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Old 01-17-2024, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TAlvarez
I'm no expert on these cars, but concerning the sellers list of RPO's that the car came with, it's my understanding that no 1963 cars were delivered with the knock off wheels. That along with other incorrect items that others here have pointed out, reinforces the sentiments about not taking a sellers word for much of anything. As everyone here has said, have it inspected by a professional.

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There does seem to be a theme with the RPO with everyone’s respected opinion, so I will be reaching out to some experts in the area to get some more insight and knowledge.

appreciate it and all these reply’s have been a huge help!
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Originally Posted by vettebuyer6369
If you love the car and the price is right and want to remove PS and the AC, I wouldnt move on to another car over it.

Id be more concerned with the seller acting like that 340 horse is original while having a lower hp tach in place as well as claiming back up lamps and leather seats which didnt happen with black. Look very carefully at the trim tag, engine stamp and VIN plate. Are there pictures of these 3 items available?

Its possible the backup lamps were lost during restoration, but some restorations, particularly in 1986, could have done some damage to the car in actuality.

Just thinking that if the intent is to go back to stock don’t start with an altered car. Additionally the low horse tach tells you the description of the car isn’t accurate.

If it were me and I really wanted a 63 coupe again I wouldn’t pass, presuming the car runs and drives well and the birdcage is solid. I don’t care to ever have another midyear so just offering advice as an observer.
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Originally Posted by BADBIRDCAGE
Just thinking that if the intent is to go back to stock don’t start with an altered car. Additionally the low horse tach tells you the description of the car isn’t accurate.

If it were me and I really wanted a 63 coupe again I wouldn’t pass, presuming the car runs and drives well and the birdcage is solid. I don’t care to ever have another midyear so just offering advice as an observer.

Yup understood, the owner of the vehicle said he does drive it often hence the power steering and AC installation, which I don’t mind just curious if it is reversible. Does seem to be a “driver” 63’ I just want to make sure I am purchasing a genuine 340hp split window w/ matching numbers which is the primarily concern. With respect to the other items others have mentioned about the RPO’s

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No known 63s delivered with knockoffs!
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The 1963 frame body mounts are rigid and don't use the rubber cushions shown in your pictures. You can look at the ride stance and see the body sits slightly higher than it should.

Get some eyes on it, so you know exactly what you are thinking about buying.
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Another concern is the classic car market seems to be in decline, like we recently had a market peak, similar to housing. I see a lot of people asking top dollar, but not selling & you may do well to wait until the classic car market stops dropping, then jump in & buy as nice an example as you can. You might get a much nicer car 6 months or a year from now for the same money.

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Originally Posted by Rob_64-365
Another concern is the classic car market seems to be in decline, like we recently had a market peak, similar to housing. I see a lot of people asking top dollar, but not selling & you may do well to wait until the classic car market stops dropping, then jump in & buy as nice an example as you can. You might get a much nicer car 6 months or a year from now for the same money.

in your opinion what are you seeing the average 350hp split window is going for in Sebring Silver. I’ve seen from 165k-225k with NCRS docs. ?

Form what I’ve seen these cars are only going up, but I may be Tunnel visioned.

thanks for the info and help!

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Originally Posted by Veltis
in your opinion what are you seeing the average 350hp split window is going for in Sebring Silver. I’ve seen from 165k-225k with NCRS docs. ?

Form what I’ve seen these cars are only going up, but I may be Tunnel visioned.

thanks for the info and help!
Too many variables on value (condition, options, correct factory numbers, F/I, etc. I have a high #2 condition Silver 300hp/4spd, P/S. P/B new paint, chrome, interior, drive-train, that I value at 175K. begee22




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Originally Posted by begee22
Too many variables on value (condition, options, correct factory numbers, F/I, etc. I have a high #2 condition Silver 300hp/4spd, P/S. P/B new paint, chrome, interior, drive-train, that I value at 175K. begee22




Amazing car! That totally makes sense and what I expected from these types of cars. Each option etc. counts towards the value. I’m mostly looking for a driver numbers matching and good condition. Hopefully with a 340hp motor.
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Correct and unmolested wheels and caps for a '63 are probably an additional $1500 or so over the price of the repro knock-offs. Lots and lots of 63 only parts on these cars which are big $$$ to replace.
Remember, there's a "Corvette tax", but there's also a "63 tax" on top of that when it comes to 63 Corvettes.
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I have to question the sellers misrepresentation of the car.
The description does not match the car.
That leaves me with MY conclusion that either he is not very knowledgeable about the car (and 63's in general ) .
Or he is looking for someone to buy it on emotion and not knowledge.
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Originally Posted by silver837
I have to question the sellers misrepresentation of the car.
The description does not match the car.
That leaves me with MY conclusion that either he is not very knowledgeable about the car (and 63's in general ) .
Or he is looking for someone to buy it on emotion and not knowledge.
Totally, he has no issue sending me documents and more pictures of the car. Which also may mean that he put full trust into the restorer without much knowledge and went off that.


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Originally Posted by vettebuyer6369
If you love the car and the price is right and want to remove PS and the AC, I wouldnt move on to another car over it.

Id be more concerned with the seller acting like that 340 horse is original while having a lower hp tach in place as well as claiming back up lamps and leather seats which didnt happen with black. Look very carefully at the trim tag, engine stamp and VIN plate. Are there pictures of these 3 items available?

Its possible the backup lamps were lost during restoration, but some restorations, particularly in 1986, could have done some damage to the car in actuality.

referencing back to this reply. Owner sent me more picture that may or may not help. Still getting experts to look into it. Still waiting on documentation as well.






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That's why we are advising a competent inspector or that you move on to another car.
Additional context. SHP cars (340 /360 HP engines ) have a idler pulley in the same location as a power steering pump.
Also they have the larger oil pan . That pan prevents the installation of the power steering ram or the steering stabilizer.
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Originally Posted by silver837
That's why we are advising a competent inspector or that you move on to another car.
Additional context. SHP cars (340 /360 HP engines ) have a idler pulley in the same location as a power steering pump.
Also they have the larger oil pan . That pan prevents the installation of the power steering ram or the steering stabilizer.
Yup, I am currently in contact with a few. I thought I would provide more information for future buyers to reference back to this discussion.

thanks for help!
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Ask for pics of the oil pan and windage tray.
I don't think the water pump is correct either.
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The water pump is incorrect.
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Originally Posted by Rob_64-365
Another concern is the classic car market seems to be in decline, like we recently had a market peak, similar to housing. I see a lot of people asking top dollar, but not selling & you may do well to wait until the classic car market stops dropping, then jump in & buy as nice an example as you can. You might get a much nicer car 6 months or a year from now for the same money.
Collector car market is sliding, but 63 Coupes are holding very strong. Last week's Mecum results support that. Also, the gulf between documented original-engine cars versus the "numbers matching" restamps is wider than ever. I estimate the value difference between a 340 or FI car that is proven original engine and one with a correct engine is ~30% right now.
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Found out the vette’s original VIN Tag is gone. So I’m going to be staying away from this one. I’ll keep everyone updated if I find another potential purchase down the road.

thanks for everyone helping out.
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