Mike Terry

In CA. only crooks will have guns and law bidding people will be up a creek without a gun to protect there self or the family. I would not live n CA if they gave me a home and food and what ever else I need to get by on. I will stay right where I am and carry my guns. I buy cars all over the United States and sometimes I carry a lot of cask but I also carry items to protect me if the need comes about. Hopefully it never does but if it does I would be ready for it. How do you protect yourself in CA. from the bad guys who try to rob you or kidnap your family or rape your wife. Tell them to wait till you call the police??? I would rather be caught in a State where I am not allowed to carry a gun then to be caught in a State needing a gun to protect myself or my family and not have a gun when I need it the most. 2nd amendment carry a gun. There are cities in TX where you must carry a gun, it is the law and there is NO CRIME. Why? because everyone knows everyone else is carrying and can protect there self and families so there is no crime. Hopefully I never have to use a gun on anyone but if I would I will have it to protect myself and my family. You can bet just firing a gun near someone that is trying to take your car will do wonders in making them leave with out the car.

ptjsk

LOL!! Not me Mike! I'm not a criminal and I don't steal!

No need for that nonsense!

Best of luck to you, as I hope you never have to exercise that circumstance.

I don't know if you have ever been involved in legal activity, any type of litigation, or any type of criminal defense or not, but a prosecuting attorney would have a field day if you were ever in a situation where you used a firearm.

I would never put on social media what I wouldn't expect to show up in any type of litigation.

Cell phones and social media sites are an incredible resource for gathering information while building a case, or while providing a defense of one as well.

By the way, you're car is beautiful!

Pat

ptjsk

I don't think you meant to say that.

Also, don't fool yourself into thinking the entire State of California is like San Francisco, or Southern CA.

Sure we have politicians who are absolutely ridiculous, but we also have several hundred square miles where law enforcement is led by an elected official (Sheriff). Elected by the residents, not appointed by a governing body.

There are actually several Counties where law abiding citizens can obtain a concealed weapons permit.

Unfortunately, we are bound by many of the nonsense gun laws specific to California, but many of us are still hanging in there.

Now back to the original post.

I sure do feel bad for the individual who lost his car. It absolutely sucks to have your classic stolen!

KENS78SILVERANNIV

A lot of bad information here. You can legally purchase thousands of different types of firearms in CA.
There are more legally purchased firearms protecting more individuals and families in CA than any other State in the U.S.
It's not even close.

KENS78SILVERANNIV

Sorry, but that's incorrect.
You absolutely do not have the "consitutional right to be as well armed as the military." Not even close. You do not have the constitutional right to walk around with a fully automatic machine gun. You do not have the constitutional right to own a fully functioning, armed tank or missile launcher, or rocket propelled grenade launcher.
The 2nd Amendment guarantees your right to bear arms but that does not give you the same rights as the military.

Randy G.

Arms was defined as what can be carried on one's person, so a tank, etc., wouldn't qualify I suppose. But your statement "You absolutely do not have the "constitutional right to be as well armed as the military" could be argued. You do realize the bill of rights specifically places restrictions on the government and not the people, correct?

Randy G.

Just curious. Have you ever lived in CA?

Here's a map of conceal carry counties in California. I live in a green one, and I don't go anywhere without it (and I'm not talking about the map).

Frankie the Fink

Some valid points....there are two types of car thieves in my mind when it comes to classic cars:

1) punks who want a joy ride, and,
2) all out pros

The first type you MIGHT catch in the act but killing somebody over a property crime doesn't play well with a jury; particularly if the perps are young and foolish....you'll prob get your car back in OK to messed up shape. If you maim or kill the thief in a non-life threatening confrontation you will be selling the car anyway for legal costs.

The second type are ghosts; they will take your car and be gone and odds are you will never see it again or, if so, just a scrap or two....you won't get a chance to shoot these guys.

In either case pleading you just HAD to shoot a car thief when you have the vehicle insured out the aZZ isn't gonna win you a popularity contest. 50% of people are already pizzed off at you for being wealthy enough to own a classic Corvette (maybe two). And then you shot somebody over a toy, something you don't need for your livelihood or health ? Yeah - good luck with that.

I've had a CCW for longer than some here have been alive in states all up and down the East Coast.... I've lugged along wheelguns and bottom feeders from every top manufacturer that comes to mind. Enjoy your braggadocio (I think its dangerous from a legal standpoint) but keep your head on straight and don't think because you're an old man you won't get charged like anybody else and get sentenced the same way.

There are probably more instances of justified and unjustified shootings in Florida than any other place I've lived.

Unless somebody is going to hurt myself or family I'm not gonna take a chance on being in prison at 65 years old and wearing a strapless gown and high heels for Bubba or some drug kingpin...

And if you get past the criminal charges there is always the civil suit ... that can be as bad or worse...

