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Old 03-26-2018, 09:43 AM
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Hello,
While installing a new fan belt on my 66 327 L79 I noticed the alternator pulley and fan are notched for a keyway. The shaft on my date matching alternator is not machined to accept the same?
What is going on here and how do I correct this??
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To me it sounds like the alternator on your car is a generic one from some parts place. What is the part number? The "date matching" one you refer to sounds like a correct replacement that the pulley and fan bolt onto the shaft. What is it's part number? Dennis
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Originally Posted by Bluestripe67
To me it sounds like the alternator on your car is a generic one from some parts place. What is the part number? The "date matching" one you refer to sounds like a correct replacement that the pulley and fan bolt onto the shaft. What is it's part number? Dennis
It's Part number 1100693 37A...date is 6D all are dead on for my June build car.
See why the confusion on my end.
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Originally Posted by Bluestripe67
To me it sounds like the alternator on your car is a generic one from some parts place....

Is it possible it was at some point sent out to be rebuilt & had a new rotor installed?


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Is it possible it was at some point sent out to be rebuilt & had a new rotor installed?


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That's very possible. I've had the car since 1976 but the alternator has always charged great. Looks like I need to locate a proper rotor with the shaft machined for a keyway.
Any leads on where this item might be obtained?

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by tominohio
That's very possible. I've had the car since 1976 but the alternator has always charged great. Looks like I need to locate a proper rotor with the shaft machined for a keyway.
Any leads on where this item might be obtained?

Thanks.

I find the rebuilders have access to parts that us end-users cannot always locate. Go talk to the electric rebuilders in your area, all you need is a 10DN rotor, should be easy enough to source.


The 10DN's were good, but they were not 150,000 mile propositions as many are today (I have 230,000 miles on a Bosch in an 18 year old Benz). Its likely it was repaired before you got it.


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Originally Posted by dplotkin
I find the rebuilders have access to parts that us end-users cannot always locate. Go talk to the electric rebuilders in your area, all you need is a 10DN rotor, should be easy enough to source.


The 10DN's were good, but they were not 150,000 mile propositions as many are today (I have 230,000 miles on a Bosch in an 18 year old Benz). Its likely it was repaired before you got it.


Dan
Thanks Dennis, I'll start looking for 10DN rotor with the machined shaft for the keyway. I have 2003 F-150 with 206,000 and it's still running the original alternator also.
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Originally Posted by tominohio
Hello,
While installing a new fan belt on my 66 327 L79 I noticed the alternator pulley and fan are notched for a keyway. The shaft on my date matching alternator is not machined to accept the same?
What is going on here and how do I correct this??
No keyway.
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Originally Posted by tominohio
Hello,
While installing a new fan belt on my 66 327 L79 I noticed the alternator pulley and fan are notched for a keyway. The shaft on my date matching alternator is not machined to accept the same?
What is going on here and how do I correct this??
I believe your issue is with the pulley and fan that you currently have...if I'm reading correctly. The alternator is possibly original to the car but the '66 alternator shaft didn't have a groove for a key way and the original pulley and fan didn't either.
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Originally Posted by leif.anderson93
I believe your issue is with the pulley and fan that you currently have...if I'm reading correctly. The alternator is possibly original to the car but the '66 alternator shaft didn't have a groove for a key way and the original pulley and fan didn't either.
That be what I'm thinking too!
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Originally Posted by leif.anderson93
I believe your issue is with the pulley and fan that you currently have...if I'm reading correctly. The alternator is possibly original to the car but the '66 alternator shaft didn't have a groove for a key way and the original pulley and fan didn't either.
It's a 327-350 L79 and has the deep grove alt. Pulley 3829387 which is set up for the keyway....so is the fan.
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You need to talk to an expert.
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Originally Posted by MikeM
You need to talk to an expert.
OK....I'll bite. Who would that be.
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While you're waiting, I'll stick with posts #'s 7, 8, and 9.
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most GM alternators get rebuilt because the back bearing goes out because it is too small

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Originally Posted by MikeM
While you're waiting, I'll stick with posts #'s 7, 8, and 9.
Then why is the pulley and fan notched on the L79? What is the point? GM must have felt they wanted to waste a machining process...Not likely.
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Originally Posted by tominohio
Then why is the pulley and fan notched on the L79? What is the point? GM must have felt they wanted to waste a machining process...Not likely.
I believe it was spelled out for you in post #9. Did you read it?

Sometimes a replacement part(s) are changed to accommodate other usages than the original design was intended but still carry the original part number.

Before you tear up a perfectly functional alternator, I'd wait on an expert to advise you. I'm certainly not one of them.

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Originally Posted by tominohio
It's a 327-350 L79 and has the deep grove alt. Pulley 3829387 which is set up for the keyway....so is the fan.
I have a 1967 #693 alternator in the basement with the fan and 387 pulley which I believe is original and it is exactly as you describe above.

IMO it's correct for your car, there may have been another application for the part which used a keyway.
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This is the GM alternator pulley listed for the L79, it does not have a machined keyway in it.
Alternator Pulley - 3 5/8" O.D.
Paragon Number: 1651
GM Part Number: 3829387
Alternator pulley, 3 5/8" O.D., zinc plated. Part #3829387 and code AI as original.
Usage: 1965-69 & 1971 as follows 1965-68 w/327 Sp.Hi.Perf. and hyd. lifters. 1965 w/396 Sp.Hi.Perf. 1966 w/427 Sp.Hi.Perf. 1966-69 w/427 exc. P/S, and w/o A/C. 1969 w/H.D. 1971 w/454 Sp.Hi.Perf. exc. P/S.
Years 1965 - 1971
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Good luck... GUSTO
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Originally Posted by GUSTO14
This is the GM alternator pulley listed for the L79, it does not have a machined keyway in it.
Alternator Pulley - 3 5/8" O.D.
Paragon Number: 1651
GM Part Number: 3829387
Alternator pulley, 3 5/8" O.D., zinc plated. Part #3829387 and code AI as original.
Usage: 1965-69 & 1971 as follows 1965-68 w/327 Sp.Hi.Perf. and hyd. lifters. 1965 w/396 Sp.Hi.Perf. 1966 w/427 Sp.Hi.Perf. 1966-69 w/427 exc. P/S, and w/o A/C. 1969 w/H.D. 1971 w/454 Sp.Hi.Perf. exc. P/S.
Years 1965 - 1971
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Good luck... GUSTO
If you do a search on Ebay you will see this Exact part number in NOS with the keyway. This part was made in both configurations by GM.
At this point I believe based on the opinions of a knowledgeable NCRS judge in my area, I need to source the part # 3829387 without the keyway.
The search begins.


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