350 crate engine blows white smoke
#1
Burning Brakes
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350 crate engine blows white smoke
64 with Muncie. Engine has less than 100 miles on it. It's blowing a lot of white smoke out of the right side (passenger) pipe only and really only noticeable at throttle liftoff with clutch out. No distinct smells. My side pipe on that side has some soot after only driving home from the shop. Last time I drove it it overheated and boiled coolant.
A quick internet search revealed it could be head gasket, intake gasket, or even cracked block. Any ideas on diagnosis of which it is?
A quick internet search revealed it could be head gasket, intake gasket, or even cracked block. Any ideas on diagnosis of which it is?
Last edited by Lou64; 09-03-2016 at 08:04 PM.
#4
Melting Slicks
Was it a short block that you dressed with your carb?
Check plugs on that side if black and sooty could a a too rich situation.
Check plugs on that side if black and sooty could a a too rich situation.
#6
Burning Brakes
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Revised original post to mention that it is only noticeable when lifting off the throttle with clutch out.
Last edited by Lou64; 09-03-2016 at 08:06 PM.
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Burning Brakes
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Melting Slicks
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Drifting
Before you get too deep into testing stuff, take a look at your engine oil. If it looks like mayonnaise (on the dipstick, oil fill, etc.), it has water mixed with it and ought to be changed before rotating the engine.
Take a look at your coolant level -- is it in the normal range or is some missing after you refilled it from overheating? Again, this may be a sign of loss. There are coolant testers for combustion (something like http://www.nationaltoolwarehouse.com...or-P58326.aspx).
What does your spark plugs look like? Does one or more look steam cleaned compared to the others? In other words, are several spark plugs brown and one or more clean? Coolant leaking into the cylinder will wash the spark plug clean.
If the above are OK, then I'd check compression.
FWIW, it is possible to leak coolant without it showing on a compression test, yet still be burned in the combustion process (like a head crack or a bolt / manifold / etc. leaking coolant).
FWIW. YMMV.
-- Joe
Take a look at your coolant level -- is it in the normal range or is some missing after you refilled it from overheating? Again, this may be a sign of loss. There are coolant testers for combustion (something like http://www.nationaltoolwarehouse.com...or-P58326.aspx).
What does your spark plugs look like? Does one or more look steam cleaned compared to the others? In other words, are several spark plugs brown and one or more clean? Coolant leaking into the cylinder will wash the spark plug clean.
If the above are OK, then I'd check compression.
FWIW, it is possible to leak coolant without it showing on a compression test, yet still be burned in the combustion process (like a head crack or a bolt / manifold / etc. leaking coolant).
FWIW. YMMV.
-- Joe
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If it's a crate motor it should be under warranty. Just call and have it replaced....don't mess with it. Start fresh.
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If it was overheated warranty is not valid.
White smoke is coolant. Sorry.
Did it smoke before your overheat?
When you overheat the head will expand and crush your head gasket in the hot areas.
You can measure the crush with a mic. You also usually find the head bolts loose around the crush. If the heads are not damaged new gaskets fix you right up.
Why did it overheat? You don't want to fix it a third time so best to fix the problem before the new start up.
Any engine shop will check for overheat on a warranty tear down, you can't hide the evidence.
White smoke is coolant. Sorry.
Did it smoke before your overheat?
When you overheat the head will expand and crush your head gasket in the hot areas.
You can measure the crush with a mic. You also usually find the head bolts loose around the crush. If the heads are not damaged new gaskets fix you right up.
Why did it overheat? You don't want to fix it a third time so best to fix the problem before the new start up.
Any engine shop will check for overheat on a warranty tear down, you can't hide the evidence.
#12
Mayonnaise? When my daughter's faithful 300,000 original mile '84 BMW started blowing white smoke I thought "head gasket". Pulled the dipstick, looked like peanut butter clinging to it. Maybe different coolant and oil brands affect the color?
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Drifting
That engine is too cheap to pay the money to open up...agree with "warranty swap" and move on...maybe get something with a little more oomph since you are there anyway...
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If it only "smokes" on the coast, clutch engaged, then it might be sucking it into an intake port from a crossover coolant port in the intake during high vacuum periods.
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^^^This. Sucking coolant on high vacuum situations. If engine oil is clean, probably an intake issue. And, no, white smoke is NEVER an indicator of a rich fuel air mixture. Not on this planet, anyway!
#18
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Plug looks more like carbon fouling, you sure your smoke is not blue?
#6 could just be a valve stem seal or intake gasket issue. Much easier change than installing a new engine.
What caused your overheat and how hot did it get?
#6 could just be a valve stem seal or intake gasket issue. Much easier change than installing a new engine.
What caused your overheat and how hot did it get?
#19
Burning Brakes
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It looks more like metal shavings to me, and if you look closely the base is covered with oil too.