So all you chest-thumpers take note....queue the Texans now to tell us they can shoot people over property crimes...

/rant

kolsen911

There's a program on TV call "Person of Interest". The hero always shoots people in the knee. I've wondered why Police don't train to do the same. I know you have to be fairly close to do that, but you have to be fairly close with a pistol anyway.

Geralds57

I really feel for this guy. I had my new dually truck stolen in 1990 in Knoxville at the spring Corvette show. Checked into the hotel and in less than 30 minutes, it was gone. Called the police and the cop that showed up couldn't have cared less. Almost every tool I owned was in it. They never found it. Insurance paid off after 30 days in case it's found but it was a huge hassle. I wouldn't shoot someone trying to steal it unless he's in my house, then he's dead meat.

Frankie the Fink

Because that cowboy BS belongs in the movies. In a stressful, high adrenaline situation the first thing that goes are fine motor skills and tunnel vision starts. Many times its dark or dusk, both parties in motion and innocent bystanders involved.

You should research the stats on police officers completely missing people multiple times from just a few feet away. The typical encounter and what most train for is the 21 foot engagement. Any closer and there is a chance the other guy can disarm you...from a holstered position.

Any self-defense class will teach a double-tap to the center of body mass...

KENS78SILVERANNIV

Looks good in the movies. Unfortunately there are cases of law enforcement officers unintentionally killing their own partners while trying to "wing" somebody or shoot them in the knee.
Bullets have ricocheted and actually killed bystanders and other police officers.
Suspects with multiple wounds in the extremities have been known to overpower police officers. Not a good tactic.
Much more efficient to aim for maximum body mass with vital organs. Don't fire the gun unless you mean to kill someone. Period.

ptjsk

This really is a joke right?

Try to take out the legs of criminals who are shooting at you with all intentions to kill you???

Can't be serious!

vettebuyer6369

At the academy range they teach you to fill the 8x14 center mass box until the threat is eliminated. If you take your firearm out of your holster, you are prepared to shoot to kill, period. Shooting in the knee or "winging" people is a cartoon activity seen in movies and TV.

Not only will you miss, but you will kill the lady with the stroller 10 yards behind your target.

vettebuyer6369

You have every right to your opinion, but I think you are parroting arguments gun control people around you are saying and you might need to think about them. Check some facts and reconsider:

"No one is trying to take your guns away" -during the election the losing candidate not only promoted this idea more than once, she stated that the Australian method of gun confiscation was something the US should look at. Look it up. Her old boss agreed with her, as did many on that side.

"Or make it illegal to have one" - not only did that same candidate look at every avenue to do just that, she and her predecessor wanted to block ammo purchases, make it impossible to legally make transactions with all sorts of overregulation and when Justice Scalia died, she stated her intent to overturn as much legal gun ownership as possible, including going after the Heller decision and the Second Amendment itself. Please read her record and those who supported her.

"All the so called gun control laws..."- " all" is a patently false descriptor of the laws and painfully easy to disprove.

"Limit assault weapons" - a favorite term of the anti gun crowd. Tell us what you think an assault weapon is.

"No one needs automatic weapons"- those of us that actually know what automatic weapons are, know they are illegal.

"No way the Constitution gets amended" - again, look at the landscape before the election. The Antigun candidate was salivating at restocking a new majority at the SCOTUS and doing precisely that.

Respectfully, your entire paragraph is a summary of the Antigun crowd's most easily destroyed arguments used against those that don't know better. Ridiculously easy.

kolsen911

My point was simply that those who have the duty to carry weapons and protect us civilians, and are required to practice should attempt to shoot at the legs, which a lot of the time is a big target as well. If you are being shot AT, that may be a different story. Ex-Army guys know better than me, ex-Navy.

GTOguy

All due respect, this is simply not realistic. As others have stated, if a situation degrades to the point where a gun is drawn and a threat needs to be stopped, the prudent thing for everybody's safety is to stop the threat. That means a center mass shot that can be made quickly and safely where bystanders are concerned. Shoot the legs? Hell, you might as well take it up a notch and ask the police to simply shoot the knife or gun out of the aggressor's hand!

ptjsk

Gotta love the green Randy!

Great map! I'll have to save this one!

Pat

Solid327

Did you think about "buying" the top "back"? The insurance paid you for it so you wouldn't have been out of pocket I assume. Once in hand and if original ownership could definitely be established, you might be able to convince the local prosecutor to file charges. If not, then possibly a civil action could be brought against the seller where t he burden of proof is less. I'd have a tough time letting that one go.

ptjsk

By the time I found the top on Craig's list, several months had already passed.

Fortunately, soon after we got our car back, a friend had come across one and purchased it. He offered it to me for the same price he paid for it, which was very nice!

So I had already replaced the top. Still though.......very tough not to go take it back!!

Pat