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Old 03-27-2021, 08:24 PM
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My buddy just bought a 65 in black primer.....very scary! First thing I'd do is strip it down to the bare glass and see what's what. Why waste $10Kish to find out later you have to do the body all over again.
There should be an xray, ultra sonic, what ever new fangled tech gadget that's out there, for checking what's under paint etc. Anyone know of one?
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Originally Posted by CorvetteMikeB


What can cause this fine line crack above the tire front fender?

Can this happen with P205/75/15 tires?
Stress cracks like that aren't neccesarily due to impact. They could be caused by old body work, aging bonding strips, lots of reasons, plus you don't know if he had wider wheels and tires on it before, Don't worry about the cause.....worry about the cost and time to fix it!
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Originally Posted by Kerrmudgeon
Stress cracks like that aren't neccesarily due to impact. They could be caused by old body work, aging bonding strips, lots of reasons, plus you don't know if he had wider wheels and tires on it before, Don't worry about the cause.....worry about the cost and time to fix it!

What would you expect to pay to fix this at a private corvette body shop? Me personally, I would take my corvette to the local Chevy Dealerships to repair my corvette.

Private corvette shops are a "Rip Off"






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That there my friend, is going to get “UGLY” if you decide to dig it out and do it right.
Looks like a signature job by Bubba and his assistant Backyard Bob.
Start of project “creep”
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Originally Posted by 67VetteGal
Hello! I'm in the process of searching for a 1967 Corvette. I thought I found 'the one', but today the place
sent me these pictures (almost as an after thought). Are these cracks/scratches a deal-breaker? I
was going to send someone to look at the car (since it's in Canada and we're in New York), but now I'm
not sure I should. Would this take a lot of bodywork? I just want a 'driver' '67 (not a show car), but I also
don't want a money-pit. I'd appreciate any advice. Thanks!



That is not a "natural" place for the body to crack. No body panels join abut there; there is no vertical bonding strip there. That is a sure sign of a partial front end replacement done in the Old Days. I once had a 67 that cracked exactly there for the same reason. I would not buy such a car; even if you spend several thousand bucks to repair and repaint, there is a good chance it will reappear in the future.
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Originally Posted by CorvetteMikeB
What would you expect to pay to fix this at a private corvette body shop? Me personally, I would take my corvette to the local Chevy Dealerships to repair my corvette.

Private corvette shops are a "Rip Off"
I wouldn't bring my Old Corvette to a Chevy Dealer for an air freshener, let alone body work.
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A modern day Chevy dealer will have two attitudes towards your vintage Corvette:

1) Get that thing outta here, or, even worse
2) Yeah man, bring it in and we'll figure out how to work on it.

Neither is good.

I've seen well done wheel arch repairs that were undetectable except for a subtle difference in blended paint that you had to work at to see, but, usually there is bodywork "print through" over time that gets worse and worse... I judged a 63 split window black/red fuelie that was a dream car except if you got down on your knees and sighted across the fender you could see the wheel arch front end repair, on both sides - too bad.

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Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink
A modern day Chevy dealer will have two attitudes towards your vintage Corvette:

1) Get that thing outta here, or, even worse
2) Yeah man, bring it in and we'll figure out how to work on it.

Neither is good.

I've seen well done wheel arch repairs that were undetectable except for a subtle difference in blended paint that you had to work at to see, but, usually there is bodywork "print through" over time that gets worse and worse... I judged a 63 split window black/red fuelie that was a dream car except if you got down on your knees and sighted across the fender you could see the wheel arch front end repair, on both sides - too bad.

Last Summer, my friend's 2018 Corvette had insurance work done at our local Chevy Car Dealership. He had the front end and hood replaced. Damage to the right & left fenders were repaired. You would never believe it was in an accident. Looked like a show car again. He was very pleased and had no complaints.
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Big difference between a 2018 and a midyear.
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Originally Posted by silver837
Big difference between a 2018 and a midyear.
Yea! $11,000 paint job at a Chevy Car Dealership vs. $30,000 paint job at a private Corvette Restoration Shop.






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I was refuting to the difference in the materials and paint technology and familiarity of the glass structures used.
Lower price doesn't equate to correct work and quality.
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Originally Posted by CorvetteMikeB
Last Summer, my friend's 2018 Corvette had insurance work done at our local Chevy Car Dealership. He had the front end and hood replaced. Damage to the right & left fenders were repaired. You would never believe it was in an accident. Looked like a show car again. He was very pleased and had no complaints.
Comparing apples and pomegranates.
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Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink
Comparing apples and pomegranates.

Please explain your reasoning in detail. I need to know the difference.
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Originally Posted by CorvetteMikeB
Please explain your reasoning in detail. I need to know the difference.
new ones from 1997 on the panels are held on by screws. no glue required. you can simply unbolt the front clip of paint each panel separate. then put back together your not doing that on a mid year
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Both the body panel material and paint chemistry are completely different.
Todays paints are waterborne. Older paints were lacer with high VOC thinners.
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Originally Posted by silver837
Both the body panel material and paint chemistry are completely different.
Todays paints are waterborne. Older paints were lacer with high VOC thinners.

My understanding is that the new corvettes are carbon fiber??? Is this correct? But isn't carbon fiber also fiberglass based???
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My wife’s C6 and my ‘67 both needed front fender repairs. We took her car to the Chevy dealer paint and body department and they did an outstanding job. We were very happy with the results

When my ‘67 needed it’s front fender repaired, I showed it to the Chevy body shop manager. He called a couple of his guys over to look at it and they all decided it wasn’t something they could do.

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Originally Posted by CorvetteMikeB
My understanding is that the new corvettes are carbon fiber??? Is this correct? But isn't carbon fiber also fiberglass based???
fibberglas has not been used in Corvettes since the mid 70’s. They changed over to SMC which is sort of like fiberglass but is more or less plastic
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Originally Posted by Nowhere Man
fibberglas has not been used in Corvettes since the mid 70’s. They changed over to SMC which is sort of like fiberglass but is more or less plastic

Is this what they used in the Pontiac Ferro in the 1980's?
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Originally Posted by CorvetteMikeB
Is this what they used in the Pontiac Ferro in the 1980's?
I have no clue but I would think so



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