him that said the opposite.How does that hit you?............Bill S


[Modified by olredalert, 8:57 AM 10/27/2003]

ctjackster

What I think Rat would do (since this is what I would too, and I understand his point completely) is yes, he might search out a proper block, might even get one with the correct cast date on it if not too much trouble, but he would not, under any circumstance, RESTAMP the block, even if done in the name of getting the car past NCRS judges. Currently, blocks with a stamp that matches the car = big premium in selling price of vehicle; restamping blocks = deception in the eyes of anyone outside of the NCRS judging world (hey that's fine for that little community and certainly no offense meant, but the restamping thing, even if done appropriately for the purposes of that world of making things look like factory, "leaks" out to the larger community of vette owners and buyers).

When is the last time anyone saw an ad for a mid-year that said (honestly): "matching number (restoration) block"?? I only saw that once, and then it was because the cast date was a bit late so the seller owned up to it in the ad (that was CnV in AZ, kudos to them). All these cars with restamped blocks get sold eventually, and that's where the financial deception takes place, or if not there then the next time the car is sold and the "real" story of the engine being restamped for NCRS judging purposes gets lost. Or maybe the engine simply gets restamped by an unscrupulous seller who has no intention of particpating in NCRS matters.
:rant:

but that's just what I THINK Rat might say ;) maybe we should hear it from him.

No offense meant to anyone holding a different view, of course. And I am an NCRS member, have been for nearly 7 years, but don't have my 65 judged (fraidey-cat!)

JohnZ

There's another 427 bare block on eBay (didn't save the number last night) that was hotly-contested (over 20 bids so far) and had passed $5,000.00; good 427 blocks are a hot item, regardless what they came out of. :steering